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Dec 7, 2017 18:41
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dexefiend posted:How are flamer Aggressors doing at their new points cost? If they are either in a Repulsor or Raven Guard, they're great. If they are not they are pretty bad.
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Dec 7, 2017 18:42
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Pendent posted:Seriously, why bother doing this when it can just be 4 heavy flamers instead? more wounds to eat overwatch, more attacks with the Red Thirst bonus when they get in, unless you've stocked the squad up with bolter guys past the min squad requirements but yeah, works just as good with a pile of heavy flamer devs mango sentinel posted:For some reason I thought for sure Erebus had become a daemon. he was still flesh and blood when he led the word bearers element of the 13th Black Crusade afaik
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Dec 7, 2017 18:42
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Uroboros posted:-Sex Cannon has a band, and was late for a show because he is more dedicated to 40k. This is proper priority placement. He probably told me he has a band, I just forgot, his life beyond 40k is irrelevant...except maybe his lifting habits. Just so ya know, I will be at Adepticon. We can talk about lifting instead of anime this time.
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Dec 7, 2017 18:44
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zeal posted:there's nothing garbo about a flamer+heavy flamer blood angels tactical squad charging from 8" or less after a 9" disembark and move from a rhino, raven, land raider etc. Literally every model and option you listed is overpriced inefficient garbage.
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Dec 7, 2017 18:44
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Naramyth posted:Literally every model and option you listed is overpriced inefficient garbage. they're what i've got, and they've done good fuckin work in 8th
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Dec 7, 2017 18:49
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The Sex Cannon posted:Just so ya know, I will be at Adepticon. We can talk about lifting instead of anime this time. He's just sad because Campbell is the cute one. Don't worry Uroboros, because I will be there.
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Dec 7, 2017 18:50
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mango sentinel posted:For some reason I thought for sure Erebus had become a daemon. It's part of the tragic joke about Erebus and Kor Phaeron: Chaos doesn't really give a poo poo about them or their ambitions, it only used them to get at the real prize of Lorgar.
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Dec 7, 2017 18:51
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Zaphod42 posted:That was less Ahriman and more Tzeentch. And no, that was the whole point. Tzeentch was already loving over the 1k sons and turning them all to chaos spawn. Ahriman was trying to save them from tzeentch warp mutation; and he did. Even if Magnus could reverse it, they'd still be hosed. Although, as I recall at one point during the leadup to 8th ed, Ynnari was shown to be powerful enough to reverse that and make them into actual flesh and blood marines again. And then promptly evicted them out of the part of the webway they were in much to Ahriman's anger who scrambled to try to save them. Don't think its been explored what happened beyond that point.
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Dec 7, 2017 18:56
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dexefiend posted:How are flamer Aggressors doing at their new points cost? Considering now they cost the same as boltstorm aggressors instead of being cheaper I wouldn't think they compare too well.
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Dec 7, 2017 18:57
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Zuul the Cat posted:
As per The Crimson King , when Russ hosed Magnus's poo poo up, his soul split into shards, each an independent entity with the all the memories of Magnus and a portion of his powers. Each shard represents a different aspect of is personality, one is a scholar, one is Magnus at his most warlike and on Nikea the shard that repented his hope for the future, and so on. All shards were reclaimed and reintegrated into the largest piece, the bit that ended up on the planet of the sorcerers after Magnus's GTFO maneuver. All except one, the one that was basically Magnus's moral compass, or goodness. That one was trapped in the imperial palace (and later merged with a legionnaire to create the first grey Knight grand master). The end result is a daemon primarch with almost all of his primarchy powers, but utterly bereft of compassion.
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Dec 7, 2017 19:10
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Groetgaffel posted:As per The Crimson King , when Russ hosed Magnus's poo poo up, his soul split into shards, each an independent entity with the all the memories of Magnus and a portion of his powers. Each shard represents a different aspect of is personality, one is a scholar, one is Magnus at his most warlike and on Nikea the shard that repented his hope for the future, and so on. All shards were reclaimed and reintegrated into the largest piece, the bit that ended up on the planet of the sorcerers after Magnus's GTFO maneuver. This is the good poo poo right here (and real sad). Lmao, Fulgrim somehow looks worse as a daemon than he did as a normal primarch.
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Dec 7, 2017 19:22
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Zuul the Cat posted:This is the good poo poo right here (and real sad). Its worth noting that contrary to what was said earlier Lorgar isn't actually any bigger as a daemon prince, he just has a crown of horns now and is hands down the most powerful of all servants of chaos.
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Dec 7, 2017 19:26
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Is this even dumber than the article about stratagems that I posted? http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2017/12/40k-the-great-painting-matched-play-debate.html Bell of Lost Souls bright light "Stormy" suggests various gameplay penalties for people with unpainted models, because painted models help bring people into the hobby (?). And there's nothing like harsh, arbitrary penalties for aesthetic faults to draw in new players! My favorite part is when he proudly announces that he uses AT LEAST five colors on all his models, because as we know the number of colors used corresponds exactly to the artistic quality of the model.
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Dec 7, 2017 19:41
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Gilgameshback posted:Is this even dumber than the article about stratagems that I posted? He's not wrong that painted models help bring people into the hobby. When I'm playing in store there are a lot more random people asking me about the hobby / my army than the other people playing with grey plastic. He's an idiot for thinking there should be gameplay penalties for unpainted models.
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Dec 7, 2017 19:43
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Gilgameshback posted:Is this even dumber than the article about stratagems that I posted?  And 5 colors? My black recipe alone uses five colors when you factor in highlights and poo poo. 
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Dec 7, 2017 19:44
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Stupid Newbie: How the hell does one go about picking war gear for a unit? I've got 17 options for my Plague Marines and that feels like 14 too many for someone who has only played a few games. If I'm going to run 3x 5-man squads, should one squad get a bunch of Plasmas, another squad get some Plague guns, another squad go hard on the Melee weapons? Edit: Oh, and how do I know if I can only run 1 of something? At first I thought that's what the Character keyword was, but that's not the case. Can I, for example, run multiple Tallyman? Sab669 fucked around with this message at 19:48 on Dec 7, 2017 |
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Dec 7, 2017 19:46
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Playing unpainted is its own penalty.
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Dec 7, 2017 19:46
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mango sentinel posted:Are all the surviving Chaos Primarchs Daemon Princes? Is Abaddon the only high ranking Chaos mortal in 40k? Omegon is probably still human but nobody knows  zeal posted:unless omegon survived the heresy, probably on the first part. on the second part erebus, kharn, ahriman, fabius and a fair few other important heretic characters are still kicking around as mortals. plus the additions to their rogues gallery since then, like huron blackheart. this is true of the legions that never fully withdrew into the Eye though, like the night lords and alpha legion. without the time fuckery of life inside a warp rift, their heresy-era characters have all been gotten by time or enemy attrition Yeah, but Kharn and Ahriman and Fabius ain't primarchs.
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Dec 7, 2017 19:55
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Sab669 posted:
It will explicitly say on the datasheet. "You can only include one of this model in your army" or something similar, the top most sentences where it describes unit sizes on a data sheet.
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Dec 7, 2017 19:55
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Artum posted:Its worth noting that contrary to what was said earlier Lorgar isn't actually any bigger as a daemon prince, he just has a crown of horns now and is hands down the most powerful of all servants of chaos. Size matters not.
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Dec 7, 2017 19:57
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Sab669 posted:Stupid Newbie: How the hell does one go about picking war gear for a unit? I've got 17 options for my Plague Marines and that feels like 14 too many for someone who has only played a few games. https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Death_Guard(8E) quote:Now, these guys have a massive array of options that let you gear them for specific purposes. 2 per squad can take either a Plasma Gun, Meltagun, Blight Launcher (which is a Plague Weapon, remember), Plague Belcher (plague flamer), or Plague Spewer (plague heavy flamer). 2 more can take either a Great Plague Cleaver (basically a plague Power Fist with D1d6) or a Flail of Corruption (S+2 AP-2 D2, makes D3 hit rolls per attack, damage rolls over between models, plague). YET two more can take a Bubotic Axe (plague Power Axe) and Mace of Contagion (plague Power Maul with D3, -1 To Hit, and plague). ANY of the other non-Champion models can lose the Boltgun for either a Bubotic Axe or a second Plague Knife. The Champ retains very few of his options, namely Bolt Pistol, Plasma Pistol, Plasma Gun (!), Plague Sword, and Power Fist. With all this, the unit is extremely flexible, able to be geared for melee or for range. Some of the simplest options include: 5 with 2 Blight Launchers and 2 Flails, 5 with 3 Plasma Guns and 2 Cleavers, 5 with 2 Plague Belchers and 2 Flails. Then go check out the wargear section for a description of which of those are better at what. But basically choose to make a squad that's either more shooty or more smashy or a medium hybrid, then make sure you play that unit to its strengths. Probably take a few squads and kit them out different and use them in different roles, or maybe kit them the same and try to use them the same. Strategy! The freedom / choice can be very overwhelming though, yeah. When in doubt: Do what looks coolest But yeah, one plasma, one plague, and one melee sounds pretty sensible to me. Thing is, do you have anti-armor? If no, you def need those plasmas. But if you have some other unit to fill that role, you could do something like double melee or double plague instead. Its about what other units you have more than anything. You want your overall army list to be round enough to handle whatever comes at you. If you're entirely focused on fighting hoard armies, for instance, then when you go up against Gulliman or Grey Knights or IDK loving land raiders or something you're gonna have trouble. So you want to cover all bases. Basically the only things you can only run 1 of are explicitly named dudes, like Girlyman or Mortarion or Dante. It'll say "you can only have 1 <x> in your army". Character means they're on their own and allowed to do cool poo poo without having to stick with a unit. And they have to be a character to get warlord traits. So yeah, you can have multiple Tallymen. Or multiple Plague Priests or whatever they're called. Zaphod42 fucked around with this message at 20:05 on Dec 7, 2017 |
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Dec 7, 2017 19:59
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Zuul the Cat posted:This is the good poo poo right here (and real sad).  More sexy snakes plz
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Dec 7, 2017 20:04
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Lord_Hambrose posted:
Did someone say sexy snakes? Stylistically I actually kinda love this model. Its from WFB but I got one for use in 40k anyways as a Slaanesh Lord, although I'll probably never actually field him:  not really NSFW but almost so I guess I'll spoil tag this just in case.Very different from all the other chaos lords in appearance. The trojan helm, the polearm instead of sword, the samurai style back-banner-flag, etc. Could probably do without the snaketits but... slaanesh gonna slaanesh.
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Dec 7, 2017 20:07
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Sab669 posted:Stupid Newbie: How the hell does one go about picking war gear for a unit? I've got 17 options for my Plague Marines and that feels like 14 too many for someone who has only played a few games. Unless stated otherwise you can use as many of Thing as you have Slots that Thing fits into. As to weapons, think about what role you want that squad to fulfil. In their previous incarnations I would use three teams of seven (Nurgle's holy number) men. One squad carried two plasmaguns each and nothing special on the champion. While the other two had some combination of meltaguns or flamers alongside a plasmagunner, an Icon, and their champions were armed with power fists. The double plasma squad would hold the home objective and focus on ranged fire, while the other two were all-rounders, with the fist for armoured targets and swapping in either the flamer or melta depending on the type of enemy I'd see. They would ride around in Rhinos looking for trouble. The new book changes Plague Marine options hugely, and like you I found it rather overwhelming to begin with. But it boils down to the same thing as before, pick a roll for the squad and arm them for it. Although, with a little more room for flexibility now. Case in point, the option of taking a plasmagun on the champion is a huge boost. I'm painting a new DG army (using my old models until I can replace them) and the first squad is probably going to be all-rounders: Seven Plague Marines -Champ w/ Plasmagun, powerfist -Icon of Despair -Plasmagun -Blight launcher or meltagun Maybe a fancy combat weapon. If I wanted an assault team I'd go with a meltagun, plague belcher, and some of the fancy combat options.
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Dec 7, 2017 20:20
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Gilgameshback posted:Is this even dumber than the article about stratagems that I posted? I can see penalties for tournaments for playing with unpainted models. But not for casual play. I've also heard of slow-grow leagues where painted models effectively have preferred enemy against unpainted models.
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Dec 7, 2017 20:22
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Floppychop posted:I've also heard of slow-grow leagues where painted models effectively have preferred enemy against unpainted models. Yeah I've heard that houserule crop up here and there amongst podcast and thread discussions about that.
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Dec 7, 2017 20:38
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Groetgaffel posted:As per The Crimson King , when Russ hosed Magnus's poo poo up, his soul split into shards, each an independent entity with the all the memories of Magnus and a portion of his powers. Each shard represents a different aspect of is personality, one is a scholar, one is Magnus at his most warlike and on Nikea the shard that repented his hope for the future, and so on. All shards were reclaimed and reintegrated into the largest piece, the bit that ended up on the planet of the sorcerers after Magnus's GTFO maneuver. This continues into 'present day' 40k as well, being a fairly large part of the third Ahriman book. Having different shards trying to out do the other via proxy champions.
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Dec 7, 2017 20:41
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Gilgameshback posted:Is this even dumber than the article about stratagems that I posted? I use five different loving colours painting bone. What I don't do is get lovely with people and demand advantages for being a reasonable painter, because I don't spend my time huffing my own farts trying to find ways to feel superior to other people as if I'm part of some sort of loving elite for having moderate hand eye co-ordination and my eyes not failing yet. Also what the gently caress is a ninker?
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Dec 7, 2017 20:52
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Zaphod42 posted:Yeah, but Kharn and Ahriman and Fabius ain't primarchs. so what part of "Is Abaddon the only high ranking chaos mortal in 40k?" in that dude's question could you not read
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Dec 7, 2017 20:55
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e: nm found a set vvv These are great! I love the banner TheChirurgeon fucked around with this message at 21:13 on Dec 7, 2017 |
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Dec 7, 2017 21:02
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***Cross-post from the good/dead Warhammer Thread*** In the spirit of me trying to whore myself and to keep the thread alive please see my badly painted wolf space mans.           https://www.instagram.com/bjorn_no_beard30k/?hl=en
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Dec 7, 2017 21:03
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Gilgameshback posted:Is this even dumber than the article about stratagems that I posted? If you're playing in a tournament then I would hope to see painted armies. It's been years since I played at NOVA but I recall Mike having a fairly simple minimum standard that was easy to judge and accept. The second you get beyond a ridiculously easy minimum standard (multiple colors and based) then it becomes bullshit. Personally I feel embarrassed when I field my gray dudes against someone like The Sex Cannon and his nicely painted guard; getting a painted army done was half the reason I chose Primaris. So far I have 5 guys. Don't laugh.
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Dec 7, 2017 21:04
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Artum posted:Its worth noting that contrary to what was said earlier Lorgar isn't actually any bigger as a daemon prince, he just has a crown of horns now and is hands down the most powerful of all servants of chaos. I'm assuming this is because he's the chosen of Chaos Undivided and the first to turn, right? He's the main architect of pretty much the entire heresy? Funny how they make him the most powerful and just lock him away in a tower. Lord_Hambrose posted:
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Dec 7, 2017 21:05
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Zuul the Cat posted:I'm assuming this is because he's the chosen of Chaos Undivided and the first to turn, right? He's the main architect of pretty much the entire heresy? Stanyer89 posted:***Cross-post from the good/dead Warhammer Thread*** Safety Factor fucked around with this message at 21:15 on Dec 7, 2017 |
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Dec 7, 2017 21:13
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Dec 7, 2017 21:18
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Lorgar isn't presented as a bold thinker who takes the Imperium in a brave new direction, he's basically a mark who falls for a scam the Emperor already saw through. The Emperor's plan was (seemingly) to con the conmen, but then Lorgar goes all in on the Nigerian prince's email.
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Dec 7, 2017 21:28
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Thundercloud posted:I use five different loving colours painting bone. What I don't do is get lovely with people and demand advantages for being a reasonable painter, because I don't spend my time huffing my own farts trying to find ways to feel superior to other people as if I'm part of some sort of loving elite for having moderate hand eye co-ordination and my eyes not failing yet. Ooh, I know this one. It is one of the pseudo swear words that Dan Abnett uses in one of his inquisitor books. It is a very comic book thing. This was a particularly bad one...
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Dec 7, 2017 22:32
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zeal posted:so what part of "Is Abaddon the only high ranking chaos mortal in 40k?" in that dude's question could you not read A couple of books have suggested that the likes of Abaddon, Kharn, Ahriman, Typhus, and Lucius have all been offered ascension to daemon prince but they've refused.
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Ninker is actually a word, but yeah, that fucker is absolutely using it in the belief it's in-universe.
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