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birdstrike
Oct 30, 2008

i;m gay
as if you would talk about UTS in the context of brutalist architecture and not Macquarie

rank amateurs

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Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Birdstrike posted:

as if you would talk about UTS in the context of brutalist architecture and not Macquarie

rank amateurs

Because like everything Macquarie does its one fifth the size and no one has to suffer through it other than Macquarie students

Real talk about a decade ago they discovered tgese huge concrete slab squares on the outside of outside of the old library served no purpose and literally covered up windows hidden inside cause brutalism

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
Deb vs JPL

I BET on JPL because the LNP has a habit of digging up used by leaders.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

Anidav posted:

Deb vs JPL

I BET on JPL because the LNP has a habit of digging up used by leaders.

The Borg is back baby.

birdstrike
Oct 30, 2008

i;m gay

Lid posted:

Because like everything Macquarie does its one fifth the size and no one has to suffer through it other than Macquarie students

Real talk about a decade ago they discovered tgese huge concrete slab squares on the outside of outside of the old library served no purpose and literally covered up windows hidden inside cause brutalism

it was supposed to survive usyd getting nuked

VivaLa Eeveelution
Apr 3, 2011

Doctor Spaceman posted:

Brutalism is great unless you want a pleasant public space people will want to be in.

Brisbane's cultural centre, anyone?

I have a...hmm. I wouldn't say fondness for brutalism (and thank you for finally giving me a better word to describe it than utilitarian-zeerust-sci-fi-ish) but because it was what the museum and library were stuck inside and I was a povvo nerd toddler, I've been conditioned to see brutalist architecture and think 'brain filling adventure'.

I have the internet for that now, but drat if the rare times I go near that area I still get a thrill that spurs my imagination.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
https://twitter.com/AusAmbFR/status/938808086466367488

Birdstrike posted:

it was supposed to survive usyd getting nuked

These days they could they'd build the swimming pool out of sandstone to show they're just like the cool kids

Severing
Aug 26, 2017

Kommando posted:

Well that was tidy

Thank god we'll never have this snake of a man as a leader of any real power.

boston crime stats
Dec 6, 2016

The Lord Bude posted:

It’s not a grey area, people have been convicted for it before. Australian law explicitly defines child porn very broadly. Anything that depicts or appears to depict a child is child porn - text can be child porn. Even porn starring adult actors can be child porn if the actors appear to be depicting underage characters - by wearing school uniforms for example. That’s also why small beast porn is banned here.

I missed pedochat but I want to bring it up again because the discussion kind of stopped at hetero porn.

I’ve tried googling some answers but couldn’t find much (also every time I hit “search” I’d visualise my name moving up a few places on a list somewhere...) - anyone have any knowledge of how this works with gay porn? I feel like this “appears to depict underage characters” thing would be awesome if you were, say, a Queensland police commissioner and wanted to gently caress up some queers.

check his pornhub history, boys - oi look this bloke rimming this other bloke doesn’t have a full beard, go the gently caress to jail

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

A spoonful of brutalism helps the generic glass abortions go down

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
A real nerd wants to live in Gotham City

Putrid Dog
Feb 13, 2012

"God, I wish I was dead!"

boston crime stats posted:

I missed pedochat but I want to bring it up again because the discussion kind of stopped at hetero porn.

I’ve tried googling some answers but couldn’t find much (also every time I hit “search” I’d visualise my name moving up a few places on a list somewhere...) - anyone have any knowledge of how this works with gay porn? I feel like this “appears to depict underage characters” thing would be awesome if you were, say, a Queensland police commissioner and wanted to gently caress up some queers.

check his pornhub history, boys - oi look this bloke rimming this other bloke doesn’t have a full beard, go the gently caress to jail

They'd be classified as twinks - thin, small build guys in their late teens to 20s who naturally don't have much body hair, which already is a highly popular genre of porn and a lot of guys fit that archetype in the gay community when in that age bracket.
For anything underaged/illegal, I'd imagine you'd actually have to be actively searching for "16 years and under" to get child porn, because there are a lot of adult sites that cater to that market that's after twinks and all the guys that look like that archetype that are of legal age. The amateur porn uploaded on sites makes it a whole lot more difficult and problematic if the person is underaged and hides it, compared to porn done by a professional studio obviously, but then again it would be hard to charge someone of child porn when it's not completely obvious it's of someone underaged.

There was also THIS case in Canberra where a 15 year old met up with someone on grindr, revealed his age and then threatened to out him as a pedophile for money/phones and the guy ended up killing himself.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/deferred-sentence-for-canberra-teen-who-extorted-gay-men-20170703-gx3hny.html

Putrid Dog fucked around with this message at 05:08 on Dec 8, 2017

freebooter
Jul 7, 2009

On modern architecture, from the other week - https://www.currentaffairs.org/2017/10/why-you-hate-contemporary-architecture

quote:

For many socialists in the 20th century, the abdication of decorative elements and traditional forms seemed to be a natural outgrowth of a revolutionary spirit of simplicity, solidarity, and sacrifice. But the joke was on the socialists, really, because as it turned out, this obsession with minimalism was also uniquely compatible with capitalism’s miserable cult of efficiency. After all, every dollar expended on fanciful balusters or stained glass rose windows needed to produce some sort of return on investment. And since such things can be guaranteed to produce almost no return on investment, they had to go. There was a good reason why, historically, religious architecture has been the most concerned with beauty for beauty’s sake; the more time is spent elegantly decorating a cathedral, the more it serves its intended function of celebrating God’s glory, whereas the more time is spent decorating an office building, the less money will be left over for the developer.

Skellybones
May 31, 2011




Fun Shoe
Outlaw all architecture except brutalism and all art except social realism.

Skellybones
May 31, 2011




Fun Shoe
poo poo I meant socialist realism

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Looks like a good read (although the bit about banning skyscrapers seems ridiculous).

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Religious architecture rules

Contrast classical with the Hillsong megachurches

KennyTheFish
Jan 13, 2004

Lid posted:

Religious architecture rules

Contrast classical with the Hillsong megachurches

The Catholics certainly knew architecture. That or they did so many that even a few percent being amazing adds up.

Then there is Sigrada Familia.

KennyTheFish fucked around with this message at 06:47 on Dec 8, 2017

screaden
Apr 8, 2009
Have any of you been to Torquay in VIC and seen the estate built around The Sands golf course? I deal with a ton of their floor plans through my work and every time one comes across my desk I just sigh and get ready for a poo poo fight while I deal with illogical layouts, impossible roofs, nonsensical colour schemes and an architect who has absolutely no idea how the thing is going to be put together until it gets to the structural engineer who has to concoct a horribly inefficient layout of steel beams and posts that costs tens of thousands to manufacture.

Only for the entire place to look like a bizarre open air minimum security prison where the prisoners are allowed to wander freely but only within the confines of the golf course. Tons of hard black and grey surfaces attached to asymmetrical monolithic boxes everywhere with no greenery and stone "gardens" stretched out from end to end.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

KennyTheFish posted:

The cathloics certainly new architecture. That or they did so many that even a few percent being amazing adds up.

Then there is Sigrada Familia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedlec_Ossuary

birdstrike
Oct 30, 2008

i;m gay

doot

boston crime stats
Dec 6, 2016

MythLisp posted:

They'd be classified as twinks - thin, small build guys in their late teens to 20s who naturally don't have much body hair, which already is a highly popular genre of porn and a lot of guys fit that archetype in the gay community when in that age bracket.

I mean, that’s the thing isn’t it? It seems to me that in the eyes of the law, twinks would be the gay equivalent of women who do the kind of “teen” porn that is explicitly banned by the breast size thing.

I want to make it clear that i’m not doing some libertarian ephebophile subtext poo poo here - I’m quite happy with child porn and anything that even looks like it being banned. The discussion yesterday just made me wonder how open the law is to abuse by homophobic law enforcement.

quote:

but then again it would be hard to charge someone of child porn when it's not completely obvious it's of someone underaged.
Would it, though? As far as I can tell the bar is pretty low, but the people who get done for it usually have a record of child-related offences.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
The breast thing only applies to refusing classification and allowing customs to seize those films if they're imported. It's not a case of people getting charged with looking at child porn if they're watching sex workers with A cups. On that basis I wouldn't be surprised if 'Twink schoolboy destroyed by Teacher vol 3' would also be seized by customs but I don't think the person importing it wouldn't be charged with anything.

Putrid Dog
Feb 13, 2012

"God, I wish I was dead!"

boston crime stats posted:

Would it, though? As far as I can tell the bar is pretty low, but the people who get done for it usually have a record of child-related offences.

How law is supposed to be dealt with is via the concurrence of mens rea (guilty mind) and actus rea (guilty act). There's the guilty act - viewing child porn, but you would have to know the people in it were underaged to be guilty, hence why those with a record of child-related offences would be getting done but those who haven't may be given the benefit of the doubt and let off if caught.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
Geoffrey Rush is suing the Daily Telegraph for defamation

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

Rush to judgement

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Lid posted:

Geoffrey Rush is suing the Daily Telegraph for defamation

An Alien vs Predator scenario.

Sparticle
Oct 7, 2012

lol, I guess the Tele hoped more people would come out after their reveal of the pretty vague complaint of 'inappropriate conduct". They're pretty hosed now if no more info comes out. I heard Rush was insufferable to work with so I'd say the complaint was more Christian Bale than Don Burke.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Sparticle posted:

lol, I guess the Tele hoped more people would come out after their reveal of the pretty vague complaint of 'inappropriate conduct". They're pretty hosed now if no more info comes out. I heard Rush was insufferable to work with so I'd say the complaint was more Christian Bale than Don Burke.

He's a known creep in theatre circles but who knows if he's a lecherous, leering slob or an offender.

Sparticle
Oct 7, 2012

JBP posted:

He's a known creep in theatre circles but who knows if he's a lecherous, leering slob or an offender.

Yeah I wouldn't be too surprised if he was an offender but I'm definitely putting my money on Tele incompetence.

boston crime stats
Dec 6, 2016

MythLisp posted:

How law is supposed to be dealt with is via the concurrence of mens rea (guilty mind) and actus rea (guilty act). There's the guilty act - viewing child porn, but you would have to know the people in it were underaged to be guilty, hence why those with a record of child-related offences would be getting done but those who haven't may be given the benefit of the doubt and let off if caught.

sure, but by that point many aspects of your life are already hosed. However...

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

The breast thing only applies to refusing classification and allowing customs to seize those films if they're imported. It's not a case of people getting charged with looking at child porn if they're watching sex workers with A cups. On that basis I wouldn't be surprised if 'Twink schoolboy destroyed by Teacher vol 3' would also be seized by customs but I don't think the person importing it wouldn't be charged with anything.

...it seems like this isn’t really a problem and people aren’t getting arrested left and right by shithead cops for possession of child porn because their natural-chested trans woman partner sent noods.


Thanks. Lately I’ve become much more aware of the amount of hell my non-hetero friends have to put up with (either because they’ve been battling quietly or I just wasn’t paying attention cos I’m poo poo) so it’s good to know this isn’t part of it.

CrazyTolradi
Oct 2, 2011

It feels so good to be so bad.....at posting.

Skellybones posted:

Outlaw all architecture except brutalism and all art except social realism.
"People should only wear state issued coveralls"

Putrid Dog
Feb 13, 2012

"God, I wish I was dead!"

boston crime stats posted:

sure, but by that point many aspects of your life are already hosed. However...

Depends if it blows up in the media, I guess - most don't.
A reasonable judge wouldn't criminally charge them, I haven't heard of any case of someone getting arrested by accidentally coming across "GOTCHA" cp. If anything, they'd be slapped with a fine and good behaviour bond like Ben McCormack had, as he had the actus reus of fantasy talk constituting promotion of child porn over the internet, but not the mens rea where he was wanting to assault any child. Some could argue just admitting he's a pedophile is mens rea, but even then, the actus reus had no specific victim.

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.
I love melbourne, cops in the dumb red vests assaulting a racist in hi-vis for mouthing off, while a street preacher tells us we are all going to hell and a guitar playing magician speaks blood libel

Now that’s culture

Periphery
Jul 27, 2003
...
Road chat: A bunch of academics have released a report showing that Melbourne's proposed West Gate Tunnel will be a giant waste of time and money. http://cur.org.au/media/new-report-raises-serious-concerns-west-gate-tunnel/

quote:

The report, a joint publication between RMIT University and the University of Melbourne, argues that the project will not meet three of its key objectives and only partially meet two. It recommends that Parliament instead limit its support for strategic road investment in Melbourne’s inner west to building the $500 million West Gate Distributor – a project that addresses access to Port Melbourne and trucks on inner west roads.

The report’s authors note that the proposed tunnel will not improve transport capacity along Melbourne’s M1 corridor, and will not reduce reliance on the West Gate Bridge. The project will fail to give residents in Melbourne’s fastest growing region better access to employment opportunities via public transport.

The report also warns that freight access to the Port of Melbourne and the rest of the city will only be partially improved by the tunnel, and that the plan’s ban on trucks will only slightly improve community amenity and local streets in Melbourne’s inner west.

Co-author, RMIT University’s Dr Ian Woodcock, said that the project’s inability to meet its key objectives would have major consequences for many Melburnians, particularly those living in the city’s fastest growing metropolitan area – the west.

“International and local evidence overwhelmingly shows that when it comes to improving traffic congestion, building new roads is only a short-term solution,” Woodcock said.

“By building extensive new road capacity that simply entrenches car-based transport, the West Gate Tunnel Project will introduce new transport complexity to the west and the rest of the city, and will compromise many decades of carefully developed aspirations for the central, inner-west and north Melbourne.

“The project’s massive $5.5 billion budget will severely limit options available to future governments to create better public transport, and to meet demands for investment in health, education and regional development.”Dr Crystal Legacy, from the University of Melbourne, said the West Gate Tunnel was a clear case of “overreach” and the Government should revert back to the 2014 West Gate Distributor plan.

“For too long, Victoria’s transport planning and infrastructure investment has occurred in a policy and planning vacuum.

“We therefore call on Parliament – and all sides of politics – to support urgent action for the preparation of an integrated Victorian Transport Plan, as required by the Transport Integration Act 2010.

“This can be done through transparent, strategic and vision-led infrastructure planning, based on an appropriate evidence-based assessment process. All alternatives must be considered to create the city in which its residents wish to live.”

The report also includes an open letter to Victorian State MPs signed by 22 internationally renowned academic leaders in transport planning, urban planning, engineering and safety about the direction of transport planning in Melbourne and Victoria.

Who would have guessed a road proposed by Transurban would not be in the best interests of the broader community.

birdstrike
Oct 30, 2008

i;m gay

Solemn Sloth posted:

I love melbourne, cops in the dumb red vests assaulting a racist in hi-vis for mouthing off, while a street preacher tells us we are all going to hell and a guitar playing magician speaks blood libel

Now that’s culture

EoinCannon
Aug 29, 2008

Grimey Drawer

Periphery posted:

Road chat: A bunch of academics have released a report showing that Melbourne's proposed West Gate Tunnel will be a giant waste of time and money. http://cur.org.au/media/new-report-raises-serious-concerns-west-gate-tunnel/


Who would have guessed a road proposed by Transurban would not be in the best interests of the broader community.

Problem is now the libs have come out against the tunnel so Dandrews won't be able to back out without losing skin

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

Periphery posted:

Road chat: A bunch of academics have released a report showing that Melbourne's proposed West Gate Tunnel will be a giant waste of time and money. http://cur.org.au/media/new-report-raises-serious-concerns-west-gate-tunnel/


Who would have guessed a road proposed by Transurban would not be in the best interests of the broader community.

Ian Woodcock is one of the biggest wankers you will ever meet but he’s not wrong on this one

Whitlam
Aug 2, 2014

Some goons overreact. Go figure.

Periphery posted:

Road chat: A bunch of academics have released a report showing that Melbourne's proposed West Gate Tunnel will be a giant waste of time and money. http://cur.org.au/media/new-report-raises-serious-concerns-west-gate-tunnel/


Who would have guessed a road proposed by Transurban would not be in the best interests of the broader community.

Woodcock's a Green who's been actively campaigning against the Tunnel on the basis of "we can solve everything with trains!" for a while now. He's not exactly unbiased on the issue.

Personally I'm not unhappy about the Tunnel - trucks using local roads in the inner west has been a huge issue for decades, and if nothing else, the truck bans are going to help with that. Besides, whether we like it or not, the population is going to basically double over the next couple of decades, and we can't solve everything with freight on rail. Even if it isn't a perfect solution, at least it's something.

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ewe2
Jul 1, 2009

Synthbuttrange posted:

Rush to judgement

oh god this is all turning out to be some weird kind of Get This station promotion

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