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It looks like the tax bill is going to pass without any challenge. If the republicans don’t somehow ban opposition parties I really don’t see how anything will change until boomers die out. It’s not like a democrat and senate majority is going to go and raise taxes back to what they should be. I think the worst result out of all this will be the inevitable global economic crisis that will come from all this oligarchic excess. I have no idea how we will recover.
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Koalas March posted:white people love that poo poo, are you crazy Not in my experience sadly  but it could be a red state/anti-science/anti-medicine kind of thing of, well, some people are just kinda messed up
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Office Pig posted:https://twitter.com/matthewjdowd/status/941004081392480256 Obviously I don't know their sampling techniques, but if it's anything like most exit polls that could essentially be "no difference whatsoever."
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Kraftwerk posted:It looks like the tax bill is going to pass without any challenge. If the republicans don’t somehow ban opposition parties I really don’t see how anything will change until boomers die out. It’s not like a democrat and senate majority is going to go and raise taxes back to what they should be. There's still a few undecided Rs right? Or has that changed
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sd6 posted:There's still a few undecided Rs right? Or has that changed So I’ve read. But I don’t think it’ll take much to get them to toe the party line. The wealthy seem to have a stranglehold on America. There’s too many racists and single issue voters who’d sooner see social security, Medicare, unemployment insurance, workers compensation etc abolished than allow a black person to have the same level of rights as they do. Why is gerrymandering even a thing? Shouldn’t an independent bipartisan judicial committee draw out the district boundaries according to realistic population distributions? How far is this country going to fall before someone wises up and demands better? Do we have to go back to the times where we got paid in company tokens redeemable only at the company store? Maybe the tech industry will create their own blockchain currencies and forgo money entirely.
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Kraftwerk posted:Why is gerrymandering even a thing? Harold Fjord fucked around with this message at 16:52 on Dec 14, 2017 |
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This might be a comment more useful in the sexism thread, but I can't help but express a small amount of concern over this recent suicide. I try to look past my initial bias in that the guy was a Republican politician, and likely guilty of what he was accused, and that the world is a better place without him and his terrible policy decisions. Given that conservatives have shown they will use just about any tactic outside of literal assassination, I could see O'Keefe types bribing women to level accusations against politicians (democrats) they don't like.
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Ventana posted:Not in my experience sadly yeah it's a yuppie liberal thing.
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Uroboros posted:I could see O'Keefe types bribing women to level accusations against politicians (democrats) they don't like. A strategy that has worked out incredibly well for the right-wing nutjobs who have been trying it.
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Uroboros posted:This might be a comment more useful in the sexism thread, but I can't help but express a small amount of concern over this recent suicide. I try to look past my initial bias in that the guy was a Republican politician, and likely guilty of what he was accused, and that the world is a better place without him and his terrible policy decisions. Given that conservatives have shown they will use just about any tactic outside of literal assassination, I could see O'Keefe types bribing women to level accusations against politicians (democrats) they don't like. They've already started trying to forge documents to go after Democrats and we are lucky they are totally incompetent.
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Radish posted:They've already started trying to forge documents to go after Democrats and we are lucky they are totally incompetent. They forged the signature of a living, uncompromised staffer. I don't know how the gently caress these guys thought this would go down.
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Kraftwerk posted:I think the worst result out of all this will be the inevitable global economic crisis that will come from all this oligarchic excess. I have no idea how we will recover. Don't worry, the mass migration of people due to their homes becoming untenable through out of control climate change and the slow acidification of the ocean will guarantee this long before politics has a chance to kill us all.
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It's very simple, actually. Basically the far-right chucklefucks have bought so hard into their own bullshit that they seriously think they can just make up accusations of sexual assault out of whole cloth, and everybody on the other side will automatically believe them without question. So of course they've only managed to come up with the most amateur hour poo poo possible.
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Cerebral Bore posted:It's very simple, actually. Basically the far-right chucklefucks have bought so hard into their own bullshit that they seriously think they can just make up accusations of sexual assault out of whole cloth, and everybody on the other side will automatically believe them without question. So of course they've only managed to come up with the most amateur hour poo poo possible. They see the words "believe women" but they don't understand what that actually means. Just like the idiots crying for due process for Franken
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Cerebral Bore posted:It's very simple, actually. Basically the far-right chucklefucks have bought so hard into their own bullshit that they seriously think they can just make up accusations of sexual assault out of whole cloth, and everybody on the other side will automatically believe them without question. So of course they've only managed to come up with the most amateur hour poo poo possible. Which works out as well as possible for their targets--the attacks are so obviously false and hamfisted that the blowback is tremendous.
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Well, if you consider every accusation against a Republican to be a fake, then you start to think "hey it must not be that hard to fake!"
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Office Pig posted:https://twitter.com/matthewjdowd/status/941004081392480256 
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Say goodbye to Net Neutrality. I guess we can call it net neuterality now. The FCC vote to repeal has succeeded despite massive public outcry. When is america going to admit that the corporations are running the show?
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Kraftwerk posted:Say goodbye to Net Neutrality. I guess we can call it net neuterality now. The FCC vote to repeal has succeeded despite massive public outcry. Americans believe corporations are running everything. Many of us are just not owning up to how complicit we were in making that happen.
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Google and Amazon are setting up “smart districts” with the tacit approval of city governments. Essentially they’ll be running private feudal villages with carefully monitored apartments and smart homes. It’s gone beyond anything what Orwell has predicted. I guess it’s all democratic and free as long as the one violating the rule of law and your rights is a private non government entity. What is left to do? Voting doesn’t help, the Dems are worthless and the people are slack jawed mouth breathers with a vendetta against black people. And everyone thinks they’ll be rich one day and they support the tax cuts etc because they’re convinced they’ll land their big break and benefit from the tax cuts. It’s a new dark age. Money is truth Medicare - revoked Free speech- revoked Financial security- gone. Women’s rights- suspended It’s hitlers enabling act spread out over 4 administrations to empower oligarchs no one can even properly identify so there’s no person or institution to direct your anger at. I would not be the least surprised if the current block chain craze will eventually result in companies creating their own block chain related sub currency and paying their employees with that instead of dollars creating a self contained economic ecosystem just for employees and no one else. If you get fired a hard coded return clause activated and all your tokens are revoked from your wallets preventing you from having any financial security.
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Grammarchist posted:One reason for "coming home" among conservatives is simple peer pressure. Your vote may be secret, but if the people you look up to and have built your life around publicly support the people you're uncomfortable with, it's easy to decide that you're somehow in the wrong. I think a lot of people don't appreciate how important this aspect is. If literally everyone you know closely (family, friends, etc) is conservative, and your only knowledge of liberals is in the form of bad stereotypes and what have you, it can be hard to break away from that, and most liberals ended up with their own political ideology for the same reasons (rather than some sort of logical evaluation of the facts or whatever). Even a lot of the people who grew up around conservatives and "switch sides" have some personal reason; for example, if they dislike and have bad associations with a bunch of their family/friends, it's easier to break away from them politically/ideologically. My dad is a good example. He had a terrible time growing up in the south, and my grandfather was physically abusive towards him. As a result, he left and became liberal. His two younger brothers were fortunate enough to grow up after my grandfather stopped being abusive, and they stayed in the conservative fold as a result of their positive association with that group of people and lifestyle. Chilichimp posted:add a 90% confiscatory tax for any income over 1m dollars/year and you're on. A better approach is to go after wealth, not income (since wealth inequality is both greater and more representative of the actual effects of inequality than income inequality). A wealth tax is necessary. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 20:15 on Dec 14, 2017 |
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Kraftwerk posted:Google and Amazon are setting up “smart districts” with the tacit approval of city governments. Essentially they’ll be running private feudal villages with carefully monitored apartments and smart homes. It’s gone beyond anything what Orwell has predicted. Jeff Bezos is sneakily one of the most evil people in the US. The plan is to get rid of work and then to get rid of workers. Everyone who has money will weather out the climate catastrophe and leave the rest to their post-civilization fate. The only thing that can save us is mass solidarity.
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Ytlaya posted:I think a lot of people don't appreciate how important this aspect is. If literally everyone you know closely (family, friends, etc) is conservative, and your only knowledge of liberals is in the form of bad stereotypes and what have you, it can be hard to break away from that, and most liberals ended up with their own political ideology for the same reasons (rather than some sort of logical evaluation of the facts or whatever). Even a lot of the people who grew up around conservatives and "switch sides" have some personal reason; for example, if they dislike and have bad associations with a bunch of their family/friends, it's easier to break away from them politically/ideologically. My dad is a good example. He had a terrible time growing up in the south, and my grandfather was physically abusive towards him. As a result, he left and became liberal. His two younger brothers were fortunate enough to grow up after my grandfather stopped being abusive, and they stayed in the conservative fold as a result of their positive association with that group of people and lifestyle. Inheritance is income
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Kraftwerk posted:Google and Amazon are setting up “smart districts” with the tacit approval of city governments. Essentially they’ll be running private feudal villages with carefully monitored apartments and smart homes. It’s gone beyond anything what Orwell has predicted. The goal has always been to bring slavery back. With a name change and a fancy PR campaign you'd have people willingly putting themselves in chains and being none the wiser. The only way out is through bloodshed. I've told you who the targets need to be.
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Kraftwerk posted:Google and Amazon are setting up “smart districts” with the tacit approval of city governments. Essentially they’ll be running private feudal villages with carefully monitored apartments and smart homes. It’s gone beyond anything what Orwell has predicted.
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Koalas March posted:He's the guy I gotta beat! My first speech is scheduled for next month. Stay tuned. Goons in every office in the land, imo.
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C. Everett Koop posted:The goal has always been to bring slavery back. With a name change and a fancy PR campaign you'd have people willingly putting themselves in chains and being none the wiser. Captains log, stardate 48571, after making contant with a strange crystalline entity, he began demanding that all of the white men on the bridge be put to the sword. After fear swept the crew and they stormed the bridge to execute the first office, Whitey McWhitebread, the entity revealed that it was a joke all along. aaaaaaaaakward! Note to the officers mess, please send a request for flowers and an apology card to be sent to the the McWhitebread family on starbase KM Detroit4lyfe.
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Endorph posted:You keep saying "new" as if scrips and coal mining towns and poo poo werent already a thing Yeah, but that just makes the prospect more depressing since science-tech stuff was usually characterized as one of the opportunities for kids to leave those sorts of environments.
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Endorph posted:You keep saying "new" as if scrips and coal mining towns and poo poo werent already a thing For more you can read Thomas Andrew's Killing for Coal an insight in "America's deadliest labor war".
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Koalas March posted:Because if you put yourself in their place you'd realize that impotent venting about oppressors is no threat to you because whether you like it or not, support it or not, you're part of oppressor group and will continue to benefit from it and their cries of frustration are not going to effect you at all. Yeah, this is the thing to keep in mind about stuff like "kill all white people/men" memes. There is zero realistic risk of that actually happening, and - unlike minorities - white people always have the option of just leaving the few spaces where people say that kind of stuff for a society that, more often than not, will treat them just fine. Like, this sort of thing is only noticeable in certain social groups. If you're white, you can always step away from the SA forums (or whatever) and instantly be in a society that is 95% safe spaces where white people/men face no discrimination. The only situation where this kind of thing can be obnoxious is when white people are saying it. I don't like the term "virtue signalling," but I do think that some white people say this kind of stuff as a sort of social "lubricant" to fit in with certain social groups. But even then it's only obnoxious, and isn't an actual problem with worrying about.
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Chilichimp posted:Inheritance is income Why wait until the fuckers croak? Unless you're suggesting pairing it with guillotines, of course.
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Ytlaya posted:Yeah, this is the thing to keep in mind about stuff like "kill all white people/men" memes. There is zero realistic risk of that actually happening, and - unlike minorities - white people always have the option of just leaving the few spaces where people say that kind of stuff for a society that, more often than not, will treat them just fine. Like, this sort of thing is only noticeable in certain social groups. If you're white, you can always step away from the SA forums (or whatever) and instantly be in a society that is 95% safe spaces where white people/men face no discrimination. There’s isn’t safe place for my socialist leanings. I might as well be a satanist in Salt Lake City.
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Ytlaya posted:The only situation where this kind of thing can be obnoxious is when white people are saying it. I don't like the term "virtue signalling," but I do think that some white people say this kind of stuff as a sort of social "lubricant" to fit in with certain social groups. But even then it's only obnoxious, and isn't an actual problem with worrying about. If we don't convince white dudes to espouse white male genocide, how will we ever move the Overton window? 
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https://www.publicpolicypolling.com/polls/voters-think-trump-resign-harassment-allegations/quote:PPP’s newest national poll finds that a majority of voters think Donald Trump should resign from the Presidency because of the allegations of sexual harassment against him. 53% think Trump should step down to just 42% who think he should remain in office. 53% of voters believe the women who have accused Trump of harassment, to 31% who think they aren’t telling the truth. Sorry for the super long quote post but there's so much fascinating poo poo in the latest PPPolls that I couldn't help myself. I bolded some of the most fun poo poo. The Republican Party is loving trapped with Trump, and I assume internal polling is showing similar. They're totally hosed.
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Grapplejack posted:https://www.publicpolicypolling.com/polls/voters-think-trump-resign-harassment-allegations/ The problem with the polling is that it changes drastically come actual election time, once the GOP propaganda machine revs up and The Base Comes Home. What looks like a slam dunk 12 months out suddenly becomes a toss-up or a losing effort once ballots actually have to be cast.
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Kraftwerk posted:Google and Amazon are setting up “smart districts” with the tacit approval of city governments. Essentially they’ll be running private feudal villages with carefully monitored apartments and smart homes. It’s gone beyond anything what Orwell has predicted. Is this what delusion feels like?
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Lightning Knight posted:If we don't convince white dudes to espouse white male genocide, how will we ever move the Overton window? I feel like it's easy to throw that sort of thing out there, but a lot of the people who do that sort of thing rarely actually focus on giving anything material to minority communities. Like, part of the reason I say this is that I understand the temptation. You can go into certain online spaces as a white person and talk about how terrible white people are and gain instant social acceptance. It's easy. Far easier than actually supporting the sorts of ideas and policy that might require you to make some material sacrifices for the sake of the minority groups in question. For young liberals today, focusing on social justice in a way that generally neglects to bring up the topic of actual material redistribution (in the form of basically any dramatic expansion of government spending that would directly benefit minority communities) is very popular. Because it's easy. It demands almost nothing of the people in question. They can feel good about themselves while continuing to remain part of the materially privileged top ~20%. What a great deal! And while I don't think this is part of the motivation of the individuals in question, I don't think it's a coincidence that people are divorcing from the topic of social justice its material elements. The whole strategy characterized by the 2016 primary - painting social justice and economic justice as separate (if not directly at odds with one another) - allows people with otherwise good intentions to pursue their social justice goals in a way that doesn't actually threaten those with wealth and power. Just to be clear, what I'm criticizing here isn't so much people saying these sorts of things, but more what they often don't say and do. I feel like we shouldn't give people praise and/or acceptance just because they're willing to condemn white people or whatever. They need to also express a greater commitment to reparations (in a broad sense referring to creating actual equal material outcomes in addition to fighting social bigotry).
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