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pokemon
Dec 1, 2017

by Smythe

Conspiratiorist posted:

toc stop threatening to kill DJT so you don't get banned anymore, I love you.
i'm sorry but i cannot do that. i have been given my mission, and from this broken hill i must sing

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snoo
Jul 5, 2007




i like rats. i love rats. they are my friends

pokemon
Dec 1, 2017

by Smythe
i love them too :(

Squalid
Nov 4, 2008

pokemon posted:

we've got some seriously cute native animals that nobody can be persuaded to care about because scientists are morons and refuse to change their names from what the europeans originally called them; the europeans were extremely bad at naming animals and had zero imagination so these adorable creatures have terrible names like

and everyone wrings their hands and wonders why the public doesn't seem interested in conserving them. i know why the public aren't interested! it's because you're calling them all rats! nobody likes rats! don't even get me started on hare-wallabies and rat-kangaroos and so on, europeans are completely hopeless - of course all these animals have beautiful indigenous names that the scientists would love to use, believe me, it's just that we can't use indigenous names, they're too... indigenous

Good field biologists want to call all of those small mammals unpronounceable latin gobbodly gook and get passively aggressively upset when you try and talk to them in English. Now if you want those critters to get good names try harvesting a few thousand tons of them and get some serious marketing firms involved to sell it to the public like they did with the Patagonian Toothfish aka Chilean Seabass. Though given the decline of that species this may not actually serve your conservation goals. . .

pokemon
Dec 1, 2017

by Smythe
there is exactly one person in the australian conservation scene with marketing credentials

it's me

Ganson
Jul 13, 2007
I know where the electrical tape is!

The Snoo posted:

i like rats. i love rats. they are my friends

I like the ones that don't work in DC.

snoo
Jul 5, 2007




rats are job creators, if you think about it

they contribute more to society than I could ever hope to

Squalid
Nov 4, 2008

pokemon posted:

there is exactly one person in the australian conservation scene with marketing credentials

it's me

Yeah well once you've found a branding that highlights the peculiar bouquet of Conilurus penicillatus call me for the tasting.

Tree Bucket
Apr 1, 2016

R.I.P.idura leucophrys

pokemon posted:

we've got some seriously cute native animals that nobody can be persuaded to care about because scientists are morons and refuse to change their names from what the europeans originally called them; the europeans were extremely bad at naming animals and had zero imagination so these adorable creatures have terrible names like

"stick nest rat"

"brush-tailed rabbit rat"

"common rock rat"

and everyone wrings their hands and wonders why the public doesn't seem interested in conserving them. i know why the public aren't interested! it's because you're calling them all rats! nobody likes rats! don't even get me started on hare-wallabies and rat-kangaroos and so on, europeans are completely hopeless - of course all these animals have beautiful indigenous names that the scientists would love to use, believe me, it's just that we can't use indigenous names, they're too... indigenous

Hah, yeah. There does seem to be a push for reclaiming the name "rakali" over "water rat" at least.

pokemon
Dec 1, 2017

by Smythe
i just don't understand how anyone can refer to something as a rabbit-rat and expect australians to like it

pokemon
Dec 1, 2017

by Smythe
"one of our rarest and most elusive creatures, the mozzie bush oval office"

pokemon
Dec 1, 2017

by Smythe
the most annoying thing is that these pseudo-rats need conservation help more than pretty much any other species on earth (besides like polar bears etc) because they are in what is called the critical weight range, which means they're not only the preferred prey items for every native carnivore but also cats and foxes. that is to say, they are getting completely annihilated right now and going extinct at the rate of like ten species per month. and they're so beautiful and sweet and nobody cares. :(

Slow News Day
Jul 4, 2007

pokemon posted:

"one of our rarest and most elusive creatures, the mozzie bush oval office"

whose rereg are you

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

enraged_camel posted:

whose rereg are you


Honestly you can't tell?

Conspiratiorist
Nov 12, 2015

17th Separate Kryvyi Rih Tank Brigade named after Konstantin Pestushko
Look to my coming on the first light of the fifth sixth some day
He has a very distinct mix of style and content.

Ignatius M. Meen
May 26, 2011

Hello yes I heard there was a lovely trainwreck here and...

Conspiratiorist posted:

He has a very distinct mix of style and content.

She. :colbert: But yes.

pokemon
Dec 1, 2017

by Smythe
like the marsupials, my gender is irrelevant to my purpose

Squalid
Nov 4, 2008

Just as the mackerel’s gender is irrelevant to the porpoise 🐬

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

by Games Forum
Can we just pause for a second and marvel at how that username wasn't taken yet?

Nocturtle
Mar 17, 2007

Not directly climate-change related, but underlines how we're trading away a stable climate for incredibly stupid reasons:

Ars Technica posted:

The skyrocketing value of Bitcoin is leading to soaring energy consumption. According to one widely cited website that tracks the subject, the Bitcoin network is consuming power at an annual rate of 32TWh—about as much as Denmark. By the site's calculations, each Bitcoin transaction consumes 250kWh, enough to power homes for nine days.

Here's one of the studies study mentioned in the article.

Previously I took some comfort thinking massive western over-consumption of energy at least meant large emission reductions were possible without sacrificing too much quality of life. Instead we're discovering new and creative ways to waste energy.

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

Bitcoin is possibly one of the worst human activities for the climate from a values versus harms perspective.

Also, a lot of that electricity is being used in china to mine bitcoins, not the west. So we're mining Australian coal to burn in china to mine bitcoins to drive our fancy ponzi schemes.


edit: drat this comparison puts it in a starker perspective -

quote:

Number of U.S. households powered for 1 day by the electricity consumed for a single transaction 8.44

That's loving unconscionable.

Trabisnikof fucked around with this message at 18:21 on Dec 6, 2017

LLSix
Jan 20, 2010

The real power behind countless overlords

quote:

This is the methodology the Digiconomist website uses to estimate the Bitcoin network's energy consumption. It assumes that the industry will spend 60 percent of its revenue on electricity and then extrapolates from the current bitcoin price and prevailing electricity prices. It finds that the network is consuming energy at an annual rate of 32TWh.

That's... that's not a remotely accurate methodology. That's a description of a wild guess.

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

Their implied 0.296 watts per GH/s appears to be about inline with what I see online with the lowest estimates for high-end rigs at 0.1 watts per GH/s. Even if the entire network was running at that lower watt consumption, we're still talking about consuming more electricity for 1 single transaction as 2 average homes would for a day.

Mat Cauthon
Jan 2, 2006

The more tragic things get,
the more I feel like laughing.



A really long and well-research article on carbon capture that makes it seem even less feasible as a viable solution, or even stop-gap, than it already is:

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/11/20/can-carbon-dioxide-removal-save-the-world?reload=true

Nocturtle
Mar 17, 2007

LLSix posted:

That's... that's not a remotely accurate methodology. That's a description of a wild guess.

It's a pretty reasonable assumption given the major costs of mining are electricity and rapidly depreciating ASICs. It also gets around the complexity of estimating average machine efficiency, impact of bitcoin prices and the general opaqueness of an industry that is essentially scammers grifting other scammers to sell drugs. I don't care about the exact energy expenditure so much as the order of magnitude, and it's pretty plausible bitcoin consumes O(10TWh). This is already pretty damning.

Rap Record Hoarder posted:

A really long and well-research article on carbon capture that makes it seem even less feasible as a viable solution, or even stop-gap, than it already is:

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/11/20/can-carbon-dioxide-removal-save-the-world?reload=true

This was very interesting in a crushingly depressive way. It wasn't mentioned in the article but I've often wondered about the viability of treating Canada + Russia's boreal forests as massive tree farms for the purpose of direct atmospheric CO2 removal via bio-energy + carbon-capture. The scale is large enough, no new technology is needed and those trees are just going to burn down anyway once climate change gets serious. I'm guessing it's not viable until carbon pricing becomes widespread.

VideoGameVet
May 14, 2005

It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion. It is by the juice of Java that pedaling acquires speed, the teeth acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion.
It’s been reported that Rupert Murdoch‘s Bel Air estate just burned down in the Los Angeles fires.

http://thehill.com/homenews/media/363573-report-rupert-murdochs-la-home-burning-down-in-wildfire

The home of 21st Century Fox and Fox News Executive Chairman Rupert Murdoch, located on a vineyard outside of Los Angeles, is "burning down" in Southern California’s wildfires, according to an NBC News report on Wednesday.

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

VideoGameVet posted:

It’s been reported that Rupert Murdoch‘s Bel Air estate just burned down in the Los Angeles fires.

http://thehill.com/homenews/media/363573-report-rupert-murdochs-la-home-burning-down-in-wildfire

The home of 21st Century Fox and Fox News Executive Chairman Rupert Murdoch, located on a vineyard outside of Los Angeles, is "burning down" in Southern California’s wildfires, according to an NBC News report on Wednesday.

Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.

LLSix
Jan 20, 2010

The real power behind countless overlords

Nocturtle posted:

It's a pretty reasonable assumption given the major costs of mining are electricity and rapidly depreciating ASICs. It also gets around the complexity of estimating average machine efficiency, impact of bitcoin prices and the general opaqueness of an industry that is essentially scammers grifting other scammers to sell drugs. I don't care about the exact energy expenditure so much as the order of magnitude, and it's pretty plausible bitcoin consumes O(10TWh). This is already pretty damning.

This whole thing is stupid when there are much more serious problems, so I'm not going to continue after this, but it's really not a reasonable assumption. Why not 80% or 6%? Their total estimate is wildly larger than every previous estimate. And that's not a proper use of big O notation. Big O notation has nothing to do with order of magnitude estimates. It's about growth rates. Big O notation is a mathematical notation that describes the limiting behavior of a function when the argument tends towards infinity.

Getting upset about a thoroughly unscientific claim is not a going to help convince people that think climate change isn't real science to start taking the problem seriously.

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

LLSix posted:

This whole thing is stupid when there are much more serious problems, so I'm not going to continue after this, but it's really not a reasonable assumption. Why not 80% or 6%? Their total estimate is wildly larger than every previous estimate. And that's not a proper use of big O notation. Big O notation has nothing to do with order of magnitude estimates. It's about growth rates. Big O notation is a mathematical notation that describes the limiting behavior of a function when the argument tends towards infinity.

Getting upset about a thoroughly unscientific claim is not a going to help convince people that think climate change isn't real science to start taking the problem seriously.

It's probably the easiest waste of resources to stop. Even using lower estimates, bitcoin is still consuming 200+ GWh a day for nothing. And a lot of that electricity is coal.

shrike82
Jun 11, 2005

People expanding huge and ever-increasing amounts of energy to mine a useless virtual currency seems more a logical end-state of capitalism rather than a weird thing that we should be making hay about.

treerat
Oct 4, 2005
up here so high i start to shake up here so high the sky i scrape
If you want bitcoin to stop wasting energy then you should put a price on carbon. Blockchains don't have to be wasteful, bitcoin is just a stupid primitive living in a world of cheap electricity.

Evil_Greven
Feb 20, 2007

Whadda I got to,
whadda I got to do
to wake ya up?

To shake ya up,
to break the structure up!?
https://twitter.com/washpostbiz/status/938506286622216197
Greater future global warming inferred from Earth’s recent energy budget:

quote:

In particular, we find that the observationally informed warming projection for the end of the twenty-first century for the steepest radiative forcing scenario is about 15 per cent warmer (+0.5 degrees Celsius) with a reduction of about a third in the two-standard-deviation spread (−1.2 degrees Celsius) relative to the raw model projections reported by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. Our results suggest that achieving any given global temperature stabilization target will require steeper greenhouse gas emissions reductions than previously calculated.
I'll take 'Things that aren't going to happen for $100 trillion,' Alex.

Ganson
Jul 13, 2007
I know where the electrical tape is!

blowfish posted:

Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.

Apparently that's what it takes to get Trump to acknowledge a disaster in a blue state.

Slow News Day
Jul 4, 2007


:gizz:

hell yeah, death is coming

Trainee PornStar
Jul 20, 2006

I'm just an inbetweener

enraged_camel posted:

:gizz:

hell yeah, death is coming

On a scale from 1-10, how hosed are we?

ArmTheHomeless
Jan 10, 2003

Trainee PornStar posted:

On a scale from 1-10, how hosed are we?

Depends on who you consider as "we".

Polio Vax Scene
Apr 5, 2009



Trainee PornStar posted:

On a scale from 1-10, how hosed are we?

Slow News Day
Jul 4, 2007

Trainee PornStar posted:

On a scale from 1-10, how hosed are we?

Hopefully 99 million billion

Jackard
Oct 28, 2007

We Have A Bow And We Wish To Use It

Trainee PornStar posted:

On a scale from 1-10, how hosed are we?

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Notorious R.I.M.
Jan 27, 2004

up to my ass in alligators

Trainee PornStar posted:

On a scale from 1-10, how hosed are we?

how old are you and how young is the youngest person you care about

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