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The Puppy Bowl posted:I assume Mr.Pants meant "they're too cheap". Lots of people are pushed out of Portland due to obscene housing costs but Vancoverites tend to be a breed more in the tax cheats vein. If you work in Oregon you still have to pay state income tax, so I am not sure how you think they are getting out of taxes.
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Vancouver is kind of a weird mix right now where you have: 1. rich suburbanites using it as a tax shelter, 2. the working class population that skews right-wing/Trump, and 3. more recently transplants from Portland forced out by rental prices. Basically, it is all of the above and it depends on what neighborhoods you are talking about. That said, even with the gentrifying going on in Portland it is going to be a long time when "the couv" flips. Also, the commute on the i-5 is a nightmare and they really should have at least build the light rail line. A lot of it is also that fundamentally I don't think Portland was ever prepared to be a "big city" the infrastructure in it honestly just it too half assed to make it work without a massive headache. Ardennes fucked around with this message at 22:28 on Nov 30, 2017 |
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Nov 30, 2017 22:24
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Ardennes posted:Vancouver is kind of a weird mix right now where you have: 1. rich suburbanites using it as a tax shelter, 2. the working class population that skews right-wing/Trump, and 3. more recently transplants from Portland forced out by rental prices. Basically, it is all of the above and it depends on what neighborhoods you are talking about. I don't think Portland wants to pay for infrastructure going into Washington, and I know I don't want to pay for poo poo for Vancouver. If Vancouver wants light rail or roads, they should pay for it. Ideally through tolling.
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Thanatosian posted:I don't think Portland wants to pay for infrastructure going into Washington, and I know I don't want to pay for poo poo for Vancouver. Yeah, Vancouverites did screw themselves. Granted, even in Oregon, no one really wants to pay for infrastructure either and it kind of shows.
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Thanatosian posted:I don't think Portland wants to pay for infrastructure going into Washington, and I know I don't want to pay for poo poo for Vancouver. They don't want it. But Portland wants them to have it.
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Everyone should have it.
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Ardennes posted:Yeah, Vancouverites did screw themselves. Granted, even in Oregon, no one really wants to pay for infrastructure either and it kind of shows. Nobody in Oregon wants to pay for anything. What got CRC tanked was actually WA state politics though. It would be like you asked people from Portland to pay for a bridge in Medford that was unpopular in Medford to begin with.
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Except the tl;dr is Portland voted yes, the Fed DOT had earmarked $1.5bn to match the State's contributions and Washington shot back with a proposal that didn't include light rail because "undesirables" might use it... Oops we forgot to CC the USCG and shucks guess that project is cancelled 
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seiferguy posted:Presented without comment:
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6000 sq ft lot? You could shove 2, maybe 3 houses on there! Money making opportunity.
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seiferguy posted:Presented without comment: Hash oil explosion?
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seiferguy posted:Presented without comment: Peachfart posted:6000 sq ft lot? You could shove 2, maybe 3 houses on there! Money making opportunity.
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seiferguy posted:Presented without comment: Nice, walking distance to the Beacon Hill light rail station and very close to Rainier Ave and the I-90 on-ramps. It'd probably be $850k if the house wasn't burned out.
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Chadderbox posted:Nice, walking distance to the Beacon Hill light rail station and very close to Rainier Ave and the I-90 on-ramps. It'd probably be $850k if the house wasn't burned out. Someone in the Seattle thread told me there was no way a 3600 SQ ft house would sell for $850k in that spot.
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HEY NONG MAN posted:Someone in the Seattle thread told me there was no way a 3600 SQ ft house would sell for $850k in that spot. https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sale/48737420_zpid/globalrelevanceex_sort/47.594429,-122.291157,47.57573,-122.328064_rect/14_zm/ Here's a 2040sq ft house for sale 2 blocks away for $698k. Same size lot. Putting lot size aside the only homes I can find above 3500sq ft within a few miles of that area all start at $1.5 million and go up from there.
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People don't understand that housing prices in Seattle go up like crazy each year, and this goes doubly for larger lots or apartments with 2+ bedrooms. Hell, my garbage house in 'downtown' Lynnwood would probably go for 450k with multiple cash offers.
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Wait is 6k sq. ft considered a larger lot up there? Are you figuring anything over a tenth of a acre is large or what?
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It makes your head spin how fast these prices are going up. Normal houses in Shoreline jumped from 350k ish to 500k ish in such a small amount of time.
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Yeah the lot around the corner from me sold for 500k then they immediately tore down the house, split the lot in two and built two free standing homes for $1m each.
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therobit posted:Wait is 6k sq. ft considered a larger lot up there? Are you figuring anything over a tenth of a acre is large or what? Yea, most of Seattle is zoned for 5,000SF lots and there has been A LOT of infill on larger lots that have been short platted. It's hard to tell because SDCI is bad at colors but here's a link to zoning map of the city. http://www.seattle.gov/dpd/Research/gis/webplots/smallzonemap.pdf
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It isn't just seattle either. Parts of south everett/mill creek have bounced back from the sub-prime mortgage crisis and then some. I've talked to some real estate agents about it and nobody knows why it's so hot.
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Freakazoid_ posted:It isn't just seattle either. Parts of south everett/mill creek have bounced back from the sub-prime mortgage crisis and then some. I've talked to some real estate agents about it and nobody knows why it's so hot. Because the low end is completely bought out by developers with cash offers. Gotta live somewhere, hope to roll the dice on a mortgage at 3/4 my income!
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Freakazoid_ posted:It isn't just seattle either. Parts of south everett/mill creek have bounced back from the sub-prime mortgage crisis and then some. I've talked to some real estate agents about it and nobody knows why it's so hot. Everybody knows. People are moving here faster than housing is being built, and PNW real estate is a safe place to park money.
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Peachfart posted:Everybody knows. People are moving here faster than housing is being built, and PNW real estate is a safe place to park money. What we need is to tear down single-family housing, build townhomes, rowhouses, and multiplexes, start taxing non-owner-occupied housing, and start taxing real estate investment. Part of the problem is simple supply and demand, but another (very big) part is the commoditization of housing; housing's primary purpose should be providing shelter, not providing money to rich assholes.
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Thanatosian posted:What we need is to tear down single-family housing, build townhomes, rowhouses, and multiplexes, start taxing non-owner-occupied housing, and start taxing real estate investment. Part of the problem is simple supply and demand, but another (very big) part is the commoditization of housing; housing's primary purpose should be providing shelter, not providing money to rich assholes. I don't disagree, at all. But it is far easier to build more homes than it is to change how housing works. So we should do the first, and work towards the second.
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Thanatosian posted:What we need is to tear down single-family housing, build townhomes, rowhouses, and multiplexes, start taxing non-owner-occupied housing, and start taxing real estate investment. Part of the problem is simple supply and demand, but another (very big) part is the commoditization of housing; housing's primary purpose should be providing shelter, not providing money to rich assholes.
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Cicero posted:Well yes, because the land is valuable even if the burnt out house is not. haha oh man thats a great joke. Jack2142 fucked around with this message at 10:17 on Dec 7, 2017 |
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Not only would it help reduce economic segregation, it would help make the area more transit-friendly too. Win-win!
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The problem with housing, as with 401ks, is that they're the only way to build up enough wealth to be mildly secure so everyone pursues those paths though the vast majority us are hosed over into poverty in the process. I'm not sure how we decouple housing from investment in a way that wouldn't totally devastate the economy. Outside of New Deal like direct action by the federal government.
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The Puppy Bowl posted:The problem with housing, as with 401ks, is that they're the only way to build up enough wealth to be mildly secure so everyone pursues those paths though the vast majority us are hosed over into poverty in the process. I'm not sure how we decouple housing from investment in a way that wouldn't totally devastate the economy. Outside of New Deal like direct action by the federal government. 2. A national pension that works on top of social security that individuals and employers can contribute to. You pay in X dollars, you get Y benefits when retirement age comes around. A simple, safe thing available to everyone with no gimmicks or scamminess.
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Thanatosian posted:I don't think Portland wants to pay for infrastructure going into Washington, and I know I don't want to pay for poo poo for Vancouver.  that you think WA right wingers will ever allow the Crime Train™ to bring filthy poors across the river
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Cicero posted:Not only would it help reduce economic segregation, it would help make the area more transit-friendly too. Win-win! Unless the people who live in those tiny garage-less houses buy cars anyways and then piss and moan about parking to anyone who will listen.
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Don't worry someday the north west will have as many people as the north east. Then Portland and Vancouver can both be commute by rail communities for Seattle.
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So Portland Public Schools is closing the Pioneer School for high needs special ed kids so they have a place to put the Access Academy Talented and Gifted program. This is after they tried to clos a poor, black neighborhood school to put Access Academy there, but got too much pushback from the community. Seems like they can't take a hint.
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It seems the new building is something our new PPS Superintendent is pushing hard for right out of the gate. He doesn't even do us the courtesy of making his argument before the community first. This stuff is especially stupid because gifted kids by their nature are a lot more easily separated into classrooms within already existing Portland schools than special needs kids who require a lot more infrastructure and human capital. In other Portland news, Kurt Kreger got pushed out as head of the housing bureau. Considering how near and dear the issue of housing is to me, not least because of the rent I pay on my poo poo hole, I know very little about the guy. He runs a real estate company in Vancouver which struck me as sort of a conflict of interest but otherwise I got nothing. Anyone have an idea why Wheeler wanted him gone?
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Cuz followup is always fun, remember when everyone got all mad about WSP going after left lane campers? Some people were like, "that's racist" because police are tools of oppression, others claimed that left lane campers were annoying and violated state law and maybe impeded the flow of traffic. Well it was more than a PR campaign to reduce white fragility, as some here claimed, but rather an attempt to stem an epidemic of bad driving. https://twitter.com/wspd7pio/status/938880799012556800 How does this seemingly innocuous story about moving violations trigger you? Were you right all along? Can you find a way to make this story fit your political/economic narrative?
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