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I found the worst opinion https://twitter.com/elisabeth/status/940610349270695936
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:I found the worst opinion This might be the worst case of projection I've ever seen.
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Alter Ego posted:This might be the worst case of projection I've ever seen. I'm sure we'll see similar posts in uspol sometime today. https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/940613442397880320
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Dec 12, 2017 17:06
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:I'm sure we'll see similar posts in uspol sometime today. I remember when Klobuchar's first Senate win was after an especially ugly campaign against Mark Kennedy. These days it'd barely be a loving blip.
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Dec 12, 2017 17:23
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the faux-cowboy rape man is going to win, my friends
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Dec 12, 2017 20:08
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:I found the worst opinion What did it say, they deleted it.
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Dec 12, 2017 20:09
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Lightning Knight posted:What did it say, they deleted it. It was a woman of color saying she thinks the dems are bad because they just expect the AA vote, even though they don't really do anything about the problems facing AAs. I didn't think it was all that controversial, really.
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it's not deleted, she just fixed a mistake i think. tweet is here: https://twitter.com/elisabeth/status/940606122318278657
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Dec 12, 2017 20:17
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botany posted:it's not deleted, she just fixed a mistake i think. tweet is here: Oh I see. Well he was a prosecutor, I thought he was a US Attorney though? I mean but yeah, he probably did put a bunch of people in jail for a long time that didn't deserve it.
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Dec 12, 2017 20:20
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"now he campaigns by appeasing LGBTQ-haters, courting misogynists & racists" citation needed
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Dec 12, 2017 20:28
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botany posted:it's not deleted, she just fixed a mistake i think. tweet is here: Yeah I'm gonna need to see some evidence that he's done anything of the sort.
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Dec 12, 2017 20:29
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Lightning Knight posted:Oh I see. Well he was a prosecutor, I thought he was a US Attorney though? I mean but yeah, he probably did put a bunch of people in jail for a long time that didn't deserve it. I really don't like "he was a prosecutor and argued that PEOPLE SHOULD GO TO JAIL", almost as much as I hate "As a public defender HE DEFENDED BAD PEOPLE"
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Dec 12, 2017 20:32
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theflyingorc posted:I really don't like "he was a prosecutor and argued that PEOPLE SHOULD GO TO JAIL", almost as much as I hate "As a public defender HE DEFENDED BAD PEOPLE" why there is a big difference between putting people in jail for crimes they didn't commit or things that shouldn't be crimes, and defending people from those things gently caress prosecutors who continue to empower our incredibly racist justice system
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Dec 12, 2017 20:35
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theflyingorc posted:I really don't like "he was a prosecutor and argued that PEOPLE SHOULD GO TO JAIL", almost as much as I hate "As a public defender HE DEFENDED BAD PEOPLE" In my experience prosecutors care mostly about convicting people, regardless of whether it serves justice. Defense attorneys seem to primarily focus on everyone having the right to a vigorous representation, rather than seeing every client walk. These are very different things, hth.
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Dec 12, 2017 20:36
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I dunno that I have a solution to the problem but the fact that out justice system literally pays people to do everything they can to get a guilty verdict is pretty hosed up
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Dec 12, 2017 20:38
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If Jones loses I expect the narrative to shift to "Democrats picked a pro-slavery candidate, of course they lost!"
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Dec 12, 2017 20:38
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Koalas March posted:why a prosecutor is a fundamental part of a legal system that has criminal laws, so unless you're an anarchist it is stupid as gently caress to rant generally about a prosecutor instead of specific bad things you think the prosecutor did this is especially important for a us attorney, which is different from a local prosecutor w/r/t poor and minorities because federal prosecutors tend not to be doing the jailing of the poor and minorities on penny ante poo poo because it doesn't rise to the level of worth their time, and because a us attorney actually has substantial discretion in what to direct their office to focus on so you can look at what they specifically did instead of your general dislike for the system as a whole
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Dec 12, 2017 20:40
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cheetah7071 posted:I dunno that I have a solution to the problem but the fact that out justice system literally pays people to do everything they can to get a guilty verdict is pretty hosed up well, the solution would be to reform your justice system into something better. edit: evilweasel posted:a prosecutor is a fundamental part of a legal system that has criminal laws, so unless you're an anarchist it is stupid as gently caress to rant generally about a prosecutor instead of specific bad things you think the prosecutor did prosecutors might be necessary, but adversarial systems are not. botany fucked around with this message at 20:44 on Dec 12, 2017 |
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Dec 12, 2017 20:41
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If you don't like prosecutors, I don't think you'll like the system where the judge and prosecutor roles are filled by the same person much better.
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xrunner posted:In my experience prosecutors care mostly about convicting people, regardless of whether it serves justice. Defense attorneys seem to primarily focus on everyone having the right to a vigorous representation, rather than seeing every client walk. These are very different things, hth. it's literally the defense attorney's job to do their utmost to have each and every client walk, within ethical limits, no matter how guilty they are you're confusing their explanation of why their job is what it is with what their job is, which is the sort of mistake that makes me doubt your actual experience here
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evilweasel posted:a prosecutor is a fundamental part of a legal system that has criminal laws, so unless you're an anarchist it is stupid as gently caress to rant generally about a prosecutor instead of specific bad things you think the prosecutor did nah I feel pretty confident saying gently caress the justice system as a whole. It needs to be dismantled and reassembled from top to bottom.
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Koalas March posted:nah I feel pretty confident saying gently caress the justice system as a whole. To what
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Dec 12, 2017 20:45
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theflyingorc posted:To what how about something less racist to start yall are acting like I have a problem with prosecutors as a profession, I don't. I have a problem with the way the prosecutors we have now choose to prosecute, which is racist af I didn't realize "replace everybody with people that aren't racist" was a controversial opinion #BlackLivesMatter guys
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Dec 12, 2017 20:48
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Koalas March posted:nah I feel pretty confident saying gently caress the justice system as a whole. you've managed to stretch something fairly reasonable, that our justice system is generally bad, into something where you are stupid and your point is stupid, and you will probably support your stupid point by gesturing vaguely in the direction of a correct thing, and insist that your ignorance is actually knowledge. how i know this is because i pointed to specific important details and you did precisely that. those details are important when judging a specific person on a separate matter which is why it is important. if doug jones is good or bad depends on what he did in the justice system, not your thoughts on the justice system as a whole.
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Dec 12, 2017 20:49
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Koalas March posted:I didn't realize "replace everybody with people that aren't racist" was a controversial opinion I completely agree with you that there's endemic racism in the system, and it's awful and terrible and more needs to be done to root it out.
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evilweasel posted:you've managed to stretch something fairly reasonable, that our justice system is generally bad, into something where you are stupid and your point is stupid, and you will probably support your stupid point by gesturing vaguely in the direction of a correct thing, and insist that your ignorance is actually knowledge. how i know this is because i pointed to specific important details and you did precisely that. I was never talking about doug jones specifically. calm the gently caress down and stop being a dick jeez 
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Dec 12, 2017 20:51
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Koalas March posted:how about something less racist to start ok, what are your problems with the proprietorial decisions made by the us attorney for the state of alabama for the years 1997-2001
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Koalas March posted:I was never talking about doug jones specifically. calm the gently caress down and stop being a dick jeez Well, it would be easy to get confused and think you're talking about Doug Jones specifically, since that's what the person you quoted was responding to. The specific accusations against Jones since he was a prosecutor: botany posted:it's not deleted, she just fixed a mistake i think. tweet is here:
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Koalas March posted:I was never talking about doug jones specifically. calm the gently caress down and stop being a dick jeez then it was an odd time to post your thoughts in a discussion on someone's specific criticism of doug jones
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evilweasel posted:ok, what are your problems with the proprietorial decisions made by the us attorney for the state of alabama for the years 1997-2001 this is such a stupid line of questioning. KM is clearly, clearly saying that the endemic racism in the justice system makes every prosecutor complicit, because that's what racist systems do. that's independent of any one individual. you can tuck your law pee pee back into your law pants.
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evilweasel posted:it's literally the defense attorney's job to do their utmost to have each and every client walk, within ethical limits, no matter how guilty they are Most goons’ actual experience is watching Matthew McConnaughy lawyer movies.
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botany posted:this is such a stupid line of questioning. KM is clearly, clearly saying that the endemic racism in the justice system makes every prosecutor complicit, because that's what racist systems do. that's independent of any one individual. you can tuck your law pee pee back into your law pants. Indeed anyone who pays taxes is complicit. Sorry For the 
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evilweasel posted:then it was an odd time to post your thoughts in a discussion on someone's specific criticism of doug jones I was responding to theflyingorc who was talking about the general opinions of prosecutors vs public defenders. I never quoted anything about Doug Jones. Like I get that you guys are loving on edge, but don't loving jump on the black person talking about how lovely and racist prosecutors are just because you're all rooting for a different prosecutor to win a loving election.
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botany posted:prosecutors might be necessary, but adversarial systems are not. the square root of negative one is i
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poo poo like this is exactly why black folks don't trust yall fyi
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Dec 12, 2017 20:58
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yronic heroism posted:Indeed anyone who pays taxes is complicit. Sorry For the It's almost as if there's a difference between a taypayer and an active tool of the system.
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axeil posted:Please describe a justice system that doesn't have prosecutors and yet somehow still remains impartial/fair. Koalas March posted:yall are acting like I have a problem with prosecutors as a profession, I don't. I have a problem with the way the prosecutors we have now choose to prosecute, which is racist af
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Koalas March posted:
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axeil posted:Please describe a justice system that doesn't have prosecutors and yet somehow still remains impartial/fair. When asked upthread what they meant by "reform" their answer was "fire the racist fuckheads and hire non-lovely people" which is a pretty good if hard to execute plan imo
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