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evilweasel posted:This is going to be a thing today: I thought we knew this already. Didn't the wapo article talk about that?
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evilweasel posted:This is going to be a thing today: lol welp guess Moore is winning, this sinks so much poo poo. lol though at Trump's "where we have so little margin for victory already" admitting that even with majority house they can't even loving pass basic poo poo
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Vladimir Putin posted:Not if Wikileaks is a news organization. Under no circumstances will the us government ever declare WikiLeaks to be a news organization.
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Liquid Communism posted:We hold soldiers in literal war zones pulling security against populations known to harbor armed insurgents to more stringent rules of engagement than our police dealing with the US public. There were a shitload of solders who had served in Iraq and Afghanistan saying that they were both taught way more de-escalation methods than cops and were required to use them around when Mike Brown died. I mean, I'm sure they've been saying that since but that's when I first saw it
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Alter Ego posted:Did she claim that they were his originally? If not, then I fail to see the problem. It isn't proof of anything and it won't change any minds. Alabama's electorate is baked in at this point. I believe that the initial news conference strongly implied or said outright that the entire thing was him. I didn't look at it to confirm.
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Grapplejack posted:Under no circumstances will the us government ever declare WikiLeaks to be a news organization. hahahahaha *catches breath* hahahahahhahaha
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evilweasel posted:This is going to be a thing today: Sounds like they're just getting out in front of part of it not being his before they have a ~*handwriting expert*~ confirm the signature is his later today. https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/939161605593583620
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DLC Inc posted:lol welp guess Moore is winning, this sinks so much poo poo. lol though at Trump's "where we have so little margin for victory already" admitting that even with majority house they can't even loving pass basic poo poo The yearbook inscription was used to disprove Moore's "I DON'T KNOW THIS JEZEBEL WHORE" claim. This "revelation" doesn't disprove that he knew her; all it does is give people who are already voting for Roy Moore something to scream impotently about for the next couple days. Phoix posted:Sounds like they're just getting out in front of part of it not being his before they have a ~*handwriting expert*~ confirm the signature is his later today. They wouldn't do this if the inscription--the actual incriminating part--was fake.
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Alter Ego posted:The yearbook inscription was used to disprove Moore's "I DON'T KNOW THIS JEZEBEL WHORE" claim. This "revelation" doesn't disprove that he knew her; all it does is give people who are already voting for Roy Moore something to scream impotently about for the next couple days. Eh I think any part of it being real is incriminating since he's gone so hard on absolutely not knowing her.
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CyberPingu posted:Im pretty ignorant to how the US Police works, but isnt Internal Affairs the licensing body? So, how I'd envision licensing working is very similar for police. A hypothetical officer goes to a police academy in PA. He graduates and earns the right to take an exam. My EMT-B required both a practical and written exam, my nursing only required written but wouldn't let me graduate if I didn't pass their internal practicals. I don't care what the exam is, but an exam, ideally one that has a separate portion for any state-specific laws that an officer must know. He passes, yay! Now he can work in PA. He has to demonstrate every few years that he has taken steps to continue to be an officer, or alternatively, has to re-test his eligibility. He also gets a certification that says he's really good in some policing thing that's good for resume-building. No idea what, but sure, make it an option, its not significant. He moves to TN, he tells TN that he has a PA license. Their boards talk, he gets a TN license, and maybe has to pass TN's portion of the exam for TN-specific legal poo poo, idk how different they actually are. Oops, he shoots someone's face off while they were lying handcuffed on the ground because he feared for his life. He's acquitted, because gently caress this loving earth, but his TN board of policing also reviews this and says that someone of his temperament isn't suited to be an officer in TN. Now he can't just do the "gets fired and moves one department over" deal, and he also has to tell PA that TN revoked/suspended/investigated his license. Say, maybe TN concludes that shooting handcuffed people in the face is fine, but PA doesn't. At the very loving least he can't work in PA anymore, and if he tries to move to CA, he does have to tell CA why PA decided that he shouldn't be an officer, so maybe he can't work there either. Oh, and some states are revoking nursing licenses because nurses have defaulted on loans. So yes, in some ways the license system is utter bullshit, but it does provide another level of review that might help, because its at least a level that isn't stuck under the horrible system where prosecutors' jobs depend on the officers they're supposed to indict. Ravenfood fucked around with this message at 17:11 on Dec 8, 2017 |
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Moatman posted:There were a shitload of solders who had served in Iraq and Afghanistan saying that they were both taught way more de-escalation methods than cops and were required to use them around when Mike Brown died. I mean, I'm sure they've been saying that since but that's when I first saw it That's what my family members who are vets keep saying, too. They're pretty upset by that video, despite being right-wing fucks.
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Phoix posted:Eh I think any part of it being real is incriminating since he's gone so hard on absolutely not knowing her. Exactly my point. He wrote in her yearbook, which means any claim to not knowing her is faker than a 3-dollar bill.
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Alter Ego posted:Exactly my point. He wrote in her yearbook, which means any claim to not knowing her is faker than a 3-dollar bill. Its not about what it proves about reality, it's if it will provide a fig leaf for republicans to support moore enough to put him over. These are not people who carefully weigh evidence.
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Moatman posted:There were a shitload of solders who had served in Iraq and Afghanistan saying that they were both taught way more de-escalation methods than cops and were required to use them around when Mike Brown died. I mean, I'm sure they've been saying that since but that's when I first saw it I'm wondering where the ex-soldier cops are in that case since police departments absolutely love to recruit from people freshly out of the military. I can only think of maybe a couple incidents offhand where the cop was ex-military and de-escalated the situation versus the normal track of 'shoot first, shoot fast, and let IA deal with the corpse'.
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Bhaal posted:https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-07/u-s-household-wealth-hits-record-96-9-trillion-last-quarter About 1 trillion of that liquidity is a handful of tech companies. Off the top of my head: Apple: 250 B MS: 100 B Google/Alphabet: 100 B Qualcomm: 75B There are a few other big names that are all sitting on tens of billions in cash right now.
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Alter Ego posted:Can we loving call it collusion yet? Because that's what it loving was. There's a piece in the New Yorker about how collusion isn't technically a crime, so the two things they could be done for are receiving foreign contributions in the form of wikileaks emails, and something like encouraging the hack of the dnc.
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evilweasel posted:Its not about what it proves about reality, it's if it will provide a fig leaf for republicans to support moore enough to put him over. These are not people who carefully weigh evidence. Those people have already gone back to Roy Moore long before this. Doug Jones' fate has already largely been determined, win or lose. There are no real undecideds left in this race.
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Party Plane Jones posted:I'm wondering where the ex-soldier cops are in that case since police departments absolutely love to recruit from people freshly out of the military. I can only think of maybe a couple incidents offhand where the cop was ex-military and de-escalated the situation versus the normal track of 'shoot first, shoot fast, and let IA deal with the corpse'. like, I'm not saying police procedures and training in America aren't garbage, but much like with normal non-heinous governmental agencies, you don't hear about most of the times they do their job correctly a good America would be an America where police officers never make the news unless they're, like, rescuing a kitten from a burning tree (the hell-timeline america is the one where we go "oh, another black man murdered by police, must be Tuesday")
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Party Plane Jones posted:I'm wondering where the ex-soldier cops are in that case since police departments absolutely love to recruit from people freshly out of the military. I can only think of maybe a couple incidents offhand where the cop was ex-military and de-escalated the situation versus the normal track of 'shoot first, shoot fast, and let IA deal with the corpse'. Here's one where an ex-military police officer tried to de-escalate a suicide-by-cop situation and was fired for it, does that count? (Other officers from his department shot the guy in the head anyway) http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/11/us/wv-cop-fired-for-not-shooting--lawsuit/index.html
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Alter Ego posted:Those people have already gone back to Roy Moore long before this. I don't believe there are people undecided about, if you shoved them into a booth, who they'd vote for. I do believe there are people undecided or swayable about if they're going to vote or not.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:like, I'm not saying police procedures and training in America aren't garbage, but much like with normal non-heinous governmental agencies, you don't hear about most of the times they do their job correctly The issue isn't cops loving up (although that is a huge thing), it's cops loving up and not seeing any repercussions for it.
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Party Plane Jones posted:I'm wondering where the ex-soldier cops are in that case since police departments absolutely love to recruit from people freshly out of the military. I can only think of maybe a couple incidents offhand where the cop was ex-military and de-escalated the situation versus the normal track of 'shoot first, shoot fast, and let IA deal with the corpse'. Generally the guys who get out of the armed forces and want to be in a position of armed authority over civilians are the last people you want doing that job.
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Ravenfood posted:Here's one where an ex-military police officer tried to de-escalate a suicide-by-cop situation and was fired for it, does that count? (Other officers from his department shot the guy in the head anyway) That's one of the cases I was going to bring up that I remembered offhand, yeah.
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DreamShipWrecked posted:The issue isn't cops loving up (although that is a huge thing), it's cops loving up and not seeing any repercussions for it. oh yeah totally I still like that proposal from somewhere where if a police officer kills somebody he doesn't get to carry a gun anymore easy, clean, and if a department winds up with more officer kills than desk jobs something is clearly Horribly Wrong with the department
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i am harry posted:There's a piece in the New Yorker about how collusion isn't technically a crime, so the two things they could be done for are receiving foreign contributions in the form of wikileaks emails, and something like encouraging the hack of the dnc. Yes I read the same thing. And I think they better pass a law shutting this down because a foreign entity sharing intelligence (that isn’t stolen) to tip an election to one party isn’t a crime but should be.
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evilweasel posted:I don't believe there are people undecided about, if you shoved them into a booth, who they'd vote for. I do believe there are people undecided or swayable about if they're going to vote or not. I think this is the most important thing for people to remember going into 2018 and 2020: it's not about flipping Republicans. It's about getting people who'd vote for a Democrat to actually vote, and/or getting people who'd vote for a Republican to stay home. Undecideds (at least, in any meaningful number) are a myth.
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Party Plane Jones posted:I'm wondering where the ex-soldier cops are in that case since police departments absolutely love to recruit from people freshly out of the military. I can only think of maybe a couple incidents offhand where the cop was ex-military and de-escalated the situation versus the normal track of 'shoot first, shoot fast, and let IA deal with the corpse'. They get fired for not killing people http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/king-ex-marine-fired-w-va-officer-failing-shoot-article-1.2790284
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Vladimir Putin posted:What? Why would it be illegal for DOJ to use this? Something something dossier discredited as garbage something something liberal conspiracy something something witch hunt something something HILLARY! I'm very versed on this since I listened to Jim Jordan scream gibberish at a beleaguered CNN reporter this morning. She tried.
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evilweasel posted:I don't believe there are people undecided about, if you shoved them into a booth, who they'd vote for. I do believe there are people undecided or swayable about if they're going to vote or not. This is probably all the headlines will scream about today, even with the evidence the press conference is presenting. I really hope I'm wrong.
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Vladimir Putin posted:What? Why would it be illegal for DOJ to use this? It's part of the "obama tapped my house/microwave" alternate storyline that actually seems to be the first thing on earth that trump ever (mostly) dropped talking about after saying it. It's the idea the steele documents were false and then used by obama to justify wiretapping trump.
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