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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Burkion is clearly saying that Uncle Ben's death would fundamentally change Peter Parker and keep him from acting like a "typical" kid. I don't necessarily agree but that's what he's saying. Specifically the guilt of it, assuming it played out like it normally does. But here we don't even know if Ben was a thing so who knows
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Burkion posted:But here we don't even know if Ben was a thing so who knows In a way, I'm kind of glad of that. If I had to watch Ben get smoked for the third time in like ten years I would have thrown something at my television.
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Dec 11, 2017 18:39
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Burkion posted:Specifically the guilt of it, assuming it played out like it normally does. I didn't have a problem with it as The Lesson is that Spider-Man's powers shouldn't be used for personal gain, but instead to make a positive impact in the community. I got a lot of Spider-Man comics showing Peter Parker being a complete rear end, a petty jerk, a real cad, flakey, moronic, etc...never felt like he was behaving out of character. He's flawed, that's why I like him.
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Dec 11, 2017 18:42
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Captain America purposefully invited a white supremacist and his white supremacist family members to the Avengers premiere so he could introduce them all to bone jarring body blows and devastating uppercuts. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer
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Dec 11, 2017 18:47
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:I didn't have a problem with it as The Lesson is that Spider-Man's powers shouldn't be used for personal gain, but instead to make a positive impact in the community. Oh no, I've gone into that before too. My favorite Peter is the angry, bitter one that we've never gotten in film yet. I don't have a problem with Peter acting like this, my issue was how LONG he was acting like it. (Also why he stopped acting like it, because gently caress Stark) I also think that Vulture and Peter should have met much earlier in the movie, but that would require Liz Allen to be an actual character and we can't have that
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Dec 11, 2017 18:47
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Burkion is clearly saying that Uncle Ben's death would fundamentally change Peter Parker and keep him from acting like a "typical" kid. I don't necessarily agree but that's what he's saying. Maybe in this spiderverse Ben just deserted May years before, so pete never even knew him
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Dec 11, 2017 20:21
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Rough Lobster posted:Captain America purposefully invited a white supremacist and his white supremacist family members to the Avengers premiere so he could introduce them all to bone jarring body blows and devastating uppercuts. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer Nice. https://youtu.be/kbivKqvh-6g
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Dec 11, 2017 20:25
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Burkion posted:Oh no, I've gone into that before too. My favorite Peter is the angry, bitter one that we've never gotten in film yet. So basically, "Not my Spider-Man"? As that's been pointed among the MoS and BvS discussions, that is no longer a valid argument.
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Dec 11, 2017 20:34
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I prefer a Spiderman who knows his way around a skateboard, thank you.
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Dec 11, 2017 20:40
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Davros1 posted:So basically, "Not my Spider-Man"? As that's been pointed among the MoS and BvS discussions, that is no longer a valid argument. it can still be a bummer on a subjective level
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Electromax posted:I prefer a Spiderman who knows his way around a skateboard, thank you. Amazing Spider-Man has one of the best/worst examples of needing to provide backstory for some iconic part of the character. That skateboarding scene in the warehouse ends with a shot of a spider swinging on its web and then Peter swinging from chain to chain hanging from the ceiling. Like an audience wouldn't accept Spider-Man deciding to webswing between buildings without somehow establishing it earlier.
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Dec 11, 2017 20:52
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Brother Entropy posted:it can still be a bummer on a subjective level Not according to the DC threads, if one mentions they didn't like certain portrayals in Snyder's films.
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Dec 11, 2017 21:06
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Rough Lobster posted:Captain America purposefully invited a white supremacist and his white supremacist family members to the Avengers premiere so he could introduce them all to bone jarring body blows and devastating uppercuts. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer Close. What you do is invite them then have Captain America spend time with the kid meeting all the Avengers and pointing out what true teamwork is on the diverse Avengers roster and benefits to racial diversity are in the multicultural tapestry that is America and what the true heart and meaning of America and it’s high idealistic standards are and “leak” photos and such or that. Chris Evans literally becomes Captain America and gets a kid to reject white supremacy and his parents ideology. Unless he’s like 12 Years old and is totally like racist in which case poo poo but the attempt was made and PR was done!
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Dec 11, 2017 21:13
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Davros1 posted:Not according to the DC threads, if one mentions they didn't like certain portrayals in Snyder's films. Doing the Lord's work.
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Gatts posted:Close. What you do is invite them then have Captain America spend time with the kid meeting all the Avengers and pointing out what true teamwork is on the diverse Avengers roster and benefits to racial diversity are in the multicultural tapestry that is America and what the true heart and meaning of America and it’s high idealistic standards are and “leak” photos and such or that. Chris Evans literally becomes Captain America and gets a kid to reject white supremacy and his parents ideology. Wouldn't the Avengers roster have to be diverse first?
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Dec 11, 2017 21:18
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Gatts posted:Unless he’s like 12 Years old and is totally like racist in which case poo poo but the attempt was made and PR was done! "Captain America couldn't make it, but we tracked down the entire cast of Black Panther!" Wait what why is he crying I thought the kid wanted to meet a super hero??
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Dec 11, 2017 21:21
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Wouldn't the Avengers roster have to be diverse first? that's not fair, there's black sidekick and black sidekick 2 and uh...maybe scarlet witch if she's roma or jewish in the mcu?
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Dec 11, 2017 21:25
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Gatts posted:Close. What you do is invite them then have Captain America spend time with the kid meeting all the Avengers and pointing out what true teamwork is on the diverse Avengers roster and benefits to racial diversity are in the multicultural tapestry that is America and what the true heart and meaning of America and it’s high idealistic standards are and “leak” photos and such or that. Chris Evans literally becomes Captain America and gets a kid to reject white supremacy and his parents ideology. this is some saturday morning cartoon poo poo meeting celebs won't do a drat thing but embolden him to claim he is a victim to cover up his own mistakes, and i'm sure the second one of them say, "we're teaching keaton about racism" his mother will call them liberal agents trying to turn keaton into a gay prostitute for hollywood elites. he has to grow up, leave the nest, and hopefully not internalize his mother and father's racism as his own world view by maturing and meeting people with opposing view points that challenge him day to day when he willing to accept them. having the world's most expensive sensitivity training session is a waste.
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Dec 11, 2017 21:26
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Brother Entropy posted:that's not fair, there's black sidekick and black sidekick 2 and uh...maybe scarlet witch if she's roma or jewish in the mcu? Black Sidekick 2 and possibly Roma lady got kicked out and put in jail though.
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Dec 11, 2017 21:27
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Wouldn't the Avengers roster have to be diverse first? Wait...hang on...there Black Panther and Falcon and Scarlet Witch and Black Widow and Hulk is green...and a Raccoon and a sentient Tree and I swear like it makes sense. Half the roster has “Black” in their names and uh...there’s a robot and a Purple dude is totally powerful.
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Dec 11, 2017 21:28
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It’s interesting that spider-fans seem to genuinely hate the Uncle Ben character.
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Dec 11, 2017 21:29
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Black Sidekick 2 and possibly Roma lady got kicked out and put in jail though. Wait, is Black Widow even seen again in Civil War after she and Stark have their little post-airport argument and he peaces out to go to the sea prison?
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Dec 11, 2017 21:29
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Burkion posted:I watched Spider-Man Homecoming This is a pretty good write up. You seemed to have more problems than I did with it but a lot of your complaints are spot on for me. Glad to know I'm not the only person who didn't rave about it.
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Dec 11, 2017 21:30
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Uncle Ben isn't really a character though, in the same sense that someone like Flash's mom isn't a character. He/she just exists to give the main character motivation
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Dec 11, 2017 21:30
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And don’t forget Michael Pena is Latino and can punch dudes out with one punch and tell awesome stories.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:It’s interesting that spider-fans seem to genuinely hate the Uncle Ben character. uncle ben being replaced by uncle tony is the biggest reason i'm still skipping homecoming like, 'replacing blue-collar good values uncle ben with trust-fund arms dealer uncle pennybags' sounds like something you'd make up to make fun of ditko or some other libertarian jack-off in the comics industry but no, marvel studios poured millions going all in on that
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Dec 11, 2017 21:33
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I think the vulture being a hero and person to root for was a point of the movie?? Or am I really detached from Hollywood perceptions. Although I don't know where that house would exist in Queens
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Dec 11, 2017 21:34
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"Uncle Ben sells guns" is an excellent addition to "Uncle Ben is shot by a gun" and "Uncle Ben dies trying to steal a gun" in the cinematic Spider-Man roster.
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Dec 11, 2017 21:36
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Next reboot: Uncle Ben IS gun A Bio-Empathic Neutralizer designed by Richard Parker that accidentally killed its creator and resolved to raise its son John Wick of Dogs fucked around with this message at 21:40 on Dec 11, 2017 |
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Dec 11, 2017 21:37
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If they wanted to make a change like that Uncle Ben should have been Keaton/The Vulture.
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Dec 11, 2017 21:52
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Neo Rasa posted:If they wanted to make a change like that Uncle Ben should have been Keaton/The Vulture. It would work better if it ends with Iron Man blowing him away then going to Peter, giving him a new suit toy and declaring himself the parental figure
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Dec 11, 2017 21:55
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:It’s interesting that spider-fans seem to genuinely hate the Uncle Ben character. I've loved Uncle Ben ever since I read a "What If..?" comic book where Aunt May is killed instead of Ben. Turns out that (in that interpretation, anyway) Ben kind of a moralizing, controlling dumbass who gets Peter blackmailed by JJJ. Spider-Man ends up a bum, it rules.
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Dec 11, 2017 21:58
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:I've loved Uncle Ben ever since I read a "What If..?" comic book where Aunt May is killed instead of Ben. Turns out that (in that interpretation, anyway) Ben kind of a moralizing, controlling dumbass who gets Peter blackmailed by JJJ. Peter ends up a bum, it rules. Is that the one where they team up and Uncle Ben drives a van around, Micro-style, and MJ waits for Peter to get out of prison?
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Dec 11, 2017 22:00
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Lobok posted:Is that the one where they team up and Uncle Ben drives a van around, Micro-style, and MJ waits for Peter to get out of prison? No that's the second What If that was published 20 years later. (no joke!)
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Dec 11, 2017 22:01
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I'll always love the Rami Uncle Ben, because Peter is constantly disappointing him, and he does such a good job of being sad and disappointed all the time.
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Dec 11, 2017 22:01
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Neo Rasa posted:If they wanted to make a change like that Uncle Ben should have been Keaton/The Vulture. Sequel hook! Vulture used to date aunt may
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Dec 11, 2017 22:01
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Jiro posted:I'll always love the Rami Uncle Ben, because Peter is constantly disappointing him, and he does such a good job of being sad and disappointed all the time. Also Cliff Robertson is a super good actor and his confused and frightened "Peter???!??" is extremely legit.
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Dec 11, 2017 22:06
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Ben isn't replaced through. Uncle Ben still pretty clearly died. Peter learned the lesson of protecting those who you are able to protect. It's why he's so gung ho about participating in anything he possibly can. He's driven to do the most.
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Dec 11, 2017 22:14
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Uncle Ben sucks. Why is his catchphrase, "With great power comes great responsibility"? To a 15 year old kid in Brooklyn? Is he grooming Peter to run for Senate?
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porfiria posted:Uncle Ben sucks. Why is his catchphrase, "With great power comes great responsibility"? To a 15 year old kid in Brooklyn? Is he grooming Peter to run for Senate? He probably wanted this really smart kid to use his intellect for good and not to do something lovely like get into weapons manufacturing.
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