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D_Smart
May 11, 2010

by FactsAreUseless
College Slice
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Mirificus
Oct 29, 2004

Kings need not raise their voices to be heard
[img]https://i.imgur.com/r0Cq197.png][/img]

Zzr
Oct 6, 2016

"We don't use cryengine, we use cryengine" said CIG's Ortwin, using cryengine.

Preen Dog
Nov 8, 2017

SomethingJones posted:

"We are aware of the Crytek complaint having been filed in the US District Court. CIG hasn’t used the CryEngine for quite some time since we switched to Amazon’s Lumberyard. This is a meritless lawsuit that we will defend vigorously against, including recovering from Crytek any costs incurred in this matter."

No CryEngine to see here, move on.

Scruffpuff
Dec 23, 2015

Fidelity. Wait, was I'm working on again?

VictorianQueerLit posted:

This is the current rock in a raging river backers are clinging onto for dear life. Semantics on what the engine is and how lumberyard invalidates the entire contract, instantly blowing up the death star.

I'm pretty sure "Lumberyard" is going to solidify as the backer counterpoint to any mention of this particular lawsuit in the future.

I'm not sure why any of that matters:

36. Section 2.1.2 of the GLA contained a critical promise from Defendants that they would not develop the Star Citizen video game using any other video game engines.

37. Section 2.1.2 of the GLA states that Defendants have a license only to "exclusively embed CryEngine in the Game."

38. On December 23, 2016, Defendants announced that they were using the Amazon Lumberyard video game engine for Star Citizen. The GLA did not permit Defendants to use any other video game engine in Star Citizen except for CryEngine.

39. Crytek has been damaged by Defendants' breach of Section 2.1.2 of the GLA, including for the reason that Crytek has failed to receive the benefit of the favorable attention that it otherwise would have derived from Defendants' use of CryEngine in Star Citizen

AP
Jul 12, 2004

One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them
Grimey Drawer
Crytek sues Star Citizen studio over breach of contract and copyright infringement



:gary:

biglads
Feb 21, 2007

I could've gone to Blatherwycke



"The shredder plum gave out Chris, what do we do now?"

"uh...uh...empty all the filing cabinets into the middle of the parking lot. Ben, go and siphon some gas out of my Porsche and don't get your sweaty palm prints on the paint you gently caress.....We're gonna get the evidence together and go for the full burn. JUST DO IT"

AP
Jul 12, 2004

One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them
Grimey Drawer

SomethingJones
Mar 6, 2016

<3
Their response to the press that they changed engine is ridiculous because the contract with crytek forbids them to change engine. It's right there in black and white.

Gravity_Storm
Mar 1, 2016

Derek's warlord game is on point this week

SomethingJones
Mar 6, 2016

<3
Did Chris lie to Erin AND Ortwin?

Slow_Moe
Feb 18, 2013

SomethingJones posted:

Did Chris lie to Erin AND Ortwin?

You might want to sit down for this... but Chris lied to everyone. Probably even himself.

Bofast
Feb 21, 2011

Grimey Drawer

:five: Okay, that was truly genius :allears:

Nicholas
Mar 7, 2001

Were those not fine days, when we drank of clear honey, and spoke in calm tones of our love for the stuff?
please grant an injunction.
please grant an injunction.
please grant an injunction...

Dusty Lens
Jul 1, 2015

All Glory unto the Stimpire. Give up your arms and legs and embrace the beautiful agony of electricity that doubles in pain every second.

These are the kind of headlines you're hoping for when your ten million dollar Star Wars commercial prompts people to google Star Citizen.

XK
Jul 9, 2001

Star Citizen is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it's fidelity when you look out your window or when you watch youtube

Can one of you gif wizards do the needed here?

https://i.imgur.com/hHm1sN2.gifv

I'm too artistically disabled.

Bofast
Feb 21, 2011

Grimey Drawer

Nyast posted:

Well, if they indeed switched to LY and no traces of CE remained, that claim would be invalid. Question is, did they really switch to LY or not ?

If they did switch, why would today's episode of Bugsmashers have a CryEngine error message popup? One would think Amazon would have changed that in LY.

Ponzi
Feb 21, 2016


DEPORTED FROM FLAVOR TOWN

ICSA 67 LOSER
Fun Shoe
Anyone know how the grey market is holding up?

Tokyo Sexwale
Jul 30, 2003

SomethingJones posted:

Did Chris lie to Erin AND Ortwin?

I'm not entirely sure Chris knows what truth is, honestly

Kosumo
Apr 9, 2016


If that is true and they are still selling internet spaceships and land plots on their website, I hope someone is going to jail over this.

Kosumo fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Dec 13, 2017

Atheist Sunglasses
Jul 26, 2003

All the candy you want. Crotton crandy, crandy apple. I like to go on the best ride first. Name of roller croaster.

my ELE senses tingled. i sensed a great disturbance. decided to check on this thread after taking months off and boy am i glad i did.

cig has altered the deal. i pray they alter it further

Scruffpuff
Dec 23, 2015

Fidelity. Wait, was I'm working on again?

SomethingJones posted:

Their response to the press that they changed engine is ridiculous because the contract with crytek forbids them to change engine. It's right there in black and white.

Well, as MoMA will be happy to point out, you don't have to honor your obligations, even if they're in a written legal contract. Honoring contractual obligations is tantamount to a cash grab furthermore quid pro quo e pluribus unum

Unless, of course, your obligation was to give a few thousand dollars to a thief and a con man. That is an obligation you most definitely honor, and also a risk you know you're taking as a shrewd investor.

Bofast
Feb 21, 2011

Grimey Drawer

Bayonnefrog posted:

Official CIG reponse:

"We are aware of the Crytek complaint having been filed in the US District Court. CIG hasn’t used the CryEngine for quite some time since we switched to Amazon’s Lumberyard. This is a meritless lawsuit that we will defend vigorously against, including recovering from Crytek any costs incurred in this matter."

Pretty much as expected. Generic lawyer speak.

So, if the "exclusively use CryEngine" part of the lawsuit is correct, they just admitted outright that they are in breach of contract?

NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here
I kinda feel that Chris and Sandy deserve to ride off into the sunset with their millions. It's not like they forced all those idiots to hand over millions of dollars for a project that was obviously not going anywhere for years and laden with countless red flags burning as bright as an atom bomb. Will the citizens even learn anything from this fiasco? Probably not.

Bayonnefrog
Nov 9, 2017

Bofast posted:

So, if the "exclusively use CryEngine" part of the lawsuit is correct, they just admitted outright that they are in breach of contract?

I'm not a lawyer but that sounds right. I think they should probably stop commenting on ongoing litigation. Usually best to say nothing. Or those Skadden people will have a hayday.

Hav
Dec 11, 2009

Fun Shoe

SomethingJones posted:

"We are aware of the Crytek complaint having been filed in the US District Court. CIG hasn’t used the CryEngine for quite some time since we switched to Amazon’s Lumberyard. This is a meritless lawsuit that we will defend vigorously against, including recovering from Crytek any costs incurred in this matter."

Yeah, take the logo off your web page, Lionel.

Lladre
Jun 28, 2011


Soiled Meat
It is going to be hilarious when this all blows over and nothing changes, and the tracker slowly climbs their 68k a day..

Crazypoops
Jul 17, 2017



Hav posted:

Erin seems to think they bought out the source code.

The source code to cryengine.

That would be something you talked about, no?

Also no, if you branch infringing code from infringing code, you have infringing code. White room implementations are the preferred method forward.

lol, do you guys think Erin doesn't know they didn't buy it?

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



Umm errrr Mr Amazon, errrr umm so these guys are suing us and we sort of forgot that our contract said we couldn't use any other engine when we went into a contract with you guys

SomethingJones
Mar 6, 2016

<3

Scruffpuff posted:

Well, as MoMA will be happy to point out, you don't have to honor your obligations, even if they're in a written legal contract. Honoring contractual obligations is tantamount to a cash grab furthermore quid pro quo e pluribus unum

Unless, of course, your obligation was to give a few thousand dollars to a thief and a con man. That is an obligation you most definitely honor, and also a risk you know you're taking as a shrewd investor.

If somebody is getting a payday they'll let a few things slide, Crytek didn't get their payday and now I'm wondering who else didn't get one either

Ursine Catastrophe
Nov 9, 2009

It's a lovely morning in the void and you are a horrible lady-in-waiting.



don't ask how i know

Dinosaur Gum

Bofast posted:

So, if the "exclusively use CryEngine" part of the lawsuit is correct, they just admitted outright that they are in breach of contract?

"Completely meritless claim except for the bit we just admitted to in a press release"

Sabreseven
Feb 27, 2016



I think someones about to.




(I hope CR is wearing his brown pants.)




It's fine though, Ortwin will sort it all out, as long as Crytek doesn't get good lawyers to represent them... Oh, this is gun be gud. :discourse:

Ursine Catastrophe
Nov 9, 2009

It's a lovely morning in the void and you are a horrible lady-in-waiting.



don't ask how i know

Dinosaur Gum

Lladre posted:

It is going to be hilarious when this all blows over and nothing changes, and the tracker slowly climbs their 68k a day..

unlike the backers, crytek and coutts care about money

TheAgent
Feb 16, 2002

The call is coming from inside Dr. House
Grimey Drawer

quote:

Chris always wanted to play with the big boys. Now he gets to field one of the most damning lawsuits in video game history.
from a dev friend lol

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

XK posted:

Can one of you gif wizards do the needed here?

https://i.imgur.com/hHm1sN2.gifv

I'm too artistically disabled.

Somebody else did it.

Nyast
Nov 14, 2017

BLAZING AT THE
SPEED OF LIGHT

VictorianQueerLit posted:

Also this thread is moving fast but I don't know if anyone pointed out that clicking the Crytek logo on this page

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/contest/the-next-great-starship

takes you to

https://aws.amazon.com/lumberyard/

Lolmao. That's hilarious. This whole thing is hilarious.

Hav
Dec 11, 2009

Fun Shoe

Ursine Catastrophe posted:

unlike the backers, crytek and coutts care about money

Yeah, everything's going to go hella quiet for a while until they come up with a framework that pleases both sides....but....I'm just getting this really sharky vibe reading the paperwork.

Like Crytek is _super pissed_.

SomethingJones
Mar 6, 2016

<3
You know what else is crazy, "Squadron 42 doesn't exist" is something I kept hearing, so if CIG want to knock out the claims relating to developing SQ42 without a license they'd have to come right out and admit that it never did exist.

In other words the only way they can prove they weren't developing SQ42 is by admitting in court they lied to backers to raise pre-sales for it.

The whole thing is hosed, like if you haven't read the actual document yet please please please read it.

Zeeman
May 8, 2007

Say WHAT?! You KNOW that post is wack, homie!

Bofast posted:

So, if the "exclusively use CryEngine" part of the lawsuit is correct, they just admitted outright that they are in breach of contract?

I mean, if they didn't switch, they may be liable for much greater damages for using Cryengine without the license, right? I imagine that's when you get into the profits and injunction parts of the claim, rather than just general damages for breach of contract. I could be totally mistaken on this though.

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SomethingJones
Mar 6, 2016

<3

spacetoaster posted:

Somebody else did it.



lmao

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