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Koalas March posted:The only explanation I have is that it must Look at it from the class and power perspective: which racial group in america hoards the bulk of the economic and social privilege in this country? Which racial group do white women belong to?
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gen z it is gen z you weirdos. why does this come up every 1000 pages https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_Z
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Dec 13, 2017 07:12
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Pakled posted:Senator Doug Jones (D-AL) Same
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You can use Xennial to refer to older Millenials, but the actual band is stupid narrow: born between 1977 and 1983 , which is really silly.
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skylined! posted:gen z That name ain't going to stick around much longer than Gen Y did.
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Just woke up. Is hope a thing again?
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Dec 13, 2017 07:13
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skylined! posted:gen z Not unless there's a zombie apocalypse.
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Dec 13, 2017 07:13
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Good news out of Alabama tonight. It's too bad that it took Moore being a pedophile for Jones to just barely win. Let's get more indictments from Mueller or something to ease the pain of Net Neutrality getting killed on Thursday.
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teen witch posted:I just don’t get how it’s clear as loving day that white supremacy does not give an iota of poo poo towards the welfare of women outside of them being ambulatory wombs. Like it’s hard to take a voting block seriously when they continuously support the candidates that would rather see them behind a stove than an office desk. Even as a mixed race gal like, how do you not have that internal signal of “this person loving hates my existence, they can die in a ditch”? They can't come to terms with that because then that means they have no allies but themselves and accepting that white supremacy is white male supremacy, with white women just being First among the "lessers" instead of above those groups as well. Carlosologist posted:there really needs to be a different term for kids who are coming of age next year. I mean, potential voters will have been born in 2000 by next November, and the range increases to 2002 by 2020. Post-milennial maybe? Something catchy to go with the Great Recession, since it was an event that shaped the world they grew up in from 2009-2020? The next generation after us (millennials) is Generation Z. Though it'll probably get some weird name like the Social Media Generation or the "my parents documented my entirely life on myspace and now facebook" generation.  I know I'm barely a millennial but I know a ton of people my age (mid 30s) who were conservative growing up and as the GOP has rushed to the right (especially post 9/11) we've moved left, while some stayed still and ended up to the left by virtue of the GOP's rightward sprint.
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mango sentinel posted:Post-millennial is the YouTube Generation. Even as an older Millenial I'm pretty sure I'm still a huge YT
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Dec 13, 2017 07:14
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Koalas March posted:The only explanation I have is that it must From personal experience with family in that area, the primary driving factor is that everything is driven off of principle and gut feel. No examination of numbers, statistics, or any hard evidence is worthwhile. All that matters is your bible, your beliefs, and what your gut tells you. In reality, this translates into what the men on TV tell you. It's incredibly toxic, and the epitome of "you can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into."
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Yeah a lot of younger millenials are way too the left of me. The early 90's was a lot of communism sucks capitalism rules that they missed out on.
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Katt posted:Just woke up. Is hope a thing again? Pakled posted:Senator Doug Jones (D-AL)
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Realtalk I'm just happy I wont have to see some of you people complaining that jones only lost because he wasn't left enough in goddamn Alabama.
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Dec 13, 2017 07:15
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Mantis42 posted:I'm a medium millenial, I guess? I was born in 91. I was a lot more well read and up to date on current issues than most other kids (being a weird nerd), and if I ever entertained a conservative thought the Bush era scared my rear end straight. I was a socialist by the time I was in highschool. 91 calling in, we’re medium, we’re rare, and medium-rare is the best 
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teen witch posted:I just don’t get how it’s clear as loving day that white supremacy does not give an iota of poo poo towards the welfare of women outside of them being ambulatory wombs. Like it’s hard to take a voting block seriously when they continuously support the candidates that would rather see them behind a stove than an office desk. Even as a mixed race gal like, how do you not have that internal signal of “this person loving hates my existence, they can die in a ditch”? Everyone assumes the leopard is only going to eat other people's faces.
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Dec 13, 2017 07:15
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We shouldn't underestimate just how smooth of a political operator Steve Bannon really is. He got a Democrat elected in Alabama, the man's a genius.
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Dec 13, 2017 07:16
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Peven Stan posted:lol if you think white women have ever had the best interests of poc/woc in mind the women of 2nd wave feminism are still alive and kicking
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Dec 13, 2017 07:16
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Ague Proof posted:We shouldn't underestimate just how smooth of a political operator Steve Bannon really is. He got a Democrat elected in Alabama, the man's a genius. This is the best
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Dec 13, 2017 07:16
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FamDav posted:the women of 2nd wave feminism are still alive and kicking they all white?
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Dec 13, 2017 07:17
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Office Pig posted:91 calling in, we’re medium, we’re rare, and medium-rare is the best Tender on the outside, Red on the inside 
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Dec 13, 2017 07:17
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If you werent alive in the early 90's you missed out on all the horror stories coming out of the declassified soviet union documents.
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Dec 13, 2017 07:18
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Aramis posted:You can use Xennial to refer to older Millenials, but the actual band is stupid narrow: born between 1977 and 1983 , which is really silly. Not really. This is the group which would have just gained political consciousness when the Berlin Wall fell. As someone in that gap I feel it’s significant. Also probably because grouping people by arbitrary epochs doesn’t work too well.
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Dec 13, 2017 07:18
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Crows Turn Off posted:Good news out of Alabama tonight. It's too bad that it took Moore being a pedophile for Jones to just barely win. Didn't some of the exit polls suggest that the pedophile thing wasn't that big of a swing? Edit: my first political memory was Bill Clinton thanking Nickelodeon for the kids choosing him in a kids vote thing
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Dec 13, 2017 07:19
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Blitz7x posted:Didn't some of the exit polls suggest that the pedophile thing wasn't that big of a swing? It was close to a 50/50 split who believed it or not based on the one I saw.
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Dec 13, 2017 07:19
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AsInHowe posted:I don't remember the Berlin Wall or the USSR, but remember 9/11. First political memory is Clinton winning in 1996. Or GHW Bush a hockey card. Gen Xer near Millennial territory, my first real political memory is the Berlin Wall coming down after a childhood of knowing nothing but Reagan. Basically I had just realized the horror of nuclear armageddon before the Soviet Union fell and spent a couple years nervous that some breakaway republic would use their nukes and trigger WWIII because 80s action movies had conditioned me to expect that kind of scenario. That kind of worry subsided a long time ago but I have to admit Trump makes it creep back at moments. If anyone can stumble dumbly into nuclear war it's him. edit: Xennial huh, defined by the Berlin Wall, guess that's me. Phobic Nest fucked around with this message at 07:22 on Dec 13, 2017 |
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Blitz7x posted:Didn't some of the exit polls suggest that the pedophile thing wasn't that big of a swing? It'll probably be hard to tell for awhile how big of a deal the pedophile thing was, because we have to know just how much the white R vote was demotivated from voting to know how big of an impact it had. The margin of victory was 2 points, though, and it's probably not a bold statement to say that Moore being a pedophile put Jones over the top.
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Edmund Lava posted:Not really. This is the group which would have just gained political consciousness when the Berlin Wall fell. As someone in that gap I feel it’s significant. you think six year olds were politically concious?
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Dec 13, 2017 07:21
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loving  that you can run against a well-known pedophile in Alabama and still win by only 1.5%.
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Dec 13, 2017 07:22
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:A lot of my classmates were pretty conservative, but after going through all of that they either stopped talking about it or became hardcore democrats. I also lived through 9/11 as a highschool freshman, in Oceanside, CA. For those who don't know, that's the town abreast to Camp Pendleton Marine base, in one of the reddest parts of the state. Needless to say I was awash in a very strong pro-war sentiment, and I can't say I wasn't caught up in it as a dumb teenager who didn't have a clue what I believed in. I still remember being led by a classmate into agreeing in the moral wrongness of "using abortion as a form of birth control because you regret having sex with somebody." Above all from that time period, one thing has stuck with me: a political cartoon that was stuck on the board by my French teacher. It was the Paris skyline being consumed by a mushroom cloud with the caption 'That's it! Let's quadruple the inspectors!' I still feel kind of ill when I think about it, even with all that's happened recently. Unity birthed from nothing but raw anger is unpleasant to remember.
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Edmund Lava posted:Not really. This is the group which would have just gained political consciousness when the Berlin Wall fell. As someone in that gap I feel it’s significant. The Berlin Wall Fell in 1989. 6 year olds are not politically conscious. Most 12 year olds barely care about the politics they've read about in their Social Studies class, let alone have any sort of political awareness.
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BlackIronHeart posted:I just turned 35 and I'm technically a Millenial according to some. I was 18 when 9/11 happened and I got to watch family members and friends from high school get shipped off to Afghanistan and Iraq. I will never vote for a Republican for as long as I live. I was a month into my first semester at college when the stock market crashed in 2008, and I feel the same way. I’m 27, almost 28. I didn’t follow 2000, but my memory of 9/11 is clear as hell. 2004 was the first election I was fully aware of from start to finish.
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Evil Fluffy posted:The Berlin Wall Fell in 1989. I remember the Bush Dukakis election, although admittedly only because their names were funny.
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Dec 13, 2017 07:25
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Edmund Lava posted:Not really. This is the group which would have just gained political consciousness when the Berlin Wall fell. As someone in that gap I feel it’s significant. Likewise, I was at the "pew! pew! war is fun!" age when Desert Storm began, which definitely tainted my perceptions for a while. While I personally like the Xennial label because it really describes my life experiences, I find that in the grand scheme of things, it's not very useful apart from me and my peers being able to nod in agreement at it, since it refers to so few people. It's not like we represent a large market or voting block, so the exercise seems purely intellectual to me. Aramis fucked around with this message at 08:04 on Dec 13, 2017 |
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Ague Proof posted:We shouldn't underestimate just how smooth of a political operator Steve Bannon really is. He got a Democrat elected in Alabama, the man's a genius. I'm so tired of this winning Won't someone cure me of all of this winning?
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Evil Fluffy posted:The Berlin Wall Fell in 1989. The only reason I was remotely conscious before I was in high school was my dad let me watch West Wing with him during... season 2 so I was 8? Joke's on him, I just wanted to stay up late. Joke's on me, it irreparably damaged my political outlook and now I'm a hopeless idealist.
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Regarding the willful ignorance discussion, this article has probably been shared around here before, but it seems appropriate to share again: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/02/27/why-facts-dont-change-our-minds "As a rule, strong feelings about issues do not emerge from deep understanding..." So yeah, like Dirk the Average said. Gut feeling. And related: https://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/conspiracy-thinking-and-epistemology/ "We find that individuals who trust their intuition, putting more faith in their ability to use intuition to assess factual claims than in their conscious reasoning skills, are uniquely likely to exhibit conspiracist ideation." They're just surface level examinations of some really deep stuff, but together they paint a fairly scary picture of human cognition: It's bad.
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So what do you think hurt Moore more, the pedophilia or the literal 'You know what would be swell, having slavery again' talks?
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the talent deficit posted:you think six year olds were politically concious? Not really, no. 8-9 is more reasonable. From my understanding 83 babies get lumped in because they’re more likely to have older siblings who were aware of what was going on. Again it gets confusing when we get to the borders of what’s a “generation”.
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