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Safety Factor posted:We had a bit of that here with the Death Thread. It got to the point where people would happily argue with copy and pasted nonsensical B&C posts just so they could prove someone wrong about GW. Fortunately they really can't handle the dissonance of being exposed to differing opinions/rationality, so they ghettoise themselves to hide from the terrifying 'apologists'. Cooked Auto posted:The low point for me it felt like was around the early days of 8th edition or end of 7th, or at least some point earlier this year, when there was just so much general anger about GW and 40k/AoS everywhere I used to check for that kind of stuff that I felt like just giving up on the hobby because any positivity was so far between or just drowned in a massive sea of acid and piss. Same. GW had been poo poo for a very long time, and even though they had clearly started making moves to turn around a lot of people who seem happy with the state of things now still hadn't been won over. And the people who hate GW as some sort of pathological condition had become genuinely emotionally invested in seeing 40k get deleted like WFB. It wasn't great. Gyro Zeppeli posted:Between the sound and fury signifying nothing from most 40k fans, and from the surprisingly significant portion of Actual Nazis that have popped up in the 40k fanbase, I'm glad there's at least one reasonable place to discuss Wamhams. I imagine there is a hell of a lot of overlap in personality requirements for people who have Nazi leanings and people who spend their time in a hobby where they obsess endlessly about how they are being treated unfairly compared to other 'races' and the grand controlling cabal that seeks to oppress them.
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:I imagine there is a hell of a lot of overlap in personality requirements for people who have Nazi leanings and people who spend their time in a hobby where they obsess endlessly about how they are being treated unfairly compared to other 'races' and the grand controlling cabal that seeks to oppress them. Not to mention how easy it apparently is to miss "The Imperium isn't a particularly pleasant place".
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Corrode posted:Everyone seems to forget Grey Knights exist, which is the probably the worst you can say about a book. You can point to stuff in the SM book and criticise it, or say that Chaos is a little bland even though it's good, but GK may as well not be there.
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Yes, this is where GW could use a little bit of PP's process and sometimes release a book that has 1 or 2 options for several armies. The triumvirates were like that, but we don't really need a bunch of new HQs...
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GreenMarine posted:Yes, this is where GW could use a little bit of PP's process and sometimes release a book that has 1 or 2 options for several armies. The triumvirates were like that, but we don't really need a bunch of new HQs... I expect we'll see a return of these types of events once the basic books are squared away. Hopefully with better balance. 
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Der Waffle Mous posted:I get the feeling that's going to be the plan once everyone has a codex. Yeah that seems exactly like what the campaign books are going to be. Look forward to the Dakka whingeing when they "have" to carry 12 books thanks to campaign supplements, while simultaneously whingeing about any army not updated, and also about updated codexes which condense it all since they paid for a different product 2 years ago and they should never have to buy a new thing again.
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 ALL IS DUSSSSSSST.... That is a squad of my old Thousand Sons from around 1996. I haven't touched the hobby since before 4th Ed came out, having given away my armies to settle a debt. A few weeks ago the bug bit me again after watching some of Duncan's painting tutorials on the WarhammerTV YouTube channel. So I started up a new collection, beginning with the Thousand Sons box set.  poo poo IS STILL DUST, SON  Dipped into my old bitz crate to decorate some of the bases, old Chimera tank tred and old plastic skelly skull  More decorated bases, from the old Hunter-Killer missile, and an old Imperial Space Marines plastic beaky helmet.  Oh yes, scale creep is a thing. Two Beans fucked around with this message at 20:27 on Dec 10, 2017 |
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Karl Rove posted:It's frustrating because they're my chosen army too; I feel like they put out the codex so early because it required basically no work, since they only added a couple new options that were either just variations on an existing theme or units that regular SM got. Yeah same, trying to start an army with mostly terminators, but according to the B&C GK subforum, they are apparently the worst unit in the entire game  That could of course also just be the terrible bitter nerds from before whining about everything?
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HardCoil posted:Yeah same, trying to start an army with mostly terminators, but according to the B&C GK subforum, they are apparently the worst unit in the entire game They're not even close. Hell, they're not even the worst unit in the GK book.
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HardCoil posted:Yeah same, trying to start an army with mostly terminators, but according to the B&C GK subforum, they are apparently the worst unit in the entire game Terminators aren't top-tier (GK aren't as a whole) but if you're just looking to play casual games they're good + fun. B&C, Dakka and the rest are the worst way to understand this game because they don't have the first loving clue about anything - see the number of them which pop up on any tournament-oriented thread who start their post with "I avoid tournaments like the plague, but [strong & wrong opinion on balance/usefulness of units/whatever]." They'll happily condemn units as completely useless or unplayable in any context, with very little understanding of what they're talking about.
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HardCoil posted:Yeah same, trying to start an army with mostly terminators, but according to the B&C GK subforum, they are apparently the worst unit in the entire game
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Wasn't there a lot of disbelief not long ago because some guy won a GW tournament with an army that was basically written off online?
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Booyah- posted:This image was in the rumor engine thing last month and I reallllly hope it's an open-top admec transport: I just don't see Admech getting a one-off release any time soon. They have their book already and GW's got other things to pump out. When/if Fires of Cyraxus ever comes out from Forge World, you can expect a lot of love for Admech. Transports, even, but they'll be resin and expensive as hell.
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:Wasn't there a lot of disbelief not long ago because some guy won a GW tournament with an army that was basically written off online? Yeah, it was the dude from Tabletop Tactics winning Heat 1 of the GT with an Ultramarines list which was full of Tactical Marines. Dakka lost their minds trying to prove that the list was poo poo, and everyone he played was poo poo, and he'd have been much better off adopting all their pet obsessions instead, and so on and so forth. Tons of no-name nobodies claiming they'd beat him any day and they had a way better list, honest, they just haven't gone and smashed a GT because. Quite a lot of "he'd have lost if he played a real list like x!" and then flat-out ignoring that he played against exactly those armies and won. Lots of "he only won because he had Guilliman!" which is like, well yeah, he took good things and used them effectively, that's how the game works. It was like the Platonic ideal of guys who think lists are the only thing that matters getting absolutely chumped by that not being the case. People here expressed surprise too (I think Uroboros talked about playing something similar and having a hard time) but as is usual there was a lot more specific discussion of what weaknesses there were and why, rather than fury that someone had defied the bizarre Dakka narrative about what is and isn't brokenly overpowered/completely useless (there is no middle ground between the two). Living Image fucked around with this message at 21:11 on Dec 10, 2017 |
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Corrode posted:Terminators aren't top-tier (GK aren't as a whole) but if you're just looking to play casual games they're good + fun. B&C, Dakka and the rest are the worst way to understand this game because they don't have the first loving clue about anything - see the number of them which pop up on any tournament-oriented thread who start their post with "I avoid tournaments like the plague, but [strong & wrong opinion on balance/usefulness of units/whatever]." They'll happily condemn units as completely useless or unplayable in any context, with very little understanding of what they're talking about. Thanks, I thought as much. This will just be for fun, non-competetive games.
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Booyah- posted:This image was in the rumor engine thing last month and I reallllly hope it's an open-top admec transport: Wasn't there some dark Mechanicus rumoured too?
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Dark Mech probably wouldn't still have the holy cog symbol of the Machine God. Terrain is a safe bet.
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HardCoil posted:Thanks, I thought as much. This will just be for fun, non-competetive games. My knowledge isn't as deep as it could be but unless your list is extremely dumb I don't think there's anything completely unusable in 8th ed. It's not like the old 5th ed Chaos Spawn which were entirely pointless, or the original Pyrovore where it was more beneficial to have a 60pt empty space than to take one. For casual games of 8th, as long as you consider basic things (have I brought enough AT not to be neutered by a single Rhino, could I kill a mob of Boyz if I had to, etc.) you'll be fine.
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Safety Factor posted:We had a bit of that here with the Death Thread. It got to the point where people would happily argue with copy and pasted nonsensical B&C posts just so they could prove someone wrong about GW. as the guy who started the original death thread, gw back then really were circling the drain. it was not a good time. 8th edition's been fantastic so far, which i attribute entirely to all the old management getting kicked upstairs
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moths posted:Dark Mech probably wouldn't still have the holy cog symbol of the Machine God. Terrain is a safe bet. But the Machine God isn't strictly an Imperium thing. Isn't it actually considered at least slightly heretical?
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TKIY posted:But the Machine God isn't strictly an Imperium thing. Isn't it actually considered at least slightly heretical? The Admech's official version of the Machine God is an aspect of the Emperor of Mankind. Some tech priests worship it as a separate entity in secret. I'd imagine some Dark Mechanicus guys worship a version of the machine god but I'd expect them to have a badass daemon skull and a bunch of spikes incorporated into the normal Mechanicus symbol.
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Forums Terrorist posted:as the guy who started the original death thread, gw back then really were circling the drain. it was not a good time. 8th edition's been fantastic so far, which i attribute entirely to all the old management getting kicked upstairs
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Corrode posted:Yeah, it was the dude from Tabletop Tactics winning Heat 1 of the GT with an Ultramarines list which was full of Tactical Marines.
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Karl Rove posted:I found all the petty outrage over this army particularly hilarious as someone who plays historicals, because it's basically just what would be a mechanized infantry list led by a Cool Dude leader in any other game. It's not cheese or some kind of GI Joe silliness that 40k has sometimes, and they seem offended that "army of good troops with transports who shoot good" is a winning strategy. It was kind of the opposite - they thought the list was too poo poo, and shouldn't have won because only super-broken Imperial Guard lists were supposed to ever win anything so that the Dakka narrative that AM were insanely overpowered could be supported.
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Corrode posted:It was kind of the opposite - they thought the list was too poo poo, and shouldn't have won because only super-broken Imperial Guard lists were supposed to ever win anything so that the Dakka narrative that AM were insanely overpowered could be supported. Since the Machine God was just mentioned, I was thinking you meant the AM, not the AM, so I was confused for a bit about if you meant the AM or the AM, or- 
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goose willis posted:Do craftworld and dark versions of the Eldar associate or trade or communicate in any meaningful way or do they just avoid and/or kill each other on sight to the first point, dark and other kinds of eldar don't kill each other on sight, fights and wars between them are regarded as pointless wastes of limited eldar lives. which is not to say that they don't happen, there is only war etc., but they're something to be regretted and avoided by the lights of all eldar factions, even the drukhari to the second point, yes, an eldar can choose to shift from any of the major surviving eldar cultural blocs (craftworld, comorrah, harlequin, corsair, exodite) at any time. it's not super frequent but it does happen. yvraine, the ynarri prophet, was a Howling Banshee aspect warrior from (iirc) Biel-Tan who went into the Dark City to join a wych cult, then died in the fighting pits where the death god revived her to bring his world to the space elves etc. the craftworld rangers are on the path of the outcast, in which eldar who can't quite gel with the extremely strict and uptight life on the craftworlds go out into the galaxy to find adventure and burn off their restlessness. many rangers gravitate into corsair fleets, basically craftworld-associated eldar who live apart from the craftworlds full-time in pirate fleets that sail both the webway and realspace, but still wear soul gems and haven't gotten into the soul-drinking practices of the drukhari. it's already very hard for non-eldar to tell the difference between corsairs and dark eldar in practice, and there's enough cooperation and similarity between the two groups that switches from one to the other are definitely not unheard of. e: TKIY posted:But the Machine God isn't strictly an Imperium thing. Isn't it actually considered at least slightly heretical? back before the heresy Emps descended on Olympus Mons to confront the tech priests and proclaim himself the fulfillment of their omnissiah prophecy, that one day a man who was the perfect synthesis and master of flesh and mechanism would come to lead the machine cult back to the stars to reunite with its lost offspring forge worlds scattered across the galaxy. under the terms of the Treaty of Mars the machine cult was accepted into the imperium despite the atheistic Imperial Truth mostly by looking the other way regarding the martians' deification of machines generally and the emperor in particular. one of the main motivations of the schism that created the dark mechanicus during the heresy was that a growing number of tech priests rejected the dogma that underpinned the treaty of mars. emps outlawed certain ancient technologies and hoarded others, and what became the dark mechanics saw neither policy as choices appropriate to the actual master of machines. in m41, after millenia working with and for the traitor legions in both conventional space and interstitial realms like the maelstrom and eye of terror, many dark mechanicus have become outright worshipers of the chaos gods and these are responsible for many of the daemon engines the traitor legions field, but not all dark mechanicus hubs are in warp rifts, and plenty of sects may still long for the day when they can purge the mechanicus at large of its devotion to what they regard as a false omnissiah. 1994 Toyota Celica fucked around with this message at 04:56 on Dec 11, 2017 |
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Agentdark posted:Would anyone care if I used regular 40k drop pods for a Horus Heresy army? Only big loving nerds you shouldn't be friends with
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Agentdark posted:Would anyone care if I used regular 40k drop pods for a Horus Heresy army? They exist in 30k, so I don't see why not. My SoH Orbital Assault army has 5 in it at the moment.
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dexefiend posted:Tau players: should I give the Stealth Suit team leader a Fusion Blaster? Nah, not really worth it. The stealth suits don't have good enough BS to use it well, and a stealth suit with a burst cannon plus advanced targeting system is great at mulching infantry. For harder targets, a commander (or shadowsun) or a ghostkeel is a much more effective fusion carrier.
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Flavivirus posted:Nah, not really worth it. The stealth suits don't have good enough BS to use it well, and a stealth suit with a burst cannon plus advanced targeting system is great at mulching infantry. For harder targets, a commander (or shadowsun) or a ghostkeel is a much more effective fusion carrier. Thanks for this. This helps me understand why!
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Corrode posted:
I still really don't know how he won, considering what's out there. It isn't a bad list, there are just some really common counters to it running around. The kind of things that would be effective at countering it regardless of what type of units you used for your gun line.
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I remember when someone won a GT final against Tau with a genestealer list in the very midst of Tyranids suck and people were scratching their heads over that. Some people are excellent players. Also 8th is a fair bit more balanced than 7th, that may have an impact.
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Thundercloud posted:I remember when someone won a GT final against Tau with a genestealer list in the very midst of Tyranids suck and people were scratching their heads over that. Was it the #Lictorshame list? I remember seeing that and being impressed with how clever it was.
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