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Remember when we were laughing at that security robot that committed suicide in a public fountain? Stolen from the unicorns thread: http://www.businessinsider.com/security-robots-are-monitoring-the-homeless-in-san-francisco-2017-12 All for less than minimum wage.
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Dec 14, 2017 06:45
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One of those ran over a child right? Edit: Almost, the kid was pulled away just in time. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/security-robot-toddler_us_57863670e4b03fc3ee4e8f3a
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quote:The K9 robot circling the SF SPCA has drawn mixed responses. Within the first week of the robot's deployment, some people who were setting up a homeless encampment nearby allegedly "put a tarp over it, knocked it over, and put barbecue sauce on all the sensors," according to Jennifer Scarlett, president of the SF SPCA. A Twitter user reported seeing feces smeared on the robot.
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quote:"If I put a marked law enforcement vehicle in front of your home or your office, criminal behavior changes," Li told Business Insider earlier this year.
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i am harry posted:God bless the homeless.
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Inescapable Duck posted:They're already being vandalised and sabotaged, at least. Watch out, folks here get really pissed off if you point that out.
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Freakazoid_ posted:Remember when we were laughing at that security robot that committed suicide in a public fountain? Do the people on San Francisco can be self-aware for a minute here? using robots to harass people so poor that they have to live in the streets is some poo poo out of a totalitarian dystopia so lovely, would have made us laugh and stop the program in 1981 in a saturday morning cartoon. It make Skeletor or Cobra Commander looks like leftist in comparison. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_nj1p7Dhlo Tei fucked around with this message at 16:01 on Dec 14, 2017 |
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Tei posted:Do the people on San Francisco can be self-aware for a minute here? using robots to harass people so poor that they have to live in the streets is some poo poo out of a totalitarian dystopia so lovely, would have made us laugh and stop the program in 1981 in a saturday morning cartoon. So many people sleeping on the street you can't get to the door of the animal shelter would also be in a dystopian future.
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Dec 14, 2017 16:00
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Tei posted:Do the people on San Francisco can be self-aware for a minute here? using robots to harass people so poor that they have to live in the streets is some poo poo out of a totalitarian dystopia so lovely, would have made us laugh and stop the program in 1981 in a saturday morning cartoon. This poo poo is so old, there is probably some kind of yearly trade fair for bum proofing aka "Homeless deterrence" technology somewhere. People from all over the world present the newest innovations in the field of inconveniencing homeless people there. Calling it now: BumBusterCon 2029 is gonna show off the new megawatt anti-bum laser and NYT is gonna run a short opinion piece lauding it for not leaving a corpse, saving money and labor costs in the long run, but also calling it a problematic moral grey area to just atomize homeless people.
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Transmetropolitan had a sight gag with a park bench with a warning label that it became superheated at night to deter the homeless.
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Sounds like a good idea in winter, just give all the homeless some fireproof blankets stuffed with rockwool to stop it getting too toasty.
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Dec 14, 2017 18:33
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:So many people sleeping on the street you can't get to the door of the animal shelter would also be in a dystopian future. Clearly the problem is those darn homeless people, let's put them into camps so we can better concentrate on their needs.
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Dec 14, 2017 20:40
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ryonguy posted:Clearly the problem is those darn homeless people Yes? like, clearly yes? The problem is that 1 in 20 people in SF are homeless and extremely unwell and it's hugely taxing on all public infrastructure that isn't designed to handle it.
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Wait, 1/20? As in, 5% of the people there are homeless? Holy poo poo 
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Teal posted:Wait, 1/20? As in, 5% of the people there are homeless? Holy poo poo I am actually wrong, 5% is like, any people with housing insecurity, actual living on the street is 795 people per 100,000. So like .79% of people are homeless homeless
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Dec 14, 2017 21:21
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Yes? like, clearly yes? The problem is that 1 in 20 people in SF are homeless and extremely unwell and it's hugely taxing on all public infrastructure that isn't designed to handle it. Hmm yes so the solution is to harass them and push them even further to the fringes of society That'll fix things
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Dec 14, 2017 21:54
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We could use technology to make them not homeless. House building technology. That sounds like a far better, and in the long run cheaper even, technological solution than building robotic buttplugs to harass them.
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Dec 14, 2017 22:09
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Taffer posted:Hmm yes so the solution is to harass them and push them even further to the fringes of society The solution is to do something that addresses homelessness in any way instead of trying to pretend that sleeping on the street out front of the SPCA is actually good place for it, or works well for anything.
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Program the snitchbot to tell indigents the addresses of nearby shelters before phoning the police, suggests the liberal.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:The solution is to do something that addresses homelessness in any way instead of trying to pretend that sleeping on the street out front of the SPCA is actually good place for it, or works well for anything. Surprisingly, sending robocop after them for being in public view doesn't actually solve anything. Perhaps the $100,000 each one of them costs could be put to better use, such as providing housing for them.
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Dec 14, 2017 22:55
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ryonguy posted:Surprisingly, sending robocop after them for being in public view doesn't actually solve anything. Perhaps the $100,000 each one of them costs could be put to better use, such as providing housing for them. Clearly the fact homelessness is as bad as it is in the richest country on earth should be unthinkable but it's some pretty dumb logic to think the fact homeless people decided to pitch their tent in front of the SPCA means "guess it's your responsibility now to solve homelessness in america, SPCA, get to that"
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Dec 14, 2017 23:12
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Clearly the fact homelessness is as bad as it is in the richest country on earth should be unthinkable but it's some pretty dumb logic to think the fact homeless people decided to pitch their tent in front of the SPCA means "guess it's your responsibility now to solve homelessness in america, SPCA, get to that" Sure, there's a difference between dealing with homelessness like many local businesses and community members do on a daily basis and hiring a robot to patrol the public sidewalks. Of course, this nuance is lost on you.
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Trabisnikof posted:Sure, there's a difference between dealing with homelessness like many local businesses and community members do on a daily basis and hiring a robot to patrol the public sidewalks. It's extra hilarious cause just three pages earlier he has been tooting about how rich people will help out the poor sooner or later. You see, they could sell products to the homeless people, so what interest do they have to not help them? If they sell the homeless people a product, they become even richer. Any day now. Also, in related news: This year the German economy has reach the highest income inequality since 1913. There are no breaks on this train, we are going to the moon!
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Dec 14, 2017 23:45
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Trabisnikof posted:Sure, there's a difference between dealing with homelessness like many local businesses and community members do on a daily basis and hiring a robot to patrol the public sidewalks. The local community absolutely hates that their neighborhood has been designated the "hey homeless people, if you build your tent city in front of the mansions you will get instantly arrested but if you wanna build a pile of trash then cover it with pee and have a seizure in it as long as you do it in front of the hispanic people's houses we will let you" area. Like, homeless people deserve a place they can stay but using certain people's neighborhoods as literal ghettos is not the answer and pushing it on the people of the neighborhood as some thing where they are the villain for not wanting it is really lovely. 
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:It's extra hilarious cause just three pages earlier he has been tooting about how rich people will help out the poor sooner or later. You see, they could sell products to the homeless people, so what interest do they have to not help them? If they sell the homeless people a product, they become even richer. Any day now. Rich companies won't "help" anyone ever, but giant companies like walmart that rely on there being millions of low income shoppers will always do everything in their power to make sure there is low income shoppers. That doesn't make them your friend if they champion funding to make sure american society doesn't get TOO poor, because they also will champion causes to make sure american society doesn't get too well off for them either. Like there is a reason walmart is one of the world's largest donor of food to food banks while also having a huge worker population on food stamps.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Rich companies won't "help" anyone ever, but giant companies like walmart that rely on there being millions of low income shoppers will always do everything in their power to make sure there is low income shoppers. That doesn't make them your friend if they champion funding to make sure american society doesn't get TOO poor, because they also will champion causes to make sure american society doesn't get too well off for them either. Like there is a reason walmart is one of the world's largest donor of food to food banks while also having a huge worker population on food stamps. I'm not sure that I find "they don't want you to starve to death, they want you in state of controlled languish" particularly reassuring.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Like, homeless people deserve a place they can stay but using certain people's neighborhoods as literal ghettos is not the answer and pushing it on the people of the neighborhood as some thing where they are the villain for not wanting it is really lovely. Provide them with housing you dipshit.
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Solkanar512 posted:Watch out, folks here get really pissed off if you point that out. on the contrary, I think we can all agree you don't need to be a luddite to destroy this particular machine.
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ryonguy posted:
Again, I'm not sure how you propose the SPCA does that. Like clearly society needs to help homeless people, but as long as it's not doing that I don't know how you can put the responsibility on a single animal shelter to somehow be able to fix a societal problem or just like it or lump it.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Again, I'm not sure how you propose the SPCA does that. Like clearly society needs to help homeless people, but as long as it's not doing that I don't know how you can put the responsibility on a single animal shelter to somehow be able to fix a societal problem or just like it or lump it. That isn't what anyone is suggesting, and you know it. But pick up that goal post and run Forest run.
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ryonguy posted:That isn't what anyone is suggesting, and you know it. But pick up that goal post and run Forest run. Like clearly the answer is that someone should fix homelessness, but that is not a thing a random SPCA can just do. So they need to find some solution to their neighborhood having all the homeless people kettled into it because it's a nonwhite area.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Like clearly the answer is that someone should fix homelessness, but that is not a thing a random SPCA can just do. So they need to find some solution to their neighborhood having all the homeless people kettled into it because it's a nonwhite area. Sorta like getting the homeless housing? And since your arguing manner for this entire thread has been taking things out of context, by that I mean the city should, or perhaps some of the techbro doucheshits who make millions off of making robots that harass homeless people or juice machines that squeezes your capri-sun for you or internet connected dildos, or whatever stupid useless poo poo people don't need, could use some of their wealth to provide housing for them?
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Hiring a human guard would be better for the community and more humane than having a private robot patrolling streets and harassing people and/or enforcing the law.
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ryonguy posted:Sorta like getting the homeless housing? Okay? I don't really know what this sort of response is supposed to be. Clearly, self evidently the solution to any problem of homelessness is to solve homelessness. Clearly that is right. But until that is enacted and completed it's not like the work crew that was sent out to fix the subway escalator that got broken because it gets used as a toilet and it's not meant to handle that can just write "fix homelessness, lol" as his solution on how to get the escalator working. Even if clearly the real ultimate solution is there needs to not be people looking for things to use as bathrooms because they don't have access to toilets in a first world country. Clearly the animal shelter's best solution would be to just not have homeless people exist, but the guy in charge of the budget at the SPCA there cant just pick that option of his solution on how to provide security to the shelter.
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It's like the people who can solve the problem have zero interest in doing so, but they love selling inhumane, unsustainable 'solutions' to those they've pushed the problem onto.
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Inescapable Duck posted:It's like the people who can solve the problem have zero interest in doing so, but they love selling inhumane, unsustainable 'solutions' to those they've pushed the problem onto. I’m not really sure what this whole argument is about, are you guys just trying to find any angle to blame technology for this? It’s a stupid waste of money, but private companies/individuals waste money on useless garbage all the time. This isn’t a tech problem at all... this is barely AI at all.
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ryonguy posted:Clearly the problem is those darn homeless people, let's put them into camps so we can better concentrate on their needs.
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Inescapable Duck posted:It's like the people who can solve the problem have zero interest in doing so, but they love selling inhumane, unsustainable 'solutions' to those they've pushed the problem onto. Which people? What are you talking about? Knightscape isn't even a large company. How could they have possibly solved homelessness? They don't market this as an anti-homelessness robot. It just happens that the people breaking into cars and threatening employees returning department store show animals after midnight were homeless in this case.
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