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Yaws posted:The problem is Jar Jar only get introduced 1/4 into the movie. No, he shows up 12 minutes into TPM which is nowhere near 1/4th of the movie. More like 1/10th actually. Not that it matters that much how early a protagonist shows up. Look at Luke, who doesn't appear in ANH until the 17 minute mark.
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Schwarzwald posted:I'm not trying to say that the Phantom Menace is the equal to Jurassic Park (or Oedipus) but rather to point out that criticizing it for not having an immediately identifiable main protagonist or main antagonist (Palpatine, btw) is very limiting. Many stories don't have main protagonists or antagonists. Many well respected stories don't. AOTC would have been a better argument, since its antagonist changes from Zam to Jango to Dooku right up to the very end where we learn that it was Palpatine all along, but again, that just makes it different, not an inherently bad narrative choice.
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Milky Moor posted:There haven't been any confirmed spoilers out in the wild yet. There are some people claiming certain things but nothing solid. Seems like Disney has people on Reddit and other places getting rid of them, even on the leak subreddits. There’s some stuff being corroborated from several sources. Lots of debate but I’m betting they are legit. If so, the movie is going to be prequel level divisive. Danger fucked around with this message at 01:57 on Dec 11, 2017 |
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Danger posted:If so, he movie is going to be prequel level divisive. 
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If accurate, hard core wookiepedia Star Wars fans are gonna haaaaate it. Definitely not following the mold. I kinda dig the bigger revelatory plot points. Also when he took the job Rian Johnson said he was a prequel fan, so there ya go.
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Can someone please tell who the gently caress is the main protagonist of Empire? I think its Lando. Is it Lando?
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Yaws posted:The problem is Jar Jar only get introduced 1/4 into the movie. That’s not a problem. Unless you mean that it is also a problem in Alien, 2001: Space Odyssey, and Star Wars Episode 4 A New Hope. The rule you invented is a fake rule. You made it up because, instead of simply reading the film, you decided to work backwards from your preexisting conclusion. You will now say anything and everything, regardless of whether it’s true or accurate, so long as it leads to a ‘win’. “The protagonist must be introduced in the first 15 minutes”, “the protagonist is the character with the most magic powers”, whatever. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 02:34 on Dec 11, 2017 |
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:“the protagonist is the character with the most magic powers” To be fair, this should always be true.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:That’s not a problem. Unless you mean that it is also a problem in Alien, 2001: Space Odyssey, and Star Wars Episode 4 A New Hope. Unlike Jar Jar Binks the examples you provided were given what we call character arcs. Again, you have no idea what you're talking about.
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SleepCousinDeath posted:Attack of the Clones might not look totally real but it looks loving dope The first part of this .gif is a perfect example of the comping issues. Look at his hair and face. Ugh.
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audience pov characters are dumb baby poo poo. i mean not always sometimes it works but really who needs that these days.
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Yaws posted:Unlike Jar Jar Binks the examples you provided were given what we call character arcs. I am writing about your stance, which is continually changing. Your first post said that Jar Jar cannot be the protagonist because he is racially inferior. Your next post said that Jar Jar cannot be the protagonist because he appears onscreen 12 minutes into the narrative. You are now claiming that Jar Jar has no character arc. That latest claim is also false. The character begins the film as a slacker who only helps out of a sense of obligation to Quigon, but then takes a moral stance when he learns yousa [Amidala’s] people gonna die. He fights at the end despite being terribly afraid.
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I dont even think Lucas was really thinking much about the old star wars when he was writing TPM. I think given the time he was probably thinking more about like, Jurassic Park
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viral spiral posted:Who's the main protagonist of TPM? You mean other than George Lucas? 
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Yaws posted:Unlike Jar Jar Binks the examples you provided were given what we call character arcs. Jar Jar has the most easily recognizable character arc in TPM.
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Jiro posted:You mean other than George Lucas? Luke S., a white middle-class motorhead with big dreams but no particular aspirations, is, by means of a projector, introduced to his destiny in a secret world where things can be done far beyond what most people believe possible, including a few notable demonstrations of unusual persuasiveness and audio-visual illusions.
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Bongo Bill posted:Luke S., a white middle-class motorhead with big dreams but no particular aspirations, is, by means of a projector, introduced to his destiny in a secret world where things can be done far beyond what most people believe possible, including a few notable demonstrations of unusual persuasiveness and audio-visual illusions. I can't help but read this with the SuperFriends narrator voice in my head.
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Jiro posted:I can't help but read this with the SuperFriends narrator voice in my head. Meanwhile, at the Hall of Justice...
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Phantom Menace switches protagonists halfway in, like Psycho. If only they had thought to give Jar Jar the eugenics test they would have learned that he was the true Sith Lord and stopped his evil plot.
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Hot tip for anyone who wants to revisit the OT but has seen them so many times that it's burned into your head and you can hardly watch it like a real movie: the radio dramas for the OT are on archive.org. Lines are tweaked and scenes are added to the point that it's still engaging if you have the films memorized.
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Ingmar terdman posted:Hot tip for anyone who wants to revisit the OT but has seen them so many times that it's burned into your head and you can hardly watch it like a real movie: the radio dramas for the OT are on archive.org. Lines are tweaked and scenes are added to the point that it's still engaging if you have the films memorized. This is most true for ANH, with each successive film having less and less "new" content.
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Mahoning posted:Hey guys! Only 3 more days until The Last Jedi! What are you guys discussing in h..... Honestly this is pretty standard Staf Wars thread discussion. We are still fascinated with the Fantom Menace nearly 20 years after it's release.
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Were the reviews good? I like bite-sized Twitter reviews, but I don't know how to work Twitter. *hint hint*
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They were glowing, but they were always going to be glowing.
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UmOk posted:Honestly this is pretty standard Staf Wars thread discussion. We are still fascinated with the Fantom Menace nearly 20 years after it's release. The fandom menace
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Kart Barfunkel posted:They were glowing, but they were always going to be glowing. But HOW glowing? Like best Star Wars since "Star Wars" glowing?
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Some media site for dinosaurs rounded them up. https://io9.gizmodo.com/the-first-impressions-for-star-wars-the-last-jedi-are-1821163099 Get hype!
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This movie is going to be very divisive. Remember Johnson is a big prequel fan; so this thread will have something to talk about for the next 20 years.
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Danger posted:This movie is going to be very divisive. Remember Johnson is a big prequel fan; so this thread will have something to talk about for the next 20 years. Why can't the prequels just be forgotten already? 
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Because they’re good.
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I really don't understand the hate for the prequels. I just really like star wars so whether they're objectively good or bad is completely irrelevant to my enjoyment of them 
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Kart Barfunkel posted:Because they’re good. I wholeheartedly disagree but it's nice that you like it. For me the only good prequel material was the Gendy Tartakovsky Clone Wars mini series. fridge corn posted:I really don't understand the hate for the prequels. I just really like star wars so whether they're objectively good or bad is completely irrelevant to my enjoyment of them . Honestly all my gripes have been said over and over by other people that explain it better, so I'll just say the Plinkett reviews on the prequels pretty accurately points out why I cannot stand them Jiro fucked around with this message at 23:07 on Dec 11, 2017 |
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A quick rundown: Star Wars fans don't actually like Star Wars.
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Also read a funny interview with Hamill today where I guess his son was big into the EU and told him about a bunch of stuff like Mara Jade and him having a kid and Hamill asked Rian Johnson why they couldn't do something like that and Rian pretty much told him to get out of here with that poo poo.
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PostNouveau posted:But HOW glowing? Like best Star Wars since "Star Wars" glowing? Yeah. Same stuff people said about TFA when it came out. The French and German initial reviews are, apparently, much less glowing.
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Milky Moor posted:Yeah. Same stuff people said about TFA when it came out. Ah, what do they know? I only trust people who've been flown in on Disney's dime to get treated to a bunch of cool Star Wars poo poo before seeing the film.
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