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Soothing Vapors posted:Agreed, but Cox and Bernthal were so good together I still want to see him in DD I think some ninjas broke in and chopped onions when I watched that scene where Frank was telling Matt about coming home.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:I think some ninjas broke in and chopped onions when I watched that scene where Frank was telling Matt about coming home. This version of the Punisher is so goddamn human. Which is a real rarity for the character, Marvel lucked out hard with the casting.
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Cythereal posted:This version of the Punisher is so goddamn human. Which is a real rarity for the character, Marvel lucked out hard with the casting. Hearing him talk about them and knowing they got ripped away really sells it. I hate the part where he talks about being on the plane home and expecting God to kick it away. One of my friends was killed in a hit and run at the airport on the way back from Afghanistan right before thanksgiving 2014 so that poo poo is just too real.
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Dec 8, 2017 04:57
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enraged_camel posted:One rather big plot hole in Punisher seemed to be when Russo visited Madani after killing her partner, and then during the conversation said something about her partner being stabbed to death. Being in the bathtub together covered in blood without saying a word implies they talked about what happened earlier.
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Dec 8, 2017 06:05
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cosmicjim posted:Being in the bathtub together covered in blood without saying a word implies they talked about what happened earlier. They weren't in the bathtub together. Madani was sitting in the tub staring into the water, too shaken to talk, while Billy was sitting on the edge washing her partner's dried blood off her. The scene definitely didn't give the impression that they chatted about the details of what occurred.
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I might be remembering it wrong but didn't she say something like "how did you know he was stabbed?"?
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enraged_camel posted:They weren't in the bathtub together. Madani was sitting in the tub staring into the water, too shaken to talk, while Billy was sitting on the edge washing her partner's dried blood off her. The scene definitely didn't give the impression that they chatted about the details of what occurred. That's not how visual storytelling works. If a character knows something that we didn't physically see the character learn, it is implied the character learned it in the time between scene transitions. Field Mousepad posted:I might be remembering it wrong but didn't she say something like "how did you know he was stabbed?"? I don't remember now. I guess I need to rewatch it. In my memory he was in the tub with her, which is apparently incorrect.
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Dec 8, 2017 06:30
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cosmicjim posted:That's not how visual storytelling works. If a character knows something that we didn't physically see the character learn, it is implied the character learned it in the time between scene transitions. Stop talking out of your rear end.
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enraged_camel posted:Stop talking out of your rear end. The scene with Russo and Madani with the long pause after he says maybe it was her partner's fault he got stabbed was carefully crafted and purposely threw an obvious trope up in the air, then went another direction. The show made a point of doing it throughout the entire season. Madani shows up in the last episode and you expect a trope. Nope, it purposely jars you with an abrupt deviation. I'm talking out of my rear end? It's not my fault you think you are smarter than the writers because you don't see subtext, or that you just flat out disregard the intelligence of other people. In this case, first; the writing, directing, and editing team and then secondly me. I was not trying to be rude when I explained it the first time, so I'm sorry for coming across that way. I'm not sorry for it in this post. Quiz time. How does Madani finally figure out that Russo killed her partner? The light bulb goes off in the stairwell stand off. It's not in any way hidden. It's not a puzzle. It's pretty straightforward. Anyone can answer. I'm just following up with discussion. I like talking about this stuff. The episode I'm referencing is the one that runs scenes out of order from different points of view. I didn't mind that episode, but the start was a little too abrupt. The same thing happened to me that someone else posted. I thought my web-player skipped, and I restarted the episode thinking it skipped forward. cosmicjim fucked around with this message at 07:49 on Dec 8, 2017 |
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Cythereal posted:This version of the Punisher is so goddamn human. Which is a real rarity for the character, Marvel lucked out hard with the casting. Is the "going home" scene where Frank breaks down in the graveyard?
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Narcissus1916 posted:Is the "going home" scene where Frank breaks down in the graveyard? Yep. Frank breaks down and infodumps his backstory on Matt in the graveyard.
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Dec 8, 2017 15:36
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Make season 2 insanely violent and do the Nicky cavella storyline.
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I think they should save Jigsaw until season 3. Would give the character some time to recover and recollect his memory, brood, scheme, etc.
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I woke up and reread my last post. Sorry for being obnoxious. I was talking out of my rear end. Edit - also the psychopath stuff I was referencing in episode 8 is that billy’s bathroom routine was referencing American Psycho. cosmicjim fucked around with this message at 17:59 on Dec 8, 2017 |
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Dec 8, 2017 17:57
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Billy is in my opinion one of my favorite TV psychopaths, perhaps one of the most realistic. The actor did a good job.
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cosmicjim posted:I woke up and reread my last post. Sorry for being obnoxious. I was talking out of my rear end. MOVIE MAJICK posted:Billy is in my opinion one of my favorite TV psychopaths, perhaps one of the most realistic. The actor did a good job. Cythereal posted:Yep. Frank breaks down and infodumps his backstory on Matt in the graveyard. oh yeah, that scene was loving incredible
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Jose posted:Make season 2 insanely violent and do the Nicky cavella storyline. This,if only for the, Nicky :you fucks work for me!" Random lower mook : What are you gonna do nicky? get us whacked?,they're all dead.." Nicky :  Fantastic scene,also i'd loving LOVE to see them do pittsy. edit another great bit from that scene : "Funny thing about loyalty,it always works well for guys like you,never works for guys like us" Brazilianpeanutwar fucked around with this message at 18:59 on Dec 8, 2017 |
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Man, Nicky Cavella would be a pretty great response to him killing a bunch of Gnuccis.
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Nicky doing what he does to start it all would serve as a logical start to season 2 after how season 1 ended. Think it's all a bit too violent though
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I think the slavers would be more uncomfortable to watch,(bad guys being gutted while alive,people being burned alive,the kettle scene,rape, and dead babies)
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Brazilianpeanutwar posted:I think the slavers would be more uncomfortable to watch,(bad guys being gutted while alive,people being burned alive,the kettle scene,rape, and dead babies) I did lead to the moment in a later storyline where Frank tries to convince himself that he didn't comment those acts, that even he was horrified on some level at what he had done
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When I started watching this I kept wondering 'who is this guy that looks like Mike Pence' and eventually figured out the actor played Father Intintola on the Sopranos. He didn't age so well.
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R-Type posted:When I started watching this I kept wondering 'who is this guy that looks like Mike Pence' and eventually figured out the actor played Father Intintola on the Sopranos. He didn't age so well. Sopranos is kind of an old show now and when you shave bald you become very different-looking.
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Davros1 posted:I did lead to the moment in a later storyline where Frank tries to convince himself that he didn't comment those acts, that even he was horrified on some level at what he had done Good thing ghost rider wasn't around...
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I certainly want a great amount of titillating, gratuitous, gratifying violence in my Punisher shows, but I like the fact that this Netflix Punisher is at least sort of circumspect and restrained about what exactly he does. It's really nice that this version of the character falls more-or-less perfectly in-line with my personal idealized version of the character, as summarized way back when in this thread.BrianWilly posted:I think Punisher could work as a more standard hero -- or at least as an anti-hero -- if they focus less on the fact that he seems to brutally execute every single bad guy he comes across and more on the issue that, hey, sometimes -- not all the time but at least some of the time -- killing some of these guys is completely justified and defensible. He would still be working outside the law which would force the police and other heroes to try to deal with him, and this would still set him apart from the sort of characters who take their no-kill decrees very seriously, but it wouldn't depict Frank as some sort of "madman that has to be stopped" or whatever which, in my opinion, hurts the character more than it doesn't.
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^^^totally agree with all that^^^ Show would have loving sucked if they just made Frank Sadistic Murderer Guy and if everything was just bullets flying everywhere constantly. They did a good job with this show.
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Get Frank back in DD by doing the Matt in prison story, where Frank gets arrested so he can protect and help Matt
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There's more character development in Netflix's The Punisher then almost decades of comics stories. Ennis' run is good stuff, but its all too often more about how The Punisher impacts the world around him.
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Eight episodes into Iron Fist and this thread title is so relevant. Enjoying the hell out of it tho.
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Brazilianpeanutwar posted:I think the slavers would be more uncomfortable to watch,(bad guys being gutted while alive,people being burned alive,the kettle scene,rape, and dead babies) See, that'd be a good season, too. Somebody who is no threat to Frank or anyone he personally cares about, nor has ever done anything to him to warrant revenge, but they're just doing such evil poo poo to people that he can't not do anything about it. Make it unambiguously his choice to go down that road again.
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enraged_camel posted:I think they should save Jigsaw until season 3. Would give the character some time to recover and recollect his memory, brood, scheme, etc. All I want is one bottle episode where Frank snipes a bunch of people from a treehouse in Central Park, like that issue of War Zone where he was hunting down a serial rapist.
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If I have zero interest in Daredevil could I pick up Punisher without any problems? It sounds like its in some ways a direct-ish sequel to events in DDs2. e: Last Netflix Marvel show I watched was JJones, which I liked a lot of, and Luke Cage, which I liked some of and gradually lost interest. Never saw any of Daredevil or Iron Fist.
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Ravenfood posted:If I have zero interest in Daredevil could I pick up Punisher without any problems? It sounds like its in some ways a direct-ish sequel to events in DDs2. You can watch Punisher without watching DD2 with no problem.
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Daredevil is pretty drat good though. It has the best fight sequences out of all the marvel Netflix shows I think, plus a couple really good ones with the punisher.
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Yeah, I had zero interest in Daredevil but it was a really good show. It's a very VERY slow burn. But it was all good. The character building is really spot on, moreso for the bad guys. Punishers appearance pushed it over the top. You can watch Punisher as a stand alone, though. It was kinda made to be it's own thing happening after the events in DD and doesn't really give anything away or interact too much other than one character who is also sort of on her own.
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March 8 https://twitter.com/Marvel/status/939601813682057216
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Honestly I think there's more to be said for shows that hold your interest from show to show than "slow burn" stuff. "Slow burn" is code for boring.
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You can certainly watch Punisher on its own, all you need to know is that Karen is from DD and she helped clear Frank's name while he helped her get out of a big mess, so they're close and might have some romantic tension if only Frank weren't so broken. But I'd at the very least watch the cemetery scene from Daredevil's 2nd season. Bernthal absolutely nails it. Someone needs to do a Punisher-only fanedit of Daredevil and compress it all into a prequel episode.
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Nah, slow burn is at worst code for a boring /start/, and even that isn't always true, since that's often just a poorly done slow burn. A good slow burn is interesting throughout, it's just that a climax or plot twist that's been intricately put together over a long time is often way more mindblowing than ones that don't put so much work into it.
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There's nothing wrong with a slow burn if the characters are compelling and well written. That's more or less the point of that kind of pacing.
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