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Darchangel posted:Shortly after that, the Taurus was almost literally nothing but ovals, right down to the god-damned radio. I quite like a lot of Fords from a driving standpoint, but I will never be able to buy one from '95-'05 because of those awful loving blobby shaped, plasticky interiors. Dear Christ they are awful
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Darchangel posted:Shortly after that, the Taurus was almost literally nothing but ovals, right down to the god-damned radio. The great thing about that ear of Taurus is that every loving thing is an oval, inside and out. The outside is just oval, oval, oval then inexplicably the taillights from a 3rd gen RX-7. I mean, not literally, but holy poo poo when it came out I couldn't figure out why the taillights looked so much like an FD
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Finger Prince posted:The ZX2 would work so much better as a hatch. That would've made it a ZX3. Darchangel posted:Shortly after that, the Taurus was almost literally nothing but ovals, right down to the god-damned radio. That was the '96-99 bodystyle. That radio was hot garbage. The whole thing is just terrible looking. Ford completely pissed away the best-selling car in America in one fell swoop. Godholio fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Dec 7, 2017 |
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Q_res posted:The great thing about that ear of Taurus is that every loving thing is an oval, inside and out. The outside is just oval, oval, oval then inexplicably the taillights from a 3rd gen RX-7. For the longest time I thought they were the same lights, like Ford just pulled them out of a parts bin and were like "Yup this is good".
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Phy posted:One of my favorite 90s concept cars was the Intrepid ESX, saw it in a Popular Mechanics and kind of fell in love. Lambo did it better.  It always struck me that the modern camaro looks so much like a 99 Pontiac concept. 
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i dunno if it was a concept car or not but there was an old Jaguar that looked like a perfected version of thatDiggityDoink posted:For the longest time I thought they were the same lights, like Ford just pulled them out of a parts bin and were like "Yup this is good". the front and back of the zx2 are totally leeched designs that they changed. it's like looking at the competing studio's movie poster. those FD-like rear lights are hard to pretend that they were meant to be anything else and the front end looks like SC300 fan art even naming the car that way was probably a marketing gimmick to confuse people with the infinitily better nissan Zs
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Thief posted:i dunno if it was a concept car or not but there was an old Jaguar that looked like a perfected version of that The XJ220? 
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Maker Of Shoes posted:The XJ220? That car looked so so cool. But they sooooooooooooooooo hosed up and did it all last min. Poor thing ended up with a lovely v6.
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Preoptopus posted:That car looked so so cool. But they sooooooooooooooooo hosed up and did it all last min. Poor thing ended up with a lovely v6. It also helped get the weight, size, and complexity down compared to the original 4WD V12 proposal.
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Preoptopus posted:That car looked so so cool. But they sooooooooooooooooo hosed up and did it all last min. Poor thing ended up with a lovely v6. What? It made over 500 horsepower and got 30+ mpg freeway in 1992
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Preoptopus posted:Lambo did it better. Also a Chrysler. It was severely damaged and later restored (for $300k).
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Maker Of Shoes posted:What? It made over 500 horsepower and got 30+ mpg freeway in 1992 yea but it was supposed to be BIGGER
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Ford and Mazda had a real incestuous thing going on throughout the 90s so I wouldn't be at all surprised if the two companies did share taillights. I could easily imagine Ford taking the FD units and putting in a new lens and calling it a day.
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Maker Of Shoes posted:Still an improvement on the one stereo design Chrysler used up until the mid 2000's in literally all of their cars. $5000 Neon? $50,000 Ram? Yeah, congrats, its this. I like that - looks like it was designed to be operated by feel alone.
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 Gauges on the door   The British really knocked it out of the park in the 90s, at least in terms of styling. XJ220, Mclaren F1, TVR Cerbera/Tuscan... Preoptopus posted:yea but it was supposed to be BIGGER Do you hear that a lot? Terrible Robot fucked around with this message at 07:07 on Dec 8, 2017 |
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spleen merchant posted:I like that - looks like it was designed to be operated by feel alone. Yeah I really miss things being tactile so you could use them without having to take your eyes off the road. I could send texts without ever having to look down, thanks t9.
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cool startup feel posted:A 98 Taurus was my first car. It was, for the most part, awful My uncle had one as a company car. We not-quite-affectionately called it The Cockroach.
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spleen merchant posted:I like that - looks like it was designed to be operated by feel alone. There's too much emphasis on making stuff look slick over functionality. Don't give me a load of fiddly buttons, just a couple of large knobs easy now, CSB .
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Sagebrush posted:Ford and Mazda had a real incestuous thing going on throughout the 90s so I wouldn't be at all surprised if the two companies did share taillights. I could easily imagine Ford taking the FD units and putting in a new lens and calling it a day.
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Falken posted:In the mid late 90s there was a mazda that was literally a Ford Fiesta with different badge and grill
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Falken posted:In the mid late 90s there was a mazda that was literally a Ford Fiesta with different badge and grill I'm probably mistaken but weren't the two part of some corporate conglomerate at one point? I'm either remembering wrong or the two just happened to use the same manufacturing warehouse for half of their poo poo. Yeah here we go. quote:Wiki DiggityDoink fucked around with this message at 11:15 on Dec 8, 2017 |
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Yeah, they used it to full effect in Australia from 1980. Mazda had just switched to FWD and ford kicked all euro derived RWD small and medium cars out, eg escort, cortina, so everything ford beside the falcon/fairlane was mazda based FWD Mazda 121 - Ford festiva mazda 323 - ford laser hatch (meteor for the sedan version) mazda 626 - ford telstar These were pretty much just rebadging and knock down kits So we didn't get any FWD euro derived fords like escort or sierra in the 80s Later on ford au went with their own design for the laser body, and dropped the telstar for a corsair (nissan based?), did a deal with nissan for the maverick (nissan patrol), which ended up meaning a few ford falcon utes had a nissan badge. Then they went with KIA built festiva (still with mazda) instead of the Japanese 121/demio. Then ford au starting bringing in USA ford flops like taurus to replace the medium car mazda/nissan based flops before the current ford europe/mazda feista, focus and mondeo line up. E: Also forgot the ford courier/ranger still share platform today with mazda. mazda b2600 - ford courier. Mazda bt50 - ford ranger Fo3 fucked around with this message at 13:46 on Dec 8, 2017 |
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Fo3 posted:So we didn't get any FWD euro derived fords like escort or sierra
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yeah that. whatever. Apparently a good car doesn't matter, didn't have them.
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thank you for posting my favorite jag to start the day friends.
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Fo3 posted:yeah that. whatever. Apparently a good car doesn't matter, didn't have them.
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spleen merchant posted:I like that - looks like it was designed to be operated by feel alone. I liked the one that came just before it, tuning was done with a knob then and it was brilliant. I mean it worked great by touch, but the unfortunate thing was that you had to touch it to use it, at which point you were reminded of just how awful everything you touched in those cars felt. I can still remember the smell of my mom's '97 neon. Ugh.
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weren't the Sierra turbos good though? Or was it just a "no replacement for displacement" scenario? I know they did a one off 3.2l E30 in SA too. Air Con OR Power Steering, you choose!
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slothrop posted:weren't the Sierra turbos good though? Or was it just a "no replacement for displacement" scenario? I know they did a one off 3.2l E30 in SA too. Air Con OR Power Steering, you choose! But you could get the 2.8i (later 2.9i) with AWD as the XR4x4, and people like Turbo Technics would shove some boost in them. They're rare now, but there's still a couple of fairly normal-looking Sierra hatchbacks and estates kicking around with anything from 250 to 400+bhp.
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Preoptopus posted:Lambo did it better. You can totally see the Dodge Stealth in that.
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The Ranger/B-series were (and still are) all over the place. Didn't the Probe and MX6 or something share a lot of commonality?
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InitialDave posted:South Africa didn't get the 2.8 Cologne, they had the old 3.0 Essex instead, which is a bloody solid lump, but not the last word in output. The 2.3 turbo from the XR4Ti was kind of just a US thing, that car getting the 2.8 "originally", and the Cosworths were something else entirely compared to the generic Sierra, you couldn't get those engines in the cooking models. RIP the days where you would see all sorts of weird and wonderful local modifications to cars. Now that Holden and Ford are gone from Australia and I'm sure countless numbers of other local 'manufacturers', the world is going to become so much more homogenised.
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Best thing about the XJ220 is the Ford Transit van that is fitted with the running gear as a test mule. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChTUMNyjUHE
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Preoptopus posted:Lambo did it better. Good lord that is an ugly car  It's like all the worst 90s design trends condensed into one car.
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slidebite posted:The Ranger/B-series were (and still are) all over the place. Right before they started dumping all their brands Ford put Volvo, Mazda, and Euroford in a room and told them to design a small car platform. That was the Last generation Mazda3, Euro-Focus, v30 etc. See also Mazda6, Fusion, CX-7, Edge, etc. Also, the Kia logo is the shape it is because it would fit in the same spot as the Ford logo on the Fiestas they were contract building. It's funny that the best rivals to the Escape (Ford's #2 Vehicle) is the cx-5 and Sportage.
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InitialDave posted:South Africa didn't get the 2.8 Cologne, they had the old 3.0 Essex instead, which is a bloody solid lump, but not the last word in output. The 2.3 turbo from the XR4Ti was kind of just a US thing, that car getting the 2.8 "originally", and the Cosworths were something else entirely compared to the generic Sierra, you couldn't get those engines in the cooking models. South Africa also stuffed the 302 in the Sierra and called it the XR8.
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Q_res posted:South Africa also stuffed the 302 in the Sierra and called it the XR8. InitialDave posted:South Africa got the Sierra, took one look at it, and shoved a 302 in the engine bay to make an XR8 version. V8 RWD hatchback? Yeah, that'll do.
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Canada never got the Sierra. WTF Ford? We're comonwealth too!
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slidebite posted:The Ranger/B-series were (and still are) all over the place. The Probe and the MX6 / 626 shared a platform (Mazda G) and other components like headlights. Also, the Mazda Familia and 323 use the same platform (Mazda B) as the Escort and ZX2 for the whole 1990s.
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InitialDave posted:Yeah, I had that kind if family of radio in the WJ, and it was great for that. Same with heater controls you could use with gloves on. This is the out of a new Jeep Trailhawk something... even sitting at my desk this looks way too distracting. I feel like I'd need to park it before trying to adjust the temperature. No wonder lane-keep and auto-brake are being implemented in newer cars, it's the only thing keeping people out of preventable accidents. I do appreciate they've included a 'screen off' button so the display doesn't kill my night vision, it's one of first things I look for in the settings when I get in a rental. 
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