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SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

~* Challenge *~


Climbing the ladder is fun when you have an OP hero to slam pick and carry you from silver to platrip my favourite son zul'jin

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Toshimo
Aug 23, 2012

He's outta line...

But he's right!
HL is broke right now. Do your placements next week. HTH.

Fried Watermelon
Dec 29, 2008


Played a qm game against a hanzo and its laughable how easy he is to fight if you have any stuns or roots

NeurosisHead
Jul 22, 2007

NONONONONONONONONO

Toshimo posted:

HL is broke right now. Do your placements next week. HTH.

Something seems off. I had a placement last night where two of the people on my team had completed theirs, and placed bronze 4 and plat 3. I don't think the spread is supposed to be that broad, even when 3 people on the team are still doing placements.

Elysium
Aug 21, 2003
It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.
Was just watching Bakery's stream, and while everyone was off teamfighting, at 12 minutes a minion wave with catapults + mercs which debuff structures now waltzed into their core and shredded it in like 20 seconds. Full health core with no real reason for anyone to be worrying about winions to all of a sudden "holy poo poo our core is at 30%, oh, we're dead"

Seebach
Jul 14, 2012

I'm not a very good Hanjo...

I've won both of the games I've played as him.

BrianBoitano
Nov 15, 2006

this is fine



Elysium posted:

Was just watching Bakery's stream, and while everyone was off teamfighting, at 12 minutes a minion wave with catapults + mercs which debuff structures now waltzed into their core and shredded it in like 20 seconds. Full health core with no real reason for anyone to be worrying about winions to all of a sudden "holy poo poo our core is at 30%, oh, we're dead"

Thanks for the heads up. Found it and clipped it:

https://clips.twitch.tv/SmoggyThankfulRingEleGiggle

Seebach
Jul 14, 2012

So kids are using new slang terms that I'm not understanding.

what does SP mean?

Toshimo
Aug 23, 2012

He's outta line...

But he's right!

Seebach posted:

So kids are using new slang terms that I'm not understanding.

what does SP mean?

Specialist?

Talmonis
Jun 24, 2012
The fairy of forgiveness has removed your red text.
Finding that Valeera a blast to play now, though I'm seeing she's pretty soft countered by Nova and Samuro due to the decoy/illusions being smarter and popping your stealth, along with it being difficult to initiate not knowing which they are before you're focused down. I did use her to murder Illidan 1v1 multiple times, butcher Tracer (stun into blind? sheer comedy), slaughter Chromie, Kel'Thuzad and Kaelthas, and overall make healers lives miserable when they don't have a personal bodyguard waiting for only me (Seriously, eat a bag of dicks whoever you were Nova).

Nova feels really strong. That baseline snipe quest makes deleting low health heroes a breeze, and pinning shot ensures it's going to hit.

Hanzo is a pain in the rear end. "Hey, let's release the stealth changes, the same day we release an anti-stealth character!" Stupid sonic arrow, ruining my "cunningly" planned ambushes.

People facechecking bushes and not seeing your entirely invisible rear end? Priceless.

Sindai
Jan 24, 2007
i want to achieve immortality through not dying
Wait, clones will AA stealthed heroes? That seems like an oversight.

Bogart
Apr 12, 2010

by VideoGames

Seebach posted:

So kids are using new slang terms that I'm not understanding.

what does SP mean?

Style points. B)

HelixFox
Dec 20, 2004

Heed the words of this ancient spirit.

Sindai posted:

Wait, clones will AA stealthed heroes? That seems like an oversight.

Nova's clones cast Snipe and presumably the new AI knows to target it at other stealthers.

Talmonis
Jun 24, 2012
The fairy of forgiveness has removed your red text.

HelixFox posted:

Nova's clones cast Snipe and presumably the new AI knows to target it at other stealthers.

It's this. Stealth gets popped from one hell of a range away (her range on decoy cast, plus snipe range...) and Vanish goes on cooldown. Then, if I know where the real Nova is, I might be able to sinister strike away and flee before she can tag me with a crippling shot. If I don't, and guess wrong? She puts holes in me, and there is no escaping. Either way, I'm zoned out of the teamfight for at least 7 seconds, and the primary target is safe.

Kith
Sep 17, 2009

You never learn anything
by doing it right.


Nova's clones use basic Adept AI, playing as if they were actual Novas.

So yeah, they know how to pop someone out of stealth.

Mierenneuker
Apr 28, 2010


We're all going to experience changes in our life but only the best of us will qualify for front row seats.

The AI has been able to detect stealth for a long while (if not always). Before the stealth changes, before the AI improvements.

Combined with their instant response times for CC it makes playing stealthers in vs AI pointless. You get situations where you could 1vs2 real players, but against the AI you end up the one being murdered.

Mierenneuker fucked around with this message at 18:40 on Dec 13, 2017

Sindai
Jan 24, 2007
i want to achieve immortality through not dying
I was asking about Samuro clones, since they don't have any skill shots to reveal with it seemed like a weird thing to say.

Sindai fucked around with this message at 18:40 on Dec 13, 2017

Talmonis
Jun 24, 2012
The fairy of forgiveness has removed your red text.

Sindai posted:

I was asking about Samuro clones, since they don't have any skill shots to reveal with.

I misspoke, I haven't seen Samuro yet, and was mainly referring to the clones preventing me from initiating properly without knowing who is who. Presumably he can't pop you out, but he can waste your vanish, and/or make you take too long picking the right one to initiate and get popped by someone else.

Henker
May 5, 2009

Oof, the Xmas skin bundle is 40 goddamn dollars. I really just want one of the Valla skins. I would have paid 20 like the Halloween bundle was, but no, they had to throw another 5 skins and a mount in the thing too.

HelixFox
Dec 20, 2004

Heed the words of this ancient spirit.

Power Bottom posted:

Nova's clones use basic Adept AI, playing as if they were actual Novas.

They're pretty good at acting just human enough that it's a lot easier to trick other players now. Best result so far is I got a Muradin to dive the clone and haymaker it into his team earlier today.

bio347
Oct 29, 2012

Mierenneuker posted:

The AI has been able to detect stealth for a long while (if not always). Before the stealth changes, before the AI improvements.
I think the AI has always pretty much always been able to see stealth. I remember it being very obvious early on, when you could watch them literally turn and stare at you even if their character (or difficulty/ruleset) prevented them from doing anything about it.


HelixFox posted:

They're pretty good at acting just human enough that it's a lot easier to trick other players now. Best result so far is I got a Muradin to dive the clone and haymaker it into his team earlier today.
And also after 16, Lethal Decoy makes their damage noticeable enough to cause that initial Nova-panic.

blastron
Dec 11, 2007

Don't doodle on it!


Did they walk back on the decision to despawn the second boss camp on a map if the first one gets captured, or did I make that whole thing up in my head? I was playing on Cursed Hollow yesterday, got boss, and was still able to get the other one while the enemy team was dealing with the first.

Kith
Sep 17, 2009

You never learn anything
by doing it right.


blastron posted:

Did they walk back on the decision to despawn the second boss camp on a map if the first one gets captured, or did I make that whole thing up in my head? I was playing on Cursed Hollow yesterday, got boss, and was still able to get the other one while the enemy team was dealing with the first.

I have no idea what you're talking about so you probably made that up.

bamhand
Apr 15, 2010

Power Bottom posted:

I have no idea what you're talking about so you probably made that up.

It was definitely listed in the PTR notes at some point. Maps with two bosses would temporarily despawn one boss after the other one was capped.

Bogart
Apr 12, 2010

by VideoGames
Yeah, it was because of the weird Kloctus bug where a third boss would spawn if both were taken. Broken in ranked play. Almost got Fan banned.

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:
Pretty sure the new ranking system is just straight up broken

Gobbeldygook
May 13, 2009
Hates Native American people and tries to justify their genocides.

Put this racist on ignore immediately!

NeurosisHead posted:

Something seems off. I had a placement last night where two of the people on my team had completed theirs, and placed bronze 4 and plat 3. I don't think the spread is supposed to be that broad, even when 3 people on the team are still doing placements.
Matchmaking might be more broken than usual but rainbow teams have always been a thing. There was a clip a few weeks ago of chu8 getting a bronze 5 on his team, paired with a bronze 2 on the other team. They were a legit bronze 5 dehaka.

Gobbeldygook fucked around with this message at 21:13 on Dec 13, 2017

BrianBoitano
Nov 15, 2006

this is fine



Power Bottom posted:

I have no idea what you're talking about so you probably made that up.

To be fair to you, it wasn't in the official PTR patch notes, but then it was acknowledge in dev interviews and confirmed as implemented in PTR.

That said, gently caress off with this ignorant poo poo posting.

Toshimo
Aug 23, 2012

He's outta line...

But he's right!
Nova clone AI is still hit or miss. I've popped it in the middle of a group of minion and had it just sit there not attacking or moving for its entire duration.

Star
Jul 15, 2005

Guerilla war struggle is a new entertainment.
Fallen Rib

blastron posted:

Did they walk back on the decision to despawn the second boss camp on a map if the first one gets captured, or did I make that whole thing up in my head? I was playing on Cursed Hollow yesterday, got boss, and was still able to get the other one while the enemy team was dealing with the first.

Did they ever say they were going to do that? Can’t remember seeing it at any point.

ninguno
Jan 17, 2011
I remember that too. They wanted to get rid of double boss plays since it was kind of a meaningless choice

lucifirius
Mar 7, 2016
What if the "mmr bug" turns out to be working as intended?

appropriatemetaphor
Jan 26, 2006

lucifirius posted:

What if the "mmr bug" turns out to be working as intended?

I hope so because I won 9/10 last time and got silver.

AlmightyBob
Sep 8, 2003

lol I wonder why we lost this one

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whalestory
Feb 9, 2004

hey ya'll!

Pillbug
Dang i can't believe they looked away from their dad's text

moush
Aug 19, 2009

Rage Your Dream
Have people figured out a good way to build the new Zeratul? I've just been going Cleave and VP because I'm bad.

Schneider Inside Her
Aug 6, 2009

Please bitches. If nothing else I am a gentleman
Mcintyre’s got a vid about it. That’d be the go I reckon

Mind over Matter
Jun 1, 2007
Four to a dollar.



Toshimo posted:

HL is broke right now. Do your placements next week. HTH.

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/heroes/topic/20760635893#1

Short version: MMR hosed up, but not related to performance-based matching. They hope to fix it tomorrow but not certain yet.

Spudd
Nov 27, 2007

Protect children from "Safe Schools" social engineering. Shame!

It's kind of insane how stupid everyone in quick match is at the moment

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Erdricks
Sep 8, 2005

There's nothing refreshing like a sauna!

Spudd posted:

It's kind of insane how stupid everyone in quick match is at the moment

Its not even the hanjos. I had two games in a row where someone called gg and stopped participating in under 5 minutes when nothing serious had happened.

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