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oRenj9 posted:The Cayenne is The Best Porsche. Whenever I get a loaner Cayenne I'm struck at how ridiculously big it feels compared to the Macan. The Macan drives like a car. The Cayenne drives like a truck.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:If they made one that split the difference between the quadrifoglio and the base, with say 350 HP in a V6, I’d be driving it right now. I think there is a version like that in Europe, but they might not bring it here if the other ones don’t sell.
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I'm assuming people have played with the tune in the Giulia? How well does it respond? Nevermind nobody's tuned it because they're all on lease.
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drgitlin posted:I think there is a version like that in Europe, but they might not bring it here if the other ones don’t sell. The q2 model(rear wheel drive with a LSD) for the super and business trim is selling less units than the quadrifoglio in its home market so i don't think it going to exist for much longer.
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It's annoying because if you look at the Alfa market for 105/115s the low-trim ones with sporting features are incredibly popular. Juniors with LSDs, etc sold decently at the time and sell very well now. I do think that the 105/115 owner group would consider a new Alfa if the spec was similar, but you can only either get a fairly boring automatic Giulia or spend a poo poo ton of money on a QV. Everyone always says this but as the world's foremost Italian car apologist, if they offered the Giulia Ti Sport with the LSD for like, $50K with a stick I would own one RIGHT NOW.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:It's annoying because if you look at the Alfa market for 105/115s the low-trim ones with sporting features are incredibly popular. Juniors with LSDs, etc sold decently at the time and sell very well now. I do think that the 105/115 owner group would consider a new Alfa if the spec was similar, but you can only either get a fairly boring automatic Giulia or spend a poo poo ton of money on a QV. In  the alfa costs as much if not more than the equivalent BMW so it's a very hard sell as its value will plummet. The engine lineup is minimal(right now the diesel engines are 70-80% of the car dealerships stock and nobody wants them due to dieselgate, the 2.0l petrol variants might as well not exist as our fuel prices are absurdly high) and the first units had abysmal build quality kinda poisoning the well with bad rep. I played with both a Tipo(Dodge Dart made in Turkey) and a decently specced Giulia and some of the plastics had similiar quality. I hope they changed the interiors for the USDM variant 
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:It's annoying because if you look at the Alfa market for 105/115s the low-trim ones with sporting features are incredibly popular. Juniors with LSDs, etc sold decently at the time and sell very well now. I do think that the 105/115 owner group would consider a new Alfa if the spec was similar, but you can only either get a fairly boring automatic Giulia or spend a poo poo ton of money on a QV. I don’t think you can even get a manual version? The 2.0L Ti with the LSD is about $40k though.
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I test drove one and sat in a few others, and in every trim below the quatroformaggio with pepperoni, I was really surprised by how poor the interior quality was.
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drgitlin posted:I don’t think you can even get a manual version? The 2.0L Ti with the LSD is about $40k though. There is a run of the mill 6 speed with the diesels and the petrol 2.0l. Never saw a QV in the wild with anything but the zf auto.
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Here in Europe they've tuned quite a few of the cheapest 200 hp 2.0T Giulias. I thinkthey get like 315 hp with just a tune. The 200 hp engine is mechnically identical to the more expensive 280 hp version, so a tune on the 280 hp version should also give you the same 315 hp. Ordering the cheapest Giulia 2.0T 200hp RWD with the LSD (28 500€ tax free) and getting a 400€ tune to push it to 315 hp is quite an attractive option. DoLittle fucked around with this message at 19:32 on Dec 11, 2017 |
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I personally would wait to hear on the reliability. It is an Alfa after all.
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My problem with the 280hp engine in the Alfa wasn’t so much the power, which was decent, it was the fact that it was just very boring. It had a low redline, didn’t sound especially good, and the power delivery wasn’t interesting. It’s an Alfa, it should feel special, to make up for the fact that it could combust at any moment. The engine doesn’t live up to the chassis.
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Which past Alfas have felt 'special'? Some of the V6s (ie not the GM one) were great but the four cylinders never were. Also they sold a whole lot of (shudder) diesels.
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dissss posted:Which past Alfas have felt 'special'? "Twin spark" inline fours were very good for the times, never been very fond of the "Busso", while it had a distinctive noise it wasn't very fuel efficient and kinda unreliable. Without dwelling in the past too much, 156 were very good and with good pricing and its derivatives(147 and gt) were decent. Alfa kinda lost it after they started using the GM-codeveloped chassis for the 159 and the brera, that chassis was super heavy and the car dynamics suffered for it. SlowBloke fucked around with this message at 10:53 on Dec 12, 2017 |
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The lights looks like NASCAR sticker lights and that lower lip painted the same colour as the body would improve it a bunch (though I know they're trying to normalise the front end of that space car they designed recently). It has a nice behind though.
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The front makes me think of a Miata.
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I thought it was a miata without blowing up the thumbnail.
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dissss posted:Which past Alfas have felt 'special'? The Milano V6 I got to drive was cool (I think it was called the 75 elsewhere.)
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"mx-5 red" was probably a poor choice of colour but then again AML is notoriously bad at this sort of thing
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 Subaru is launching a new large SUV 3-row crossover. I guess it holds 8 golden retrievers. https://www.autoblog.com/2017/11/29/2019-subaru-ascent-deep-dive-15-fast-facts/ It supposedly has a brand-new 2.4L turbo producing 260hp and 277lb-ft of torque. I'm curious about that and if it can be used for the next WRX/STI.
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Charles posted:
looks a million times better than the tribecabortion
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drgitlin posted:I don’t think you can even get a manual version? The 2.0L Ti with the LSD is about $40k though. That's what I'm saying, the lack of a stick shift on a brand that entirely trades off of nostalgia was a massive mistake. If I'm buying an unreliable Italian piece of garbage I should be able to shift my own gears. dissss posted:Which past Alfas have felt 'special'? the Alfa Twin Cam and the TwinSpark engines were good and sounded good
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Charles posted:
They're going to selll a million of those.
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Charles posted:
They hit this on the head for us, and the article sums it up well. Our Outback is the perfect size for two kids and a stroller with all the shopping we need, or add a skybox for a week’s worth of camping gear. We cross-shopped SUVs and bought the Outback because my wife grew up with one and I loved my old Forester. We probably don’t need a third row SUV, but it will be hard to say no if this one is even remotely decent.
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euphronius posted:They're going to selll a million of those. Only if they have a really good touchscreen infotainment and hvac controls and have the best in smart phone integration. They are the key to success these days. Just wrap that around in hard bars on the outside and 8 airbags in the inside and only then you sell millions.
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euphronius posted:They're going to selll a million of those. Yup. My wife has already expressed interest.
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Charles posted:
I thought you were having a laugh and posted a highlander.
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This rules and anybody who complains about it not having a Ford motor is boring. It's gorgeous.
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Because a Huracan with a body kit is super interesting. Look, I just want a mid-engine sports car with the flat-plane V8 out of a GT350. Is that so much to ask?
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Q_res posted:Because a Huracan with a body kit is super interesting.
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Q_res posted:Because a Huracan with a body kit is super interesting. No too much to ask, just that the V10 sounds gobs better than the 350's FPC V8 so why would you want to? Seriously every time I hear one in person all I hear is a vibrating trombone. They can be better with aftermarket headers unlike the completely hosed OEM ones, but to my ears they never sound good. Not even okay.
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BloodBag posted:I thought you were having a laugh and posted a highlander. I thought it looks like just like a Pilot. Not that it’s a bad thing, it looks fine. Just interesting that all manufacturers have zeroed in on the least offensive shape for bloated tall wagons. Except Lexus.
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Which manufacturer will be the first to put a sliding side door on one of those things and close the circle?
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Dear manufacturers please replace all "booth babes" with booth dogs please.
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MrYenko posted:Which manufacturer will be the first to put a sliding side door on one of those things and close the circle? This is going to happen, but it's going to be called something new and terrible like "Extreme Sport Utility Access Door" instead of just "sliding door". Minivans and wagons are coming back, but this time with higher ride height and branded as SUVs/CUVs. Every manufacturer under the sun has generic small-medium-large unibody platforms with 4 doors and a hatchback. They're basically cars and vans already, not trucks like the early SUVs. Guinness fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Dec 13, 2017 |
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There has to be some mechanical reason why they haven't put sliding doors on yet.
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euphronius posted:There has to be some mechanical reason why they haven't put sliding doors on yet. I'm willing to bet it isn't a mechanical reason at all and has everything to do with 'ew icky minivan'
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