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But all systems works towards not wasting your actions and stacking you stuff towards succeeding even if you roll an 80/throwing enough dice to avoid boxcars? Like, if the desired result is a 100% success rate, what's the difference?
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JcDent posted:But all systems works towards not wasting your actions and stacking you stuff towards succeeding even if you roll an 80/throwing enough dice to avoid boxcars? Like, if the desired result is a 100% success rate, what's the difference? Or I guess a 99.99% chance if you can re-roll, but still...
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Nov 25, 2017 21:48
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JcDent posted:But all systems works towards not wasting your actions and stacking you stuff towards succeeding even if you roll an 80/throwing enough dice to avoid boxcars? Like, if the desired result is a 100% success rate, what's the difference? It's okay to fail, but it sucks to fail repeatedly and in ways that aren't memorable.
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Nov 26, 2017 00:43
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I feel like the percentile system from 40k RPGs has a specific problem from the way it carried over stats from the miniatures games. They kinda just multiplied everything by ten, said "alright, these are the average stats for these kind of dudes", and designed enemies around that. But every PC I've seen has had stats way out of proportion to what should be "average" for their race, meaning that even starting dudes are out muscling/fight better/are smarter/more determined than centuries-old chaos space Marines. So when you get into fights, the math breaks down. It could've been a fine system, it just needed a very different interpretation of the meanings and differences of statistics and bonuses. Similarly, these games try to accurately reflect the mechanical differences between the tabletop game weapons, which are all balanced around an entirely different set of play assumptions. On the tabletop, you make cost/benefit analyses for different units that are expected to fulfill specific roles and often get killed as the game progresses. Heavy weapons are useful against tanks and tough enemies, but overkill against grunts, and you risk wasting points if you give them to a model that dies early or isn't where they need to be. Here, the PCs are always in every fight, and shouldn't die all that often. So every PC gears up as much as possible, and can no-sell anti-infantry weapons, but still splatter when something designed to kill tanks finally hits. The main thing this new 40k rpg needs is to acknowledge that some things are going to work differently than they "should" according to tabletop knowledge, and balance things properly. EDIT: Or if not, come up with ways to work with it. Give characters faceless minions to eat the first few lascannon rounds, enforce some kind of stricter equipment policy to make loadouts balanced, make a system that scales better for the different levels of conflict you encounter in 40k. And for God's sake, have psykers gradually suffer drawbacks or lose power or something, don't let them either be great forever or summon Kaz'Goth the armsman and TPK the first time they blink. Eponymous fucked around with this message at 01:07 on Nov 26, 2017 |
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Nov 26, 2017 00:58
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You guys know that, regardless of the randomization system used, you can describe the probability of each outcome as a percentage, right? There's no difference between rolling a 6 on 1d6 and rolling a 10+ on 2d6, and both of those only differ from rolling an 84+ on 1d100 because 6 doesn't divide evenly into 100 and the die doesn't support fractional results. What bell curve proponents are actually interested in, I think, is changes in difficulty having larger effects near the center of the distribution: You get more chance of success out of moving from 8+ (~41.7%) to 7+ (~58.3%) (~16.7% change) than you do moving from 5+ (~72.2%) to 4+ (~83.3%) (~11.1% change). You could do this with a percentile dice system by changing target numbers by larger increments near 50 and smaller increments near 1 and 100. I realize the dice pool system works differently from the three I mentioned above, but you can still assign probabilities to success-with-reward, success-with-complication, failure-with-reward, and failure-with-complication and model them with a d100.
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Nov 26, 2017 05:13
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Yer probably right and the wrath dice will probably work somewhere towards the system. And the point that rules are poorly design with regards to psykers and heavy weapons also stands. FFG seems to give you drawbacks at first, and then just layer ways to overcome them on top. I don't know how you can avoid rocket tag - do WHFRPG avoid rocket tag? - but you could make people remember fatigue exists by adding it as a tax on all out attack, pushing powers and straight up running, at least as one measure.
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Nov 26, 2017 06:40
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WFRP avoids rocket tag by having a 2d10 weapon with tearing be a huge deal, and never having more than 1 armor penetration when people can max out at 5 armor. Since 40k tabletop has to deal with power armor and vehicles, it introduces high pen and high damage weapons that just overwhelm weaker targets. That's why enemies should always be hordes of lesser foes led by one or two champions.
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Speaking of high stats. My group is currently finishing up the Dark Eldar ready-made campaign for Rogue Trader. Last session we fought a Wich-Queen and her highest servants. Queen had 90+% Dodge and her servants had 70+% dodges. Also they all dodge twice per turn.  Also what not to have on your 40k campaign: Conversion fields. Literally 90% participants on that fight were blind. Issaries fucked around with this message at 09:37 on Nov 26, 2017 |
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wiegieman posted:It's okay to fail, but it sucks to fail repeatedly and in ways that aren't memorable. I will go so far as to say Losing is fun, but only if said losing isn't repetitive or arbitrary.
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wiegieman posted:The difference is in how hard it is to get off the RNG. In 40k as it stands, your goal is usually to crank your skill up enough that you can't fail, because what you're actually doing is making sure that you won't waste your actions doing the thing your character is supposed to be good at. This means stacking reroll talents and getting a WS of 55 so when you charge something it drat well dies even if you roll Another Goddamn 80. Dicepool systems heavily gravitate towards the mean, which give a lower but more consistent result and as a result people tend to like them more -- because they have built in protection from Goddamn 80s. Adding my own lil' anecdote here. I'm playing a Boatman in a WH Fantasy campaign; not exactly heavily fighting-focused. We were fighting off some Plague Zombies at one point alongside a Witch Hunter. Including taking a half-action to aim, I had a 51% chance to hit...but missed about 8 times in a row against one of them. I eventually got two hits in, but it dodged both of them...by rolling under a 20. GM rolled those in the open, too.
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Anyone have advice on the best way to run a 40K RPG campaign, or just RPG campaign in general over the internet? I have heard of a few programs, but it would be nice to hear from people who have experienced first hand success.
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Uroboros posted:Anyone have advice on the best way to run a 40K RPG campaign, or just RPG campaign in general over the internet? I have heard of a few programs, but it would be nice to hear from people who have experienced first hand success. Discord and roll20. I've played in two games and am running one using those two programs. Roll 20 has some pretty good character sheets you can choose from when you create the game that can help your players on some of the rolling, especially on Dark Heresy 2nd edition.
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Nov 27, 2017 18:25
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Werix posted:Discord and roll20. I've played in two games and am running one using those two programs. Thanks, any good tutorials that cover the basic of using these two programs to their fullest potential to cut down on some of the starting time?
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I'm finding all the mechanics talk to be really interesting, but do we have any idea what the default setting will be? Is it going to be Calixis or Askellon or somewhere new?
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Uroboros posted:Thanks, any good tutorials that cover the basic of using these two programs to their fullest potential to cut down on some of the starting time? Here's a basic roll20 tutorial I wrote for another GM: Me posted:So, Roll20! It's honestly pretty easy to use but here's everything I can think of that's useful for a beginner.
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Schadenboner posted:I'm finding all the mechanics talk to be really interesting, but do we have any idea what the default setting will be? Is it going to be Calixis or Askellon or somewhere new? Well, it's certainly not going to be the Jericho Reach considering the way GW pooh-poohed that setting/sector.
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I can't find the exact reference, but basically there's a reference somewhere in new Deathwatch materials to a branch located somewhere that's very similar to Watch Fortress Erioch. The flag for this branch of the Deathwatch is also very close to that of the Jericho Reach. There's also a reference to a Vault full of things (it's not Omega - but again, very close) that opens up to reveal that it's just an elaborate troll, right before the whole place is swarmed and nommed by Tyranids. This appeared shortly after the dissolution of the agreement between FFG and GW.
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well that's real loving lame whatever FFG's take on 40k will always be my headcanon 
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I liked a lot of the original stuff they came up with. I like the idea of the Storm Wardens Chapter of space marines. They were a lot like Salamanders in that they spend a lot of time on their home world with their families, including carrying large monoswords into battle that are family heirlooms. I mean, I'll always love Blood Ravens, but the Storm Wardens were neat enough since they weren't clearly a successor of any one chapter, but combined a lot of things. The connection to their world like the Salamanders/Ultras; an affinity for melee combat like the Templars; a love of mechanized warfare similar to the White Scars. They were a well designed chapter. Just imagine this in the 40k setting: "Son, you have been chosen to be a Storm Warden. This sword has been passed down in our family, carried by five other astartes in your ancestry. For three generations none of our line has passed the trials and proven themselves worthy to carry it. You have."
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Werix posted:I liked a lot of the original stuff they came up with. I like the idea of the Storm Wardens Chapter of space marines. They were a lot like Salamanders in that they spend a lot of time on their home world with their families, including carrying large monoswords into battle that are family heirlooms. It helps that the Storm Wardens cleave to a recognizable warrior archetype: they're woad-painted Celts from the misty moors.
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LuiCypher posted:I can't find the exact reference, but basically there's a reference somewhere in new Deathwatch materials to a branch located somewhere that's very similar to Watch Fortress Erioch. The flag for this branch of the Deathwatch is also very close to that of the Jericho Reach. There's also a reference to a Vault full of things (it's not Omega - but again, very close) that opens up to reveal that it's just an elaborate troll, right before the whole place is swarmed and nommed by Tyranids. This appeared shortly after the dissolution of the agreement between FFG and GW. Bitter exes are always the worst.
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Werix posted:"Son, you have been chosen to be a Storm Warden. This sword has been passed down in our family, carried by five other astartes in your ancestry. For three generations none of our line has passed the trials and proven themselves worthy to carry it. You have." And it just gets even better when they become a Tempest Blade: "Brother, you have been chosen to be a Tempest Blade. This sword has been passed down in our Chapter, carried by nine other Brothers since the time of our Founding. All nine of them met with glorious ends - in that process, this blade has cut down 3 Hive Tyrants, 5 Ork Warbosses, 2 Rogue Inquisitors, 4 Chaos Champions, 3 Dark Eldar Archons, a Harlequin, a Tau Riptide Battlesuit, and a Bloodthirster of Khorne - not to mention the countless fields of chaff it has cut a swath through. What path will you carve with this blade so that we may pass it to your successor with honor?"
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Eponymous posted:Here's a basic roll20 tutorial I wrote for another GM: This is a great help, I really appreciate it. Most my old role-playing friends live outside an hour drive these days, and are plagued with little in the way of time, and we all have kids and other responsibilities that kind of prevent us from meeting up with regularity. For little over a year I rotated between DW and DH as the GM and I think it was some of the most fun role-playing we had in the better part of a decade. Up until that point I had never GM'd, but I am pretty huge 40K buff, and I have an eye for consistency that I think helped a lot. I took a lot of the pre-gen campaigns and would expand on them by adding more characters and contingency plans for when things went off the rails(which they always do) and steer them back into the main focus.
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Some ???news??? on the new WHFRPG: http://cubicle7.co.uk/warhammer-fantasy-roleplay-fourth-edition-news/
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JcDent posted:Some ???news??? on the new WHFRPG: Pretty much news it will release mid 2018 and more news tomorrow.
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JcDent posted:Some ???news??? on the new WHFRPG: Unless I can play as the rat ogre on the cover I don't care
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If I ever do another campaign for 40k, I'm going to set a Dark Heresy game in a locked down Ponte Towers-esque megastructure that's been infested by Khorne cultists with a ticking clock to clear it out in *** amount of time before the Inquisitor just nukes it, and I'm going to call it Dredd Heresy. I feel this will be a good plan.
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susan posted:If I ever do another campaign for 40k, I'm going to set a Dark Heresy game in a locked down Ponte Towers-esque megastructure that's been infested by Khorne cultists with a ticking clock to clear it out in *** amount of time before the Inquisitor just nukes it, and I'm going to call it Dredd Heresy. I feel this will be a good plan. I wanna play this
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Dark Heresy: The Raid
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Go full-up The Wire with Arbites,
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Rockopolis posted:Dark Heresy: The Raid The Raid: Redemptionists 
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susan posted:If I ever do another campaign for 40k, I'm going to set a Dark Heresy game in a locked down Ponte Towers-esque megastructure that's been infested by Khorne cultists with a ticking clock to clear it out in *** amount of time before the Inquisitor just nukes it, and I'm going to call it Dredd Heresy. I feel this will be a good plan. Ok, but also rip-off The Dark Knight Returns were the prisoners have a rope that they can tie to themselves to try to climb out of the prison, but no one ever succeeds
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susan posted:If I ever do another campaign for 40k, I'm going to set a Dark Heresy game in a locked down Ponte Towers-esque megastructure that's been infested by Khorne cultists with a ticking clock to clear it out in *** amount of time before the Inquisitor just nukes it, and I'm going to call it Dredd Heresy. I feel this will be a good plan. I'm going to make sure our assault squad is armed with weapons that don't shed blood (shock mauls, plasma guns, etc), because I'm pretty sure the design is for all the blood to flow down into the central atrium and summon a Bloodthirster.
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For tonight's assignment, find the one structure, hive, or city-plex in the Imperium that wasn't designed according to hidden heretical geometries.
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Yeah, definitely going with some wire work/forced floor hopping for the PCs to escape mega hordes or something (still working on details). And floors cut off full of mutants or other undesirables that they can escape to. And there's no escape on the top; my thought is that it's a hermetically sealed environment to guard the civilians against local weather stuff, but that is set to open soon after the danger has passed, hence the ticking clock. Though there should be enough room for some kind of hover vehicle to fly up and down spraying bolter fire  .
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susan posted:Yeah, definitely going with some wire work/forced floor hopping for the PCs to escape mega hordes or something (still working on details). And floors cut off full of mutants or other undesirables that they can escape to. And there's no escape on the top; my thought is that it's a hermetically sealed environment to guard the civilians against local weather stuff, but that is set to open soon after the danger has passed, hence the ticking clock. Though there should be enough room for some kind of hover vehicle to fly up and down spraying bolter fire Arvus Lighter, the most lovable flying box, should fit anywhere!
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It's 40K, make it tall enough to have a swordfight over who gets the grav-chute as you plummet to the ground. If the player wins too early, you can lengthen the fight with some frenzied cultists leaping out after them as they drop past.
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wiegieman posted:For tonight's assignment, find the one structure, hive, or city-plex in the Imperium that wasn't designed according to hidden heretical geometries. Bloody Stupid Johnson, Tzeentch's favorite hive planner looked upon his latest work and despaired. Everything had gone just as planned, the temples to the Corpse-Emperor spaced in such a way that when the slaughter commenced all the blood would cascade down the fluted pillars as the cacophony of screams rose up (funneled throughout the city by an intricate arrangement of vox-casters) to split open the veil between realms. Everything was perfect, except for the difference between ' and ". As the very small Lord of Change surveyed its new realm, Johnson sobbed.
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