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CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
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They aren't directing, so I don't care that much about it.

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Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

Rough Lobster posted:

Could Aquaman mind control fresh water fish too? Because it would be pretty neat sending out swarms of pirhanas to skeletonize guys.

He can. In fact, in Brave and the Bold, Aquaman was able to communicate with silverfish just because "fish" is in their name.

Filthy Casual
Aug 13, 2014

The MSJ posted:

Speaking of cartoons, Teen Titans Go did this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTE_AHGnFDM&t=98s

Pro loving click.

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.
The Spider-Verse trailer didn't end with someone yelling "Change LEOPARDON!"

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
I really hope that's not an actual SpiderVerse story

Like

it'd be *REAL* lovely if Miles' first story is the one where there's a poo poo ton of Spider-Men running around. Kind of invalidates his role as Peter's successor

jimshua
Jun 11, 2017

there are three things im good at: counting and lists

The MSJ posted:

Oh, yeah. That looks good. I forgot Lord & Miller were making this movie, but are they directing it too?

Speaking of cartoons, Teen Titans Go did this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTE_AHGnFDM&t=98s

it's directed by household names Bob Persichetti and Peter Ramsey, and afaik it's their first directorial effort. it looks great

SolidSnakesBandana
Jul 1, 2007

Infinite ammo

bring back old gbs posted:

HOly loving poo poo this looks incredible. That falling scene is gorgeous



Just cancel all the live action movies and make them all 100% CG. Don't have to worry about big name actors anymore, and there can be more creative action scenes. Win/win. There's already so much CG and greenscreen in these existing movies that the live action stuff is holding them back.

SolidSnakesBandana fucked around with this message at 11:57 on Dec 10, 2017

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

bring back old gbs posted:

HOly loving poo poo this looks incredible. That falling scene is gorgeous



This is what happens when someone drops a truckload of money into an animation budget.

Oasx
Oct 11, 2006

Freshly Squeezed
I don't really care for the mix of 2D and 3D, but it doesn't look bad. It's about time we got some Marvel animation that doesn't look ultra cheap, they could learn something from DC when it comes to that.

McSpanky
Jan 16, 2005






It's really too bad they couldn't use some of that budget to lock down a consistent framerate. The design, the action beats, everything else is hella awesome, but being smooth one second and choppy the next with 3D models is a real bad look.

feedmyleg
Dec 25, 2004
It's not choppy, they're going for a stop-motion effect with some of the movement and texture-swapping. It's not like one of the artists hosed up and had their frame rate set to 15fps and they went "Well, too late to fix it now!" It's a really cool intentional stylistic effect. I love it.

McSpanky
Jan 16, 2005






3D animation is notoriously resource-intense to render and every project works under time and budget restraints. Sacrificing the framerate of simple walking sequences and the like so the lion's share of processing time can be dedicated to the showpiece action sequences is certainly an intentional choice, though.

Harime Nui
Apr 15, 2008

The New Insincerity

SolidSnakesBandana posted:

Just cancel all the live action movies and make them all 100% CG. Don't have to worry about big name actors anymore, and there can be more creative action scenes. Win/win. There's already so much CG and greenscreen in these existing movies that the live action stuff is holding them back.

This is what I'm saying, esp. after seeing Guardians of the Galaxy 2 and rewatching Civil War recently. It's the live action bits that really hold these movies back; they ought to be cartoons.

hiddenriverninja
May 10, 2013

life is locomotion
keep moving
trust that you'll find your way

WENTZ WAGON NUI posted:

This is what I'm saying, esp. after seeing Guardians of the Galaxy 2 and rewatching Civil War recently. It's the live action bits that really hold these movies back; they ought to be cartoons.

but my fancasting :negative:

KVeezy3
Aug 18, 2005

Airport Music for Black Folk

WENTZ WAGON NUI posted:

This is what I'm saying, esp. after seeing Guardians of the Galaxy 2 and rewatching Civil War recently. It's the live action bits that really hold these movies back; they ought to be cartoons.

The inability to use the medium's potential is the fault of the filmmakers. Speed Racer, Valerian, and Batman v Superman are fearless examples of embracing it.

bring back old gbs
Feb 28, 2007

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

McSpanky posted:

3D animation is notoriously resource-intense to render and every project works under time and budget restraints. Sacrificing the framerate of simple walking sequences and the like so the lion's share of processing time can be dedicated to the showpiece action sequences is certainly an intentional choice, though.

Yeah, if they did the opposite of what most animations do and spent the budget making sure all the fight scenes were 30fps and dipping back to 12fps for all the dialogue scenes that would be laudable. I think in this case it's a stylistic choice to do a CG/Stop Motion/Hand Drawn fusion. I noticed when I was making that falling gif there are a few frames of some 2D "!!!" and comic book attention lines that pop out from Spidey's face before he does his big swing. Like comic dialogue.

PotatoManJack
Nov 9, 2009
I actually like the look for Battle Angel. I think it hits the nail on the head of being close enough to human looking but not quite getting there, and that makes it really off-putting. It's that creepy feeling you get when something is trying really hard to be a person, but can't quite get there.

Gatts
Jan 2, 2001

Goodnight Moon

Nap Ghost
Maybe go Cartoons for general audience and just nut up and give the $300 million to the porn parody movies so fanatics can get their 100% literal visual translation of comic book bodies and costumes and accuracy to the big screen.

Electromax
May 6, 2007
Sad video but this is nice in response

https://twitter.com/ChrisEvans/status/939976020479938562

https://twitter.com/ChrisEvans/status/939981766701584384

hiddenriverninja
May 10, 2013

life is locomotion
keep moving
trust that you'll find your way

man I want to hang out with Captain America :sigh:

Phylodox
Mar 30, 2006



College Slice

hiddenriverninja posted:

man I want to hang out with Captain America :sigh:

I’ll help by bullying you viciously. You nerd.

Gonz
Dec 22, 2009

"Jesus, did I say that? Or just think it? Was I talking? Did they hear me?"

hiddenriverninja posted:

man I want to hang out with Captain America :sigh:

*bullies you into dust*

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

WB announced a revised slate of upcoming DC movies.

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/batman/warner-bros-unveils-updated-dc-films-slate-but-there-are-some-notable-omissions-a156238

quote:

Wonder Woman 2 was the first to be presented but the "2" was shown as "II" in Roman numerals, so that could be an indication of how the title will appear on promo art and the like moving forward.

Aquaman followed, as did Flashpoint, Suicide Squad 2, Shazam, Batgirl, Green Lantern Corps, The Batman, and Justice League Dark. That's an impressive lineup of movies but there are lots of movies which weren't mentioned, including Cyborg, Deathstroke, Gotham City Sirens, Harley Quinn, The Joker vs. Harley Quinn, Nightwing, the standalone Joker movie, and the long rumoured Justice League 2.

hiddenriverninja
May 10, 2013

life is locomotion
keep moving
trust that you'll find your way

Phylodox posted:

I’ll help by bullying you viciously. You nerd.

I'm drafting a tear filled social media post as we speak! you'll see jerks!

Harime Nui
Apr 15, 2008

The New Insincerity

I hope TTG parodies Cyborg losing his big solo movie

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
Everyone should play DUKE games.

:dukedog:

Is Whedon still directing Batgirl because :laffo:

A stand alone Joker movie sounds awful. Like After Silence of the Lambs came out and deranged serial killers were "cool" for that brief period where a kid could buy trading cards of Jeffrey Dahmer and stuff there was a Joker comic series that was the dumbest poo poo ever.

I think in that whole lineup the only things that I'd want to see are Suicide Squad 2 and Harley Quinn if they're able to get everyone back. Oh and of course Nightwing will be incredible.

What is Gotham City Sirens? Is that like Birds of Prey or whatever?

sub supau
Aug 28, 2007

Neo Rasa posted:

What is Gotham City Sirens? Is that like Birds of Prey or whatever?

Harley and Ivy's Lipstick Lesbian Adventure

SolidSnakesBandana
Jul 1, 2007

Infinite ammo

Neo Rasa posted:

Is Whedon still directing Batgirl because :laffo:

A stand alone Joker movie sounds awful. Like After Silence of the Lambs came out and deranged serial killers were "cool" for that brief period where a kid could buy trading cards of Jeffrey Dahmer and stuff there was a Joker comic series that was the dumbest poo poo ever.

I saw a guy who had the smile tattoo on his hand. I thought that was really strange. Your favorite character is The Joker? It's even weirder when they have a girlfriend that's into Harley Quinn. What about this appeals to you? The abuse? You know they're doing some freaky rear end sex poo poo. I've also seen a shitload of Zod emblems on the backs of cars, what is up with that?

Harime Nui
Apr 15, 2008

The New Insincerity
Mike Shannon owns

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours
Zod was correct.

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
Everyone should play DUKE games.

:dukedog:

SolidSnakesBandana posted:

I saw a guy who had the smile tattoo on his hand. I thought that was really strange. Your favorite character is The Joker? It's even weirder when they have a girlfriend that's into Harley Quinn. What about this appeals to you? The abuse? You know they're doing some freaky rear end sex poo poo. I've also seen a shitload of Zod emblems on the backs of cars, what is up with that?

I spoke to someone who was into that once and she said for a lot of women that the thing isn't the abuse but instead the power fantasy of "reforming" or having a person be into you such that they're an abusive dangerous character but not to you. The idealized situation of if Harley Quinn actually succeeded in getting the Joker to give a poo poo about her instead of the status quo of how the characters are usually portrayed.

Zod was the last hero and martyr of Krypton I guess, Michael Shannon is amazing.

TetsuoTW posted:

Harley and Ivy's Lipstick Lesbian Adventure

That seems like a license to print money that I'm surprised they haven't done already. Clips4sale has been eating WB's lunch for a decade.

Name Change
Oct 9, 2005


Phylodox posted:

I’ll help by bullying you viciously. You nerd.

Break him on video and then challenge Captain America to a fight.

Darko
Dec 23, 2004

SolidSnakesBandana posted:

I saw a guy who had the smile tattoo on his hand. I thought that was really strange. Your favorite character is The Joker? It's even weirder when they have a girlfriend that's into Harley Quinn. What about this appeals to you? The abuse? You know they're doing some freaky rear end sex poo poo. I've also seen a shitload of Zod emblems on the backs of cars, what is up with that?

Depends on the Joker. If its the Grant Morrison one, for instance, you see the world for the farce it is and see nothing really matters in the end. Etc. The Joker has even more portrayals than Batman, so people can latch on to any singular one. Nolan one believes people are naturally weak and selfish and will turn to selfish destruction if pushed in the right direction, and post-Trump society, there is a reason to take that kind of worldview, for instance,

Vintersorg
Mar 3, 2004

President of
the Brendan Fraser
Fan Club



Some people like villains, it's not a hard concept. It's the idea of a well made character.

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
I watched Spider-Man Homecoming

I have a few problems with it. First I'll say, it's easily better than Amazing Spider-Man 2, even if ASM2 has the single best Spider-Suit of them all. It might be better than Amazing Spider-Man but I honestly am not the one to ask about that, I've only seen ASM once. I MIGHT like it better than Spider-Man 3, honestly not sure.


So this isn't the WORST SPIDEY MOVIE EVER or any garbage like that. What it does do is something baffling. Does Uncle Ben exist in this universe? Because the way Peter acts for 90% of the film is like a Peter Parker that never lost Ben.

Like, he acts like the cocky, immature asshat who never learned that his actions have consequences that he always is before Ben gets shot. He just constantly fucks up and never takes anything seriously enough and is just a child- right up until he's trapped under the rubble. At that point he grows the gently caress up and starts acting like Peter Parker, a young one yeah but Peter Parker all the same.

Every situation Peter either causes or makes worse in the movie until the end. If this was intentional, it's interesting, but you're still left with a lovely person as the main character until he figures his poo poo out at the end. Regardless it's nice to see him develop and change, only...

Next we'll go to the best thing about this movie. The villains. The Vulture is fantastic, Keaton blows it away, and in ANY OTHER MOVIE he'd be the hero of the film. Shocker is fun though sadly under realized.

Keaton is just really goddamn good, and would have fit in perfect in the Raimi movies. His initial suit isn't great but his final improved wingsuit is fantastic.

A lot of the school poo poo is just awful teen drama nonsense that's just white noise, but they have some good scenes there.

The real problem of this segment is Liz Allen herself. She's just, not a character. Why does she like Peter? What does she think about things? What does she want from life?

In the movie she's just The Love Interest (but the temporary ones so don't worry)

She's The Point Of Drama between Peter and Keaton. The worst thing is, she didn't have to be. If time could have been spent on her she could have added a whole other layer to the entire movie, some extra depth. She could have been the love interest version of Harry Ozborn.

Here's how badly her character is treated- she never ONCE gets a scene alone with her dad. Not once. In the entire movie. They're barely on screen with one another as it is, and share like, three lines of dialogue. Because as far as this movie is concerned, she doesn't matter. But she should. SHE'S the emotional center of the loving film where all the characters revolve and their conflict with one another makes them both lose her. They just didn't want to do anything with her. Or maybe they couldn't. Maybe they didn't have time


Because instead of letting this be a real movie that stands on its own, we get Marvel poo poo intruding on it EVERY GODDAMN TIME. So we start the movie with Tony Stark loving over the little guy and driving them to crime with his illegal and shifty business practices.

We then spend the entire rest of the movie with Tony subbing in as Peter's dad and then are supposed to be so happy that he's getting married.

WHY ISN'T HE THE VILLAIN AGAIN?

Tony has learned absolutely nothing, and the movie should have ended with Peter calling him out on all of his ugly, stupid, corn-encrusted bullshit.

Instead Peter is still super nice with him and just goes on his merry way. You'd think he'd be bitter at Tony for making this whole ugly mess go down, or for not taking responsibility for what he has done, or ANYTHING. No. Nope. Nothing like that.

And then we get to the real problem with the Marvel poo poo.

Ever since Joss Whedon left, there has been this psychopathic urge to ruin every potentially serious or sincere scene with some kind of joke. This happens in Doctor STrange a loving lot, Thor, Guardians-

Civil War is about the only movie it doesn't happen in to my memory

And like okay. Thor 3 is mostly a comedy, sure fine.

Guardians is meant to be weird and insincere sure. Fine.


The story of Spider-Man Homecoming is not insincere, nor is it a comedy. Funny things can and DO happen, but they should be from the characters. Some of the stuff with Peter's friends is hilarious, Keaton gets a few good jokes here and there, but they're earned. They're a natural event of the narrative.

Whenever Marvel poo poo is happening, no matter what without fail, TO THE END WITH TONY AND PEPPER, some whacky tone shattering thing happens like a wet fart blaring over the sound track.

Happy tries to have a heart to heart with Peter- Toilet Gag!

Peter tries to be serious with Tony- YOU NAME IT

Peter's suit is the loving worst thing in the world. Karen is just the goddamn most awful and incoherent thing. One moment she's super savy and smart, the next she's super literal and does not get hu-mon thinking and emotions. I am so happy she's just gone from the movie after the two third mark.

The problem is that nothing is learned!

Peter learns NOTHING from this movie.

He accepts Tony's suit all over again instead of making his own. And we KNOW in Infinity War, he's going to accept the Iron Man Jr suit Tony made for him.

It's infuriating because there's a really good movie in here that I want to like, but all of this poo poo keeps happening that takes me right out of it.

I am dead tired of the Marvel Formula, and if this is how they want to treat Spider-Man, I'd rather Sony keep a tight hold on him.

Firstborn
Oct 14, 2012

i'm the heckin best
yeah
yeah
yeah
frig all the rest
oh, word?

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

I read somewhere that an reporter asked Marvel execs if they were going to have Uncle Ben’s death be a result of the Battle of New York to further integrate Spider-Man into the MCU. The execs said something like they weren’t comfortable with addressing hypothetical casualties from the battle.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours

Mr. Apollo posted:

I read somewhere that an reporter asked Marvel execs if they were going to have Uncle Ben’s death be a result of the Battle of New York to further integrate Spider-Man into the MCU. The execs said something like they weren’t comfortable with addressing hypothetical casualties from the battle.

Lmao.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours

Darko posted:

Depends on the Joker. If its the Grant Morrison one, for instance, you see the world for the farce it is and see nothing really matters in the end. Etc. The Joker has even more portrayals than Batman, so people can latch on to any singular one. Nolan one believes people are naturally weak and selfish and will turn to selfish destruction if pushed in the right direction, and post-Trump society, there is a reason to take that kind of worldview, for instance,

Well the most recent iteration is popular specifically because they come as a set. The guy who wants to be Jared Leto Joker is looking for his Harley, and what people are celebrating is right on the surface, that "damaged" people can be loved, kink is less stigmatized, etc.

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Brother Entropy
Dec 27, 2009

Burkion posted:

Civil War is about the only movie it doesn't happen in to my memory

tony and rhody's scene at the end getting cut off by the worst stan lee cameo yet

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