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Jiro posted:HoloLuke gave Leia some dice or something? How? If his fake lightsaber can make contact, his mind control ghost dice feeling real is probably pretty easy.
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I agree with general sentiment. Weird mediocre movie that is largely tonally deaf and has paper thin characters. The only interesting bits involved Rey and Kylo and even there the potential felt squandered. Beautiful visuals in many scenes of course, got to give it to the disney art teams really, they understand what star wars looks like and made the transition into the two thousand and teens smooth and pleasing. The temptation of luke and the corruption of ben solo were also not handled terribly, I also was fine with the Yoda cameo and with the wry sarcasm surrounding the importance of the jedi scripture. But really, that's as deep as this movie went. emanresu tnuocca fucked around with this message at 08:36 on Dec 14, 2017 |
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Teenage Fansub posted:If his fake lightsaber can make contact, his mind control ghost dice feeling real is probably pretty easy. Wasn't there another spoiler tidbit on how Leia drops them and Kylo picks them up????
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emanresu tnuocca posted:The temptation of luke and the corruption of ben solo were also not handled terribly, I also was fine with the Yoda cameo and with the wry sarcasm surrounding the importance of the jedi scripture. But really, that's as deep as this movie went. I really liked that part. I think it was interesting that Luke's split-second of doubt is what cost him. Problem is, I would've liked to see that play out. I want to know why Luke went from the guy who redeemed the cyborg war criminal and was willing to die to do so to the guy who wanted to kill a child because he saw horror in him. Or how Snoke had even gotten to Ben by that point. Jiro posted:Wasn't there another spoiler tidbit on how Leia drops them and Kylo picks them up???? Yep. Then they fade away.
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Looke posted:criminal things about this movie Man, between this and Poe and Finn not kissing, total boycott on this garbage. Nice that Rian apparently agrees with me that Leia not learning anything about the Force was dumb.
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Luke and Kylo's lightsabers never touch. He dodges all Kylo's poo poo and Kylo dodges all of his, and the dice are also an image which fade after Kylo picks them up. Presumably as a "gently caress you" from Luke after Luke saying "If you strike me in anger, I'll always be with you, like your Father"
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I'm trying to figure out the strategy behind the space battle at the start of the film. Poe, alone, gets sent out to take out the anti-fighter guns of the Dreadnaught. Bombers have also been sortied with fighter support to take it out. For whatever reason, the FO does not detect them when it detects Poe. Seemingly, Poe's mission is to distract the First Order from disrupting the evacuation. The question here is how, given that the dreadnaught doesn't seem to care about any fighters when it fires on the base and, later, prepares to fire on the command cruiser. However, destroying the dreadnaught mustn't be the objective because it gets Poe busted down a rank (which means nothing, really) after arguing with Leia about it during the mission. A bunch of Resistance ships are destroyed, including Rose's sister the better character, but the dreadnaught is destroyed, too. If the dreadnaught hadn't been destroyed by, essentially, an act of the Force, then it would've taken out the command cruiser with its huge cannons. Meaning that Poe was in the right? Poe and the survivors retreat to the cruiser which jumps away. Like a few points in the film, it feels overly complex and that it has twists for twist's sake. Milkfred E. Moore fucked around with this message at 09:26 on Dec 14, 2017 |
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Milky Moor posted:I'm trying to figure out the strategy behind the space battle at the start of the film. I need to see it again but from memory: - Poe was sent to literally knock on the front door and say hi to the FO. - Distracting them and shooting their cannons was the main goal, but the Resistance prepared some bombers in reserve in case they had a decent chance to blow the ship up. - Leia decided there wasn't enough time and wanted to jump into hyperspace as soon as they were a safe distance. - Poe goes ahead with the bombing plan anyway and fucks it up, the cruiser waits for him/the bombers.
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Steve2911 posted:I need to see it again but from memory: But that second point. Distracting them wouldn't stop them from using their big underside guns, right? You'd need to take out the big guns or take out the whole ship. I understand the Leia/Poe conflict but it's predicated on that destroying the dreadnaught was needless. But the tension towards the end of the scene comes from the dreadnaught being about to fire on the cruiser. Maybe Poe and the bombers might've been fast enough to retreat before that point, maybe?
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Milky Moor posted:But that second point. Distracting them wouldn't stop them from using their big underside guns, right? You'd need to take out the big guns or take out the whole ship. Yeah I think the whole issue was that the hung back way longer than necessary. Taking out the smaller, quicker guns made it a lot easier to escape and essentially gave them their window.
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Given everything else part of the point of that may be that you can't actually run a large organization on reckless heroics, even when they do work out. Man! I was hype about this film. Now I'm mostly curious about 9.
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Steve2911 posted:Yeah I think the whole issue was that the hung back way longer than necessary. Taking out the smaller, quicker guns made it a lot easier to escape and essentially gave them their window. Maybe. I don't want to get into fanfic territory but that still raises the question as to why sortie the bombers if using them was not a reasonable plan. You could alter it to be Poe and his squadron and have him be like 'No, no, we can also take out the dreadnaught, we've got this!' without the bombers and I think it'd make the point that reckless heroics are a bad idea. As it is, it kind of feels like Poe is just trying to go along with the original plan to take out a significant military asset, a 'fleet killer', I think it is called.
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Did we ever see what Snoke's big ship does before it was blowed up? I can't remember if the volleys were coming from it or regular Star Destroyers, but I don't think it did anything in particular.
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Teenage Fansub posted:Did we ever see what Snoke's big ship does before it was blowed up? I can't remember if the volleys were coming from it or regular Star Destroyers, but I don't think it did anything in particular. It was firing on the Resistance fleet.
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Milky Moor posted:I'm trying to figure out the strategy behind the space battle at the start of the film. Poe was hoping the distraction + fast sub-light engines would give him enough time to blow up the top laser installation before the TIEs showed up. They wanted to blow up the dreadnaught so the rebels could get off the planet. But - they got off the planet in time anyway so they didn't need to blow anything up, just get back to the cruiser as fast as possible so they could get out. Poe didn't do that. Which, nearly meant the cruise got blown up. Poe was in the wrong as if he got back they could have left quicker. But thanks to the non-existence of a vacuum in space it all worked out. The way the bombers just show up was a bit weird, especially that they are so super slow, I guess that is the problem.. they would never have made it back in time. I am ignoring the fact that Y-Wings and B-Wings bombers don't seem to exist anymore. Christ, the shots from the star destroyer onto the cruise ARC IN SPACE. THEY CAN'T SHOOT AT THE CRUISER WHEN ITS TOO FAR AWAY BECAUSE IT WONT MAKE THE DISTANCE IN ITS ARC. IN SPACE. Wank fucked around with this message at 10:22 on Dec 14, 2017 |
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Yo how'd Benicio Del Toro know about the cloaked escape ships? This has been bothering me.
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I was loving pissed off that the master of codes was not Gregg Turkington. I think that's really why I don't like it. What loving bullshit. And ANOTHER movie that is ripping off Decker. I hope someone edits him in.
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Shanty posted:Yo how'd Benicio Del Toro know about the cloaked escape ships? This has been bothering me. Was bothering me too until I remembered that Fin and Rose were in communication with Poe the whole time, even during hyperdrive. They obviously knew about the plan, so it makes sense they told their newfound ally.
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Wank posted:Poe was hoping the distraction + fast sub-light engines would give him enough time to blow up the top laser installation before the TIEs showed up. They wanted to blow up the dreadnaught so the rebels could get off the planet. But - they got off the planet in time anyway so they didn't need to blow anything up, just get back to the cruiser as fast as possible so they could get out. Poe didn't do that. Which, nearly meant the cruise got blown up. Poe was in the wrong as if he got back they could have left quicker. But thanks to the non-existence of a vacuum in space it all worked out. The way the bombers just show up was a bit weird, especially that they are so super slow, I guess that is the problem.. they would never have made it back in time. I am ignoring the fact that Y-Wings and B-Wings bombers don't seem to exist anymore. Christ, the shots from the star destroyer onto the cruise ARC IN SPACE. THEY CAN'T SHOOT AT THE CRUISER WHEN ITS TOO FAR AWAY BECAUSE IT WONT MAKE THE DISTANCE IN ITS ARC. IN SPACE. I know! Like, just say something about how turbolasers lose energy or cohesion over distance or something! Watching the bolts arc through space was just surreal. Like, I get that Star Wars has always been World War 2 planes and ships in space but turbolasers have never behaved like that before. It's also just... the whole problem with that plan is that it depends on the First Order being incredibly stupid. When one of the things TLJ did, at least before the Hugs jokes, is made the FO seems fairly competent. 1. They don't scramble fighters when they detect Poe. Okay, he's one ship, I can buy that. 2. It depends on them not scrambling fighters when their defense guns are taken out. This is where the plan fails in the film. 3. But then, assuming they don't launch their fighters then, it depends on the FO not scrambling the faster, more agile TIEs when they spot the huge, unwieldy, slowly incoming bombers. It's just messy. Shanty posted:Yo how'd Benicio Del Toro know about the cloaked escape ships? This has been bothering me. No idea. When did he arrange to sell out Finn and Rose and why did Phasma let them get within a few feet of their goal? I assume it was when he was poking around in one of the FO computer systems but it feels very sudden. DJ just sucked.
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These films have two main characters really, and whilst I felt Kylo did, did anyone else feel like Rey's character just didn't have an arc? It never felt like she was truly tempted, conflicted. She as a character just hasn't felt like she's grown during these two movies, except being better at using the force I guess but apparently that only takes closing your eyes and straining to master. Kylo is constantly fighting the conflict within him, he's unable to kill his mother, tempted by Rey to come back, decides to fully go over after killing Snoke. Luke is fighting his guilt. He starts off unable to face Rey as he sees a potential second failure in her but he realises he was ruled by his fear and how his fear helped Kylo to fall. Seeing that power again in Rey scares him and he drives her away but confronts his mistake at the end of the movie and ultimately saves the rebels. Poe grows. Poe initially starts out cocky, disobeying superiors, blows up the dreadnought, helps organise the mission to get the hacker which leads to the hacker exposing the transports which leads to many rebel deaths and in his failed mutiny I guess learns the importance of leadership? Trust? Regardless through his errors he learns to be a better leader. Finn during his journey maybe experiences less character development than Poe as he seems to be mostly involved in the comic relief parts of the movie more than anything else but at least by the end it felt like he'd learnt something from Rose? But Finn isn't the main character in this story. So with Rey where is her growth? She's better at weilding the force yes but it never came across to me as her ever being anything but the good guy in the story. Despite the whole the jedi need to die belief from Luke which made me hope she'd be more conflicted, more tempted by Kylo, she just seems like a pretty competent force wielder who for most of the film is trying to save Kylo rather than really being close to joining him. A lot of Kylo and Lukes growth revolve around interacting with her but she seems to remain static.
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To me it could have been 30 minutes shorter and not lost anything. But additionally it seems like Rian has been trying to clean up a ton of poo poo from TFA; - Phasma was and is always useless, but Disney wanted more toys. - Kylo needed a conflict and Snoke was the convenient avenue, but strayed too close to being The Emperor again. Now that his internal conflict is resolved Snoke is unnecessary. But TFA could have gone about it differently without needing discount Emperor and not required TLJ to fix it. - TFA and TLJ do connect through Rey in that the force awakening does mean you don't need genetics or space bacteria anymore, probably like the pre-Jedi days. I liked that Rey wasn't special much like the kid at the end wasn't special, yet he force-broomed. - I think the point of the film was to make you feel hopeless right up to the very end, but the casino scenes muddled it. - The sheer number of characters, arcs, etc. did make it feel like the prequels in terms of ensemble casting, but at the end it was much tighter with a few dead or rendered unimportant. I think/hope EP9 is going to have a strong focus on 1 or 2 arcs and not 6.
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Just Chamber posted:These films have two main characters really, and whilst I felt Kylo did, did anyone else feel like Rey's character just didn't have an arc? It never felt like she was truly tempted, conflicted. She as a character just hasn't felt like she's grown during these two movies, except being better at using the force I guess but apparently that only takes closing your eyes and straining to master. The problem with Rey as a character is that she isn't one, not really. She's a symbol. She's a symbol that Star Wars can have a central female hero and not be a franchise 'for the boys'. If these films were more from Ren's perspective, Rey would be seen as this incredibly flat, unbelievable character. And really, she is. She's, like you say, really just a prop for Luke and Ren to interact with. In fact, that's precisely what she is during the Snoke scene -- a vehicle for Ren's turn, a way for Snoke to get to Skywalker! You could replace Rey with Ren's favorite puppy that knows where Luke is and it'd basically be the same scene. But the problem is, the moment you criticise or damage the character, you're criticising or damaging the symbol. Let's say one of the Guards cut Rey's hand off in this film, can you imagine the blowback? Even if that's something that's happened to Luke, Anakin, Dooku, Windu, and probably a heap of other characers, it'd launch a thousand angry thinkpieces simply because of how Rey has been framed. It's probably not even Disney's fault, not really, but I think they're aware they have to be a bit careful with Rey. Ren gets scarred. Ren gets humiliated ("Take off that ridiculous mask!"). Ren gets let down. Ren gets angry and fearful to the point that it is a severe flaw in his character. At the very start of the film, Ren even takes a swing at Snoke! There are things you can say about Ren, thing that other characters might exploit or things he might have to overcome. But Rey? She's good at the Force. But what weaknesses does she have to exploit, what trials is she trying to overcome? She has all this power apparently but she's also nice enough to never use it for her own gain. And that's easy enough because Rey doesn't have any wants beyond knowing who her parents are. Why didn't she, I don't know, repay the favor to Ren and go through his mind to try and find out if he was telling the truth? Two films in and she still feels like she's just got off Jakku. Her training with Luke paid off in, what, being able to move rocks? She'd already bested Ren once, to the extent that he bears a visible reminder of the confrontation, and she's not even remotely tempted by his offer. The only scar Rey bears from her confrontation is the cut on her upper arm. What's her arc? Goes to find Luke, follows him around, gets a bit of training, ends up talking with Ren, finds out a version of events, attacks Luke, thinks Kylo can be turned, goes to confront Snoke, finds out Kylo can't be turned, shows up to rescue the survivors? I really couldn't tell you what changed about her. I could tell you what changed about everyone else, excepting maybe Finn and Rose. But Poe and Ren change, even if only slightly. Ren falls deeper into his 'I am a monster' persona and Poe seems to take up a more level-headed leadership role. Milkfred E. Moore fucked around with this message at 11:05 on Dec 14, 2017 |
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Forum Joe posted:Was bothering me too until I remembered that Fin and Rose were in communication with Poe the whole time, even during hyperdrive. They obviously knew about the plan, so it makes sense they told their newfound ally. This doesn't work for me. Poe doesn't find out about the cloaking plan until after he's knocked out on the bridge. So, what, he tells FN that the Resistance plan to scoot off in uncloaked ships which are going to be blasted out of the sky, but that he's going to stop them from doing that since they're killing the tracker. BDT overhears this, and probably knows that Poe succeeds in stopping them. But then, since he doesn't plan to stop the tracker, he's pretty sure that Poe won't go ahead and jump to light speed and will instead... go ahead and launch the escape ships even though he thinks its a dumb idea? So his plan is to tell Phasma about ships that may not launch, and which he has no reason to think she can't see. Steve2911 posted:Hacking. Yeah that's it.
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Shanty posted:This doesn't work for me. Poe doesn't find out about the cloaking plan until after he's knocked out on the bridge. So, what, he tells FN that the Resistance plan to scoot off in uncloaked ships which are going to be blasted out of the sky, but that he's going to stop them from doing that since they're killing the tracker. BDT overhears this, and probably knows that Poe succeeds in stopping them. But then, since he doesn't plan to stop the tracker, he's pretty sure that Poe won't go ahead and jump to light speed and will instead... go ahead and launch the escape ships even though he thinks its a dumb idea? So his plan is to tell Phasma about ships that may not launch, and which he has no reason to think she can't see. Does Poe even know they're cloaked? I remember him freaking out because they had no shields or weapons. I don't remember them being cloaked ever being mentioned until the bit with Phasma.
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Milky Moor posted:The problem with Rey as a character is that she isn't one, not really. She's a symbol. She's a symbol that Star Wars can have a central female hero and not be a franchise 'for the boys'. If these films were more from Ren's perspective, Rey would be seen as this incredibly flat, unbelievable character. And really, she is. She's, like you say, really just a prop for Luke and Ren to interact with. In fact, that's precisely what she is during the Snoke scene -- a vehicle for Ren's turn, a way for Snoke to get to Skywalker! You could replace Rey with Ren's favorite puppy that knows where Luke is and it'd basically be the same scene. Thank you. You said what I wanted to say much better than I can manage right now due to not sleeping since the midnight screening, it's now 10:00 in the morning. I have the rest of the week off work so no big deal but I totally hosed my sleep up by deciding to nap before the film so I was awake enough. But hey it's Star Wars whatcha gonna do? I just decided to binge Mr Robot season 2 for the last few hours which I think I enjoyed more than the film oh welllll. You're dead right about her being more of a symbol than a character. I sadly cant see her going through much change seeing as the next film is the last in the trilogy but I really hope her character is explored more than in this.
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I really liked the movie, though skipping the casino planet might as well have happened. That felt more like padding than anything else. No real complaints other than that some scenes went on a bit long when others went too fast. I wasn't expecting a lot of things that happened and that made the movie that much better. The only thing that makes me a bit legit sad was who died at the end, if only because of what went down in real life with Carrie.
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Milky Moor posted:Does Poe even know they're cloaked? I remember him freaking out because they had no shields or weapons. I don't remember them being cloaked ever being mentioned until the bit with Phasma. Doesn't he find out when he wakes up? Like "ah so this was the plan, I was wrong to doubt you"
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Shanty posted:Doesn't he find out when he wakes up? Like "ah so this was the plan, I was wrong to doubt you" I don't think so. I think he only goes along with it because Leia tells him to go along with it. I remember the "We ran an anti-cloaking scan" line being very sudden. If Finn had never been sent on the pointless mission, DJ would never have sold them out, meaning they could have got to Crait undetected anyway... edit: Wait, Rey was only with Luke for like twelve hours? God. Milkfred E. Moore fucked around with this message at 11:39 on Dec 14, 2017 |
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Something just occurred to me. What is with the recent trend in these new films to make the Imperials seem so incompetent/ not menacing at all? And i'm not talking about storm troopers not being able to hit a target. You have the OT where yes you had a couple of officers who got choked by Vader and made to look like bitches for loving up but Vader was scary as hell, Palpatine was menacing, same with Tarkin. Yes they all met their end but none of them were played up for laughs. You got a real sense these guys were true villains who took over the screen when they were on them. Even in the Prequels you of course have Palpy, you had Darth Maul (rip 2soon), and even Dooku who admittedly it was 90% Christopher Lee's screen presence that gave that character any sort of menace but he had gravitas. Cut to TFA where you have Hux who in that film is less of a joke than in this but he's still clearly number 3 in the pecking order and doesnt really have anything that separates him from just being another general who fucks up ala the nameless officers in the OT, you have Phasma who literally gets thrown in the drat garbage, Kylo who in that first film is a temper tantrum baby whose menace is essentially destroyed when we see he is just a young guy who is trying to act like his hero Darth Vader and become what he clearly isnt (which i do really like) and Snoke who barely gets any sort of characterisation so might as well not mention him Rogue One. Same story. Director Krennic. He is never ever intimidating, never seems to have things in control, is always on the back foot, gets shot in the back and even gets force choked by Vader who bloody makes a joke out of it at the same time! Then you have this film. Hux is a punchline for every scene he's in. Phasma again is shown to be useless and is dispatched in mere minutes. Kylo is essentialy the same character as the first film and isnt really a villain until i guess after Snoke is killed and he takes over but who is really fearing him? Even Hux is still questioning him on board the walker (and get's force bitch slapped for daring). Arguebly Snoke is the only truly menacing character but he is so a carbon copy of the emperor it is almost funny, and his death is pretty drat embarresing from his point of view. Give me Thrawn, give me someone, someone scary and clever and cunning who you see and screen and you get chills because you know you would not want that guy chasing you down.
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Milky Moor posted:I don't think so. I think he only goes along with it because Leia tells him to go along with it. I remember the "We ran an anti-cloaking scan" line being very sudden. Hm, you could be right. I'm just picturing the scene where he suddenly has mad respect for Laura Dern and the scene where he's as suprised as anyone else that the FO are suddenly picking them off. Between those two it seems like he did sort of work out the plan? And yeah, why Dern didn't want to let Poe in on the plan was beyond me. She didn't want to be a hero so bad that she had to keep the actual plan a complete secret. Chalk it up to "Poe continues to be a bigger fuckup than anyone expects"
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Adam Driver does a lot of work to make Ren scary. Ren's scary in a way Vader never was. Vader's application of violence always felt cold and methodical and predictable. Which you see especially in ESB where he kills those who fail him. Ren's anger is all fire and rage. He's going to explode and you're never sure why. Snoke goads him and he takes a swing, then smashes his helmet. He's tempered it slightly, just so he can murder Snoke, but then he's losing his composure entirely in the Crait scenes -- which is kind of cool because it ties back to being that scared kid who wakes up and sees Luke holding his lightsaber over him. However, Ren has a key problem. Ren's never won a straight up fight. Allowing him to actually best Luke and kill him would've done a lot to make him fearsome. But when he gets beaten down in the first film and spends this one brooding and snarling, he becomes entirely reliant on Driver to make him menacing. Which, admittedly, he does. Hux is a walking punchline and is even introduced in the movie with a trifecta of horrible jokes. I think it worked for Krennic because his whole character was being a dopey middle manager who thought himself the CEO. Shanty posted:Hm, you could be right. I'm just picturing the scene where he suddenly has mad respect for Laura Dern and the scene where he's as suprised as anyone else that the FO are suddenly picking them off. Between those two it seems like he did sort of work out the plan? Yeah, I remember him being surprised about the transports getting picked off, too. I honestly can't recall him being told. He takes the bridge, then Leia stuns him, then he wakes up on the transports, and then they're getting shot down? I think?
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Two speculations here: One, it has been decades since America has fought an organized military that gave it trouble. We find fanatical militants scarier now. Another is that it's meant to sort of balance how bleak the outlook ends up being in a lot of these, except it sounds like it doesn't really work? Like maybe it's a style of humor I just don't quite get.
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Just Chamber posted:Give me Thrawn, give me someone, someone scary and clever and cunning who you see and screen and you get chills because you know you would not want that guy chasing you down. This whole series would make a lot more sense with a more cunning strategician on the First Order side who is able to out-smart and bit by bit cut down the republic - while the republic were the republic. They had full access to all their forces but they were too rigid and slow to react to a Thrawn-like character slowly picking them off and gaining power system by system. Hey, and have that person not really trust this force-powered child of Solo/Skywalker but Ren proves himself. Having it all set in the status quo of the OT is really the big dumb elephant in the room. There is nothing wrong with these movies being about an existential threat to democracy by neo-nazi's that have the advantage via unfair "dark side" tactics while the republic refuses to get it's hands dirty and play to their level. REN FLIES THROUGH A SHIELD AND ATTACKS THE LANDING BAY/SHIP. THE LASERS FLY IN AN ARC. DAISY RIDLEY SUCKS AT DELIVERING LINES. THERE IS A HARRY POTTER MIRROR. WE LEARN WHERE BLUE MILK COMES FROM.... BOY OH BOY. EDIT: Actually the blue milk scene was probably the best thing in the movie. Mark Hamill is the best. Wank fucked around with this message at 12:08 on Dec 14, 2017 |
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