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On the way to Schuman, four Catalans getting on the train in Herent already.
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Phlegmish posted:On the way to Schuman, four Catalans getting on the train in Herent already. There were a whole bunch in Bruges yesterday. So either they took a city trip along with their protesting or they really did book all the hotels in Belgium.
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nimby posted:There were a whole bunch in Bruges yesterday. So either they took a city trip along with their protesting or they really did book all the hotels in Belgium. 
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Dec 7, 2017 11:51
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Looks like a fair bunch of Catalans turned up. https://twitter.com/sanjinbuzo/status/938717044576587778 The latest polls for the December 21 elections appear to suggest that the separatists' majority in the parliament of the autonomous community of Catalonia is hanging by a thread though. https://twitter.com/elperiodico/status/938649513643925504
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Dec 7, 2017 12:07
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Shibawanko posted:What kind of psychopathic, self-absorbed freak becomes a politician for a leftist party without knowing the slightest thing about why people would want to vote for a leftist party and what's expected of a leftist party. They live in ivory towers, surrounded exclusively by orthodox economists and other lobbyists for the rich, so they end up genuinely convinced that the best way to help the poor is to gut welfare to afford tax cuts on the rich. These people are utterly and completely cut from reality.
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Martin Schulz of all people proposes a new EU Constitutional Treaty, proposing to pass it through the most surefire way of blowing up the EU that anyone could think of: https://twitter.com/MartinSchulz/status/938748811375271936
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Pluskut Tukker posted:Martin Schulz of all people proposes a new EU Constitutional Treaty, proposing to pass it through the most surefire way of blowing up the EU that anyone could think of: * checks calendar * We're not April 1st?
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Pluskut Tukker posted:Martin Schulz of all people proposes a new EU Constitutional Treaty, proposing to pass it through the most surefire way of blowing up the EU that anyone could think of: P sure he also thinks Trump declaring Jerusalem to be Israel's capital was a good long-term political move lol.
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Pluskut Tukker posted:Martin Schulz of all people proposes a new EU Constitutional Treaty, proposing to pass it through the most surefire way of blowing up the EU that anyone could think of: So Schulz is a undercover agent of Farrage? Who knew?
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Shibawanko posted:I can not understand this. Are these people autistic or something? Do they live in a different universe? They are universally hated but will still toot their own horn and seem genuinely confused about why Rutte-II was not considered the greatest government ever. What kind of psychopathic, self-absorbed freak becomes a politician for a leftist party without knowing the slightest thing about why people would want to vote for a leftist party and what's expected of a leftist party. When the steppe-born Mongols took over Bejing-China and became the new ruling class, there was a (probably justified) fear that the Mongols would lose their edge and become soft and weak and be conquered in turn. For this reason it was mandated that they should spend half the year in pampered palace luxury and half the year on hard steppes. Likewise, if you spend too long doing palace intrigue in the Hague, you lose your edge. If you compromise too much on all social policy you will genuinely be confused when the people who depend on those social policies (or ideologically agree with them) are mad at you. Out of sight, out of mind. What I'm saying is all politicians should spend half the year on the freezing Mongolian grass seas.
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Pluskut Tukker posted:Martin Schulz of all people proposes a new EU Constitutional Treaty, proposing to pass it through the most surefire way of blowing up the EU that anyone could think of: loving lol I'm a European federalist and I think this is dumb as hell. Make a federalized EU core if you want with the rest of the EU hanging on like transition regions that preserve the status quo or something, but telling people they'll be booted out if they disagree is an excellent way to perpetuate the EU stereotypes ffs. Is the idea that people would gamble to rather be inside the new EU than outside of it? Because I don't think people would gamble to be a part of a federal EU without knowing beforehand which other countries would even be in it
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Schulz is far overdue from realizing that no one likes him and that he should just retire in peace.
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When I said I want the EU to be more democratic, I didn't mean more democratic. Have you talked to an average voter lately?
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Deltasquid posted:Is the idea that people would gamble to rather be inside the new EU than outside of it? Because I don't think people would gamble to be a part of a federal EU without knowing beforehand which other countries would even be in it
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Namarrgon posted:When the steppe-born Mongols took over Bejing-China and became the new ruling class, there was a (probably justified) fear that the Mongols would lose their edge and become soft and weak and be conquered in turn. For this reason it was mandated that they should spend half the year in pampered palace luxury and half the year on hard steppes. I'm trying to think what the closest equivalent to the freezing Mongolian grass seas we have is. Rottumerplaat perhaps?
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Pluskut Tukker posted:I'm trying to think what the closest equivalent to the freezing Mongolian grass seas we have is. Rottumerplaat perhaps?
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A Buttery Pastry posted:I think the labor equivalent is making politicians work as line-workers in a factory. A what-ory? We're in the Europe thread, here, not the China thread. Make them take care of some old people in a small rural village, where taking care of old people is the only job remaining.
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Cat Mattress posted:A what-ory? We're in the Europe thread, here, not the China thread.
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Have politicians work night shifts in healthcare, as mailmen or as construction workers.
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nimby posted:Have politicians work night shifts in healthcare, as mailmen or as construction workers.
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we could put them to work as bus drivers for a while. Force them to see their constituency on a daily basis.
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double nine posted:we could put them to work as bus drivers for a while. Force them to see their constituency on a daily basis. I think folk down in Venezuela can attest that being a bus driver doesn't make you a competent government leader.
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:When I said I want the EU to be more democratic, I didn't mean more democratic. Have you talked to an average voter lately?
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Zudgemud posted:While it makes some sense to punish severe violators of common EU treaties etc with restricted voting, veto and payouts, it would probably also be impossible to implement in the current framework. The amazing thing about politics is that it's perfectly possible to make possible things that are not currently possible. A Buttery Pastry posted:Healthcare and construction is out of the question, that's skilled labor. I've known 2 mailmen. Both were not born in this country and both worked their asses off and sacrificed a shitton to give their children a chance to get a university degree and get the opportunities they never had. Both died before age 65. I got a hell of a lot more respect for these men then I'll ever have for 99% of politicians. MiddleOne posted:Schulz is far overdue from realizing that no one likes him and that he should just retire in peace. I got a challenge for this thread. Name a single social-democrat politician of the last 20 years who is well liked. Orange Devil fucked around with this message at 20:32 on Dec 7, 2017 |
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Orange Devil posted:I've known 2 mailmen. Both were not born in this country and both worked their asses off and sacrificed a shitton to give their children a chance to get a university degree and get the opportunities they never had. Both died before age 65. I got a hell of a lot more respect for these men then I'll ever have for 99% of politicians.
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Pluskut Tukker posted:Martin Schulz of all people proposes a new EU Constitutional Treaty, proposing to pass it through the most surefire way of blowing up the EU that anyone could think of: Martin Schultz has a better chance of riding a rainbow-tailed unicorn off to loving Narnia than getting that anywhere near done. On the other hand, I would like some of what he's smoking or snorting. Sounds awesome.
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Junior G-man posted:Martin Schultz has a better chance of riding a rainbow-tailed unicorn off to loving Narnia than getting that anywhere near done. Well, he's negotiating with Merkel about forming a coalition now.
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Surely the future of the EU is a federal state, and surely some member states will be reluctant to be a part of that. I wonder if what comes from Brexit will be a blueprint for a two speed Europe? That would be my hope anyway.
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Orange Devil posted:I got a challenge for this thread. Name a single social-democrat politician of the last 20 years who is well liked. Jeremy Corbyn Also like all the gutless third-way Social Democrats of the early 2000's were extremely popular, at their time. In fact detrimentally so to most of their parties when the tides started turning on being a social democrat in anything but name.
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Deltasquid posted:loving lol I'm a European federalist and I think this is dumb as hell. I mean, let's be real, if Europe is to get ANYWHERE you pretty much have to kick Poland and Hungary out, at least.
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Orange Devil posted:I've known 2 mailmen. Both were not born in this country and both worked their asses off and sacrificed a shitton to give their children a chance to get a university degree and get the opportunities they never had. Both died before age 65. I got a hell of a lot more respect for these men then I'll ever have for 99% of politicians. I take it the working situation under the ludicrous privatized postal system there hasn't improved any then.
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I wonder what a democratically voted for convention to write a EU constitution would look like - I doubt the Social Democrats would like the result, given current voting trends. Not that I give the whole idea any credibility, it's just some opium for the SPD delegates and seems to have done its job but stillt.
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Junior G-man posted:Who the gently caress cares about random man Ferdi Deville? a)found it a pretty hot take b)he's assistant prof at centre for european studies in ghent so you'd think he'd know better
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double nine posted:
That's stupid. That's incredibly, widely, thickly, profoundly stupid. If that's the plan, you create a new thing. Let's call that the European Union Treaty Organization, or EUTO. The EUTO becomes one more thing inside the EU, like the Eurozone; in fact it can be made a subset of the Eurozone. EUTO countries do their thing, and hopefully they make it good enough that the rest of the EU countries want to join. Just like they wanted to join the EU in the first place when they were outside. You do not make it a blackmail attempt. Multispeed Europe is the key. It's a good thing and it's extremely desirable because there are strong disparities between European Union countries and wanting to get them all on the same page is a loving nightmare, as we have seen with how the euro is managed for example. So you get a multi-tiered system which encourages nations to reach the higher tier, but all in due time, at their own rhythm and speed, and without coercion, and it's no problem if they don't reach it. We kind of already have that anyway, with the EFTA, the EFTA-EEA, the Union proper, the Eurozone, the Schengen area, special opt-outs for some countries, special exemptions for outermost territories, and so on and so forth. Thinking some more about Schultz's delirium, it seems to be a negotiation tactic for a coalition government. Publicly demand something outlandish to force the CDU-CSU to offer a compromise in exchange for dropping it. Cat Mattress fucked around with this message at 23:37 on Dec 7, 2017 |
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Orange Devil posted:I got a challenge for this thread. Name a single social-democrat politician of the last 20 years who is well liked. Is Margrethe Vestager a social-democrat?
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"Orange Devil" posted:I got a challenge for this thread. Name a single social-democrat politician of the last 20 years who is well liked. Louis Tobback?
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fishmech posted:I take it the working situation under the ludicrous privatized postal system there hasn't improved any then. At least mailmen aren't "independent contractors" (read: employee without benefits) anymore, afaik. Walh Hara posted:Is Margrethe Vestager a social-democrat? I don't know, tell us about her. Also according to UK press Corbyn is a communist so surely he can't count as a social democrat. Orange Devil fucked around with this message at 09:50 on Dec 8, 2017 |
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