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 Released with 1.3 in Oct of 2015 No longer operational as of 2.2 in March 2016 Removed from the store sometime around Dec 10 2017 
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Dec 10, 2017 20:46
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Dusty Lens posted:
B... B'Tak? 
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Dec 10, 2017 20:50
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Dusty Lens posted:
Just as the sales define development, so does development eventually invalidate the sales. But don't worry, they'll figure out what to do about the people who spent money on it. Sometime in the future.
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Dec 10, 2017 20:51
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D_Smart posted:OK, serious question time. I think there's a chance we'll get a game, but it's a very small chance. I really hope that CIG does manage to cobble together something, I want see the deformed baby born of the unchecked ambition of Crobberts. It's far more likely that CIG just implodes IMO.
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Dec 10, 2017 20:52
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Is Hellion any good now?
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Dec 10, 2017 20:57
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https://twitter.com/dawnofevil/status/939929042320527361 https://twitter.com/TarkaRoshe/status/939932824991424513
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Dec 10, 2017 20:59
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Drunk Theory posted:Just as the sales define development, so does development eventually invalidate the sales. Man you should see the rage going on over the Constellation Phoenix right now. They sold this thing as a super up-gunned version of the Constellation with better shields, better guns, better missiles, a "Point defense turret" in addition to the two regular turrets, better armor... it was supposed to be some kind of luxury VIP transport. Then they released the hangar version 2 years ago, and it was just a white version with a hot tub inside. Now they're doing the inevitable "Refactoring" and literally all of the stuff I just mentioned has been dropped except for the hot tub. It's just a mangled version of the regular Constellation with less missiles and a fatter midsection to accommodate your frat parties. There's not even any gameplay reason for it to exist. But it still costs like $125 more than the regular versions- gently caress you if you don't like it! a cyberpunk goose posted:Are people bad with money going to be bad with money? Probably, but this is a new kind of scam trapping an ambitious new market of victims, many of whom id argue probably wouldn’t have been burned so badly had we well run financial oversight in our hell world. I would argue that this is not really a new kind of scam at all. It is a cult and a con. It turns out that cults have always been especially seductive to exactly the kind of people Star Citizen routinely preys on- loners with inferiority complexes who don't really have a lot of experience of what a healthy community should be. They get told that no they really are special, and here's a place for people just like them- give a little more, and you can enter at a higher rank- because if you can throw that kind of money around you've obviously already earned the respect! The only thing they don't really have is a good messianic leader because Chris is kind of a fuckup and Sandi is a transparently evil grasper. I guess you could say that's the unique part- it's kind of a crowdsourced cult, where they all take turns "Inspiring the faithful" and nobody gets to sleep with the groupies because women are 100% repelled by this thing.
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Dec 10, 2017 21:10
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BeigeJacket posted:Is Hellion any good now? Hellion really feels like the dev's mission statement is to explicitly take all of Star Citizen's ideas and make them into a workable game. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XShCuA2tpQ
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Dec 10, 2017 21:13
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Sarsapariller posted:Man you should see the rage going on over the Constellation Phoenix right now. They sold this thing as a super up-gunned version of the Constellation with better shields, better guns, better missiles, a "Point defense turret" in addition to the two regular turrets, better armor... it was supposed to be some kind of luxury VIP transport. Then they released the hangar version 2 years ago, and it was just a white version with a hot tub inside. Weird. Everyone always says they are giving their money to CIG to support development, and the ship is just a nice thank you. You make it sound like the people who purchased the ship expect an actual product. Strange that.
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Dec 10, 2017 21:14
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https://twitter.com/dawnofevil/status/939927825334919176 https://twitter.com/dawnofevil/status/939938578943135745 https://twitter.com/dawnofevil/status/939940428882874368 https://twitter.com/dawnofevil/status/939941144657629184 https://twitter.com/dawnofevil/status/939942142562263043   
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Dec 10, 2017 21:16
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Sarsapariller posted:I would argue that this is not really a new kind of scam at all. It is a cult and a con. It turns out that cults have always been especially seductive to exactly the kind of people Star Citizen routinely preys on- loners with inferiority complexes who don't really have a lot of experience of what a healthy community should be. They get told that no they really are special, and here's a place for people just like them- give a little more, and you can enter at a higher rank- because if you can throw that kind of money around you've obviously already earned the respect! The only thing they don't really have is a good messianic leader because Chris is kind of a fuckup and Sandi is a transparently evil grasper. I guess you could say that's the unique part- it's kind of a crowdsourced cult, where they all take turns "Inspiring the faithful" and nobody gets to sleep with the groupies because women are 100% repelled by this thing. totally, i acknowledged it's not "new" in terms of it's components, what's fresh is the specific segment being tapped into in the last couple of years. I think people in all segments of society are susceptible to some kind of scam or another, and it's a matter of the right factors coalescing in just the right ways to overload your risk evaluations. Star Citizen really raises the bar from "making f2p games that take advantage of stupid whales with more money than sense" to "making poor midwestern nobodies lose their shirts over space futures", which is pretty next level for video game scams. a cyberpunk goose posted:(To be clear confidence scams aren’t new but it’s well executed in how RSI performs the liability dance) A scam's brazenness always has some (for the sake of elaboration let's say linear but obviously this isn't quantifiable) linear relationship to how difficult the operator feels it would be to sue them/prove in court. This is where Star Citizen stands out to me. For Star Citizen's stated goals, their workforce is a complete skeleton crew. Chris Roberts is doing a little bit more than the bare minimum to "prove" he's "making something" without actually trying to deliver on all the insane, endless promises he's made about what's coming. Because imagine trying to explain to a judge (in 3 different countries no less) that, yes, sure, there is a patcher and you can download something that resembles a game, but it's basically a medium business equivalent of a hackathon project in it's current form and shows absolutely no ability to scale to the stated goals that they have been raking in millions from morons for years now. a cyberpunk goose fucked around with this message at 21:22 on Dec 10, 2017 |
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Dec 10, 2017 21:17
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yn8zZIN3xg&feature=youtu.be
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Dec 10, 2017 21:17
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Mirificus posted:https://twitter.com/dawnofevil/status/939929042320527361 These two need to hurry up and just gently caress. This never ending cyber sloppy blowjob session is getting gross.
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Dec 10, 2017 21:26
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a cyberpunk goose posted:totally, i acknowledged it's not "new" in terms of it's components, what's fresh is the specific segment being tapped into in the last couple of years. I think people in all segments of society are susceptible to some kind of scam or another, and it's a matter of the right factors coalescing in just the right ways to overload your risk evaluations. Star Citizen really raises the bar from "making f2p games that take advantage of stupid whales with more money than sense" to "making poor midwestern nobodies lose their shirts over space futures", which is pretty next level for video game scams. Poor midwestern nobodies have been getting corporate scammed for decades, though. Just look at Landmark Forum, or Est. http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2016/04/06/the_true_story_of_est_the_pop_psychology_group_that_seduces_philip_in_this.html https://www.huffingtonpost.com/karin-badt/inside-the-landmark-forum_b_90028.html quote:EST was founded in 1971 by a handsome former encyclopedia salesman named Werner Erhard, who had changed his name from John Paul Rosenberg a decade earlier. He launched EST in San Francisco and it quickly spread across the county. EST was not officially a religion but a training program meant “to transform your ability to experience living so that the situations you have been trying to change or have been putting up with clear up just in the process of life itself,” as Erhard put it. At its peak, thousands of people a month were paying hundreds of dollars to partake in weekend training seminars in order to “get it”— EST-speak for a vague kind of self-actualization. I'll grant you that Star Citizen is next-level for video game scams, because those have traditionally been targeted at investors and so haven't really had the ability to rope in masses of people- they were limited to a one-time sale and then irrelevancy until very recently when kickstarter came in- but the demographic that they're targeting has been getting scammed in the same way, hard, for 50 years or more. The megawhales that SC is milking are not really the super-rich investors they portray themselves as. They're cubicle drones, who have a lot of money but very little time and who feel that their lives are largely unfulfilled as a result. Est, and Landmark, and Star Citizen all promise actualization and belonging in the same vague way, sprinkled with a bit of star power, and a bit of abuse. It's exactly the right formula for a certain kind of really broken person.
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Dec 10, 2017 21:27
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a cyberpunk goose posted:A scam's brazenness always has some (for the sake of elaboration let's say linear but obviously this isn't quantifiable) linear relationship to how difficult the operator feels it would be to sue them/prove in court. This is where Star Citizen stands out to me. Also agreed, but really it's only the really poorly executed or suicidal cult-scams that actually get taken down. Est/Landmark/Scientology are all more or less legal (or have enough clout to cover up their shady poo poo). Star Citizen is probably legal though it skirts a lot of consumer protection laws. But yeah, despite Derek's constant dark hints, nobody is going to jail over this. Nobody's walking away from it either, because I think everyone left at the top realizes there's only one golden goose and this community isn't going to re-materialize if they abandon ship for a new project. Everyone is kind of stuck at this point.
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Dec 10, 2017 21:33
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Dec 10, 2017 21:37
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D_Smart posted:OK, serious question time. I am waiting for the esports to catch on. Like CR promised. I am spending hours honing my skills. I have no doubt SC and SM will beat out Lol and Dota without question.
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Dec 10, 2017 21:38
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this is maybe the first day in more than a year that ive woken up to less than a hundred new posts in the thread only 82? slow news week i guess
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Dec 10, 2017 21:44
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Dec 10, 2017 21:44
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alf_pogs posted:this is maybe the first day in more than a year that ive woken up to less than a hundred new posts in the thread No one has posted recently that the thread is now bad or good.
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Dec 10, 2017 21:48
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Also double posting appears to be on the way out as we move in to the fresh new posting styles of 2018
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Dec 10, 2017 21:49
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man i'm really not making arguments against the things you're acting like i am, im just saying scams keep evolving and this represents a new bold trend
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Dec 10, 2017 21:50
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there's some level of her immunity to scams once they've been around long enough, society at large hasn't developed an immunity to SC because it isn't yet a finalized example of a huge scam. it might never be with the way they are dancing and the way the world is going right now. the average ding dong on reddit will probably have awareness that scientology & amway are scams because of way the community at large talks about those things, and consider themselves too smart to be scammed (a trait of every scam victim), but people are especially unequipped to talk about video game related scams because they are so new and the gaming zeitgeist has no uniform to evaluate them as such quite yet.
a cyberpunk goose fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Dec 10, 2017 |
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Dec 10, 2017 21:54
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a cyberpunk goose posted:man i'm really not making arguments against the things you're acting like i am, im just saying scams keep evolving and this represents a new bold trend Sorry, I'm not really trying to argue against what you're saying. It is new, I agree. But it's also got a lot of DNA in common with classic USA scams. I find the whole thing interesting and was just kind of rambling off on my own exploration of that using your post as a starting point.
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Dec 10, 2017 21:56
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Sarsapariller posted:Sorry, I'm not really trying to argue against what you're saying. It is new, I agree. But it's also got a lot of DNA in common with classic USA scams. I find the whole thing interesting and was just kind of rambling off on my own exploration of that using your post as a starting point. all good my man 
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Dec 10, 2017 21:57
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wait wait wait its a SCAM?
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Dec 10, 2017 21:57
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D_Smart posted:OK, serious question time. There will never, ever be a game. But I keep hoping, and I know it won't happen either--please, please CIG give us a Pusher cut scene. Crobbers show us your strong female character in the vein of Alow from HZR. You can do it--give us the Pusher version of the Morrow Tour!
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Dec 10, 2017 21:59
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BeigeJacket posted:Is Hellion any good now? It is still a Early Access. So basically really great idea for game, without any guarantee's that dev can complete it before running out of money. And dev's have done a lot of stuff right (if you love hard space sim's) It is shaping up rather nicely. The next kessler update brings in debris cloud's and those can be pretty dangerous (literally from the movie gravity).  pictured debris hitting my base (i died taking this shot due to debris hitting me) taken from testing build.
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Dec 10, 2017 22:00
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alf_pogs posted:wait wait wait SC... AM SC..AM SCAM
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Dec 10, 2017 22:05
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Dec 10, 2017 22:13
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Dusty Lens posted:
Wtf is flashfire I asked google: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/electronic-access/Weapon-Roms/Hornet-Flashfire-Specialty-Mount "Want some bigger bang for your credit… literally? These carefully designed mounts will transform larger hardpoints on the Hornet and Cutlass-class platforms to allow them to attach large weaponry" Basically take your [x] slots and turn them into a [x]+1 slots! You'd be an idiot not to upgrade. Was this sold before they even had the dogfighting module? Imagine if Blizzard started selling the "Titan's Grip" talent (lets your character hold 2-handed weapons with one hand) before they even finished the original game, lol.
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Dec 10, 2017 22:15
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Virtual Captain posted:Wtf is flashfire I asked google: And then decided that no actually that makes warriors overpowered. So we aren't adding that talent anymore. If you bought that talent already, we'll figure out how to compensate you at some point.
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Dec 10, 2017 22:21
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nopantsjack posted:Caught up with the thread! http://dereksmart.com/forums/reply/6056/ ----------------
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Dec 10, 2017 22:22
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Sarsapariller posted:Explain to me how lives are at risk, though? Bank accounts I'll grant you, but really even if Star Citizen were to disappear tomorrow I kind of feel like the dudes who'd invest their family's life savings into scam video games in pursuit of community and meaning are gonna find some way to lose that money. I didn't means "lives are at stake" as in people dying. I'm talking about livelihoods of people working on it, those who have pissed away the farm on it, got into debt etc. ----------------
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Dec 10, 2017 22:26
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a cyberpunk goose posted:but people are especially unequipped to talk about video game related scams because they are so new and the gaming zeitgeist has no uniform to evaluate them as such quite yet. But on the plus side "Kickstarter that will fulfill all your dreams" "crowdfunding" and "early access" do not have the glow they did in 2012. I don't think you could launch a Star Citizen quite as easily now as they did then, if at all. I think 90s superstars coming back to fart around has been somewhat burnt out by the shittiness of some major KS projects.
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Dec 10, 2017 22:30
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Virtual Captain posted:Wtf is flashfire I asked google: They are still selling the "Guide to modding star citizen" when the game doesn't and will never have modding tools available to it at the rate they are going
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Dec 10, 2017 22:30
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https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/939959982728073217
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Dec 10, 2017 22:36
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LOL!!! https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/and-this-is-why-lti-doesn-t-mean-shiddldy-squat-fa/ ----------------
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Dec 10, 2017 22:37
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Hey guys, Elite is a good game. Space truckin' soothes the spirit.
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Dec 10, 2017 22:51
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Evocati exit https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/7ig4u2/1350_refund/?st=jb17q04l&sh=133919ff quote:Thank you /r/starcitizen_refunds for providing me with the information I needed to ensure that I got this back. ----------------
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