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G0RF posted:It’s really rich. The notions that Chris can ring up Bezos and call-in-a-favor, “Hey Beez, listen — Crytek is really hassling me over this GLA business and—“ and then Bezos springs to action, opens the coffers, unleashes hellhounds and throws millions at Chris because DREAM GAME MUST GO ON... Appealing to the benevolence of a giant amoral corporation that exists to instinctively consume anything it comes into contact with is exactly the kind of precedence that big publishers were terrified CIG would set.
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alphabettitouretti posted:CryTek saw that CIG planned to do something insanely ambitious and asked them to agree to share code changes in case they could be useful to implement into CryEngine, I guess. If they thought that CIG was going to succeed at, say, making whole solar systems with their engine why not take the opportunity to benefit from it? They would have had to be able to compile the individual modules to come up with libs and DLLs. Also CE ships with sample code. If whatever CIG provided didn't compile, that's what they're talking about. That being the case, yes, they sent them poo poo. ----------------
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Chalks posted:Because Crytek get to write their license agreement and thought it would be pretty useful if when ever they license the engine, it results in the engine getting better for everyone who uses it instead of getting fragmented. It also ensures that when Crytek release patches to their engine, it's compatible with updates made by licensees since those changes will be integrated. 
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Golli posted:If CIG is cash-poor, then it might not take much to collapse them. CIG have a fair number of assets in terms of things like their ridiculous mocap studios and all their equipment and designer furniture. The game probably isn't worth poo poo, but they've blown $150 mil at this point so there's going to be stuff left to claim. If they go to court it'll be excellent because discovery will disclose all of their real financial records. Not sure how much of that we will get access to, but it'd be a pretty big deal. Possibly even a big enough reason for CIG to want to avoid court entirely.
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kw0134 posted:Amazon has no dog in this fight. It could arise that someone at Amazon induced a breach of contract, but that should be unimaginably stupid that in this saga where there's always more and it's even dumber then you could have imagined, I draw the line there. You’re right, but generally speaking Amazon has no part in this as they paid for cryengine to fork. Their poo poo is paid for at $70m. They have no real dog in the fight to assist CiG because any ‘relationship’ is contractual and commercial rather than being personal. This really isn’t about cryengine, it’s about a contract that one side appears to have completely reneged on. It’s why it’s so interesting. Ignore Amazon around this unless they publically comment, which they won’t. Now, faceware and a couple of the other subsidiaries are in the poo poo because they received stuff they shouldn’t have. They need to be lawyering up to make sure that they understand the lines that they have to stay within now. Dusty Lens posted:Appealing to the benevolence of a giant amoral corporation that exists to instinctively consume anything it comes into contact with is exactly the kind of precedence that big publishers were terrified CIG would set. Ironic, no? Even better, it’s amazon. The king of paying out just enough rope to get yourself into serious trouble.
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AP posted:https://twitter.com/StarPlaysGames/status/941302664331218950 LISTEN you dummy I understand you all live in a weeeeird cartoon universe wearing furry costumes and having sex with teddy bears or whatever, but this is the Real World (remember that?) knocking on the door with a posse of proper lawyers who are actual real human beings from the Real World who probably have normal human sex and aren't loving around. Skadden and Crytek have just gone all in with a two-pair and a Queen and we haven't even seen the flop yet. Ortwin and Chris are sitting across the table with a sheet of paper with the WingDings font printed out on it. Now listen to me Jim-Bob, the Real World has a tendency to reach out and gently caress you in the rear end which is probably why you don't have any experience interacting with it and choose to live in some kind of pretentious and badly drawn animated imaginary version. Watch and loving learn son, and when this is over go outside and get yourself an education. Now get off my loving lawn and go stick a fluffy tail up your rear end or whatever it is you weirdos do.
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Dusty Lens posted:Anyone who wonders how the relationship between the beleaguered underdog and the giant amorphous blob generally works out should recall the cautionary tale of Kaori. I was waiting for a reference to Lesnick as the blob
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Concerned Citizen posted:i am so loving excited about this upcoming settlement under undisclosed terms that has absolutely no impact on anyone Best part is that we'll probably have to wait a month for nothing to happen!
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Concerned Citizen posted:i am so loving excited about this upcoming settlement under undisclosed terms that has absolutely no impact on anyone I too enjoy christmas. Chalks posted:Best part is that we'll probably have to wait a month for nothing to happen! I call it ‘December’.
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SomethingJones posted:LISTEN you dummy The thing that just blows me away is the constant chant that only one side of the suit has been seen and it will be summarily dismissed once CIG replies. As if Skadden has not gone through the contract between both parties with a fine tooth comb, any and all correspondences and supporting documentation. My family owned a lit support company and the reams of research and investigation documentation was only dwarfed by that of the actual case going to trial, one case had close to 15 boxes of documentation we had to code prior to the case going to court for a simple breach of contract on one line item of the original contract. Barring a 70's style court room "AH HA!" moment CIG is in for the fight for its life one that already on life support.
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Concerned Citizen posted:i am so loving excited about this upcoming settlement under undisclosed terms that has absolutely no impact on anyone
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Polygon The Crytek and Star Citizen feud is getting more complicated Court documents imply improper behavior on both sides https://www.polygon.com/2017/12/14/16776300/crytek-star-citizen-lawsuit-cig-rsi
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History Comes Inside! posted:Why the gently caress do so many people (not just the reddit retards but people writing for actual gaming news sites) not understand that the ">$75,000" in all the paperwork doesn't loving mean they are looking for $75,000? They never went to law school. Anyone who has been through 1L would get that reference...
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SomethingJones posted:Brand new job vacancy at CIG in sunny LA in case anyone is interested Posting from the past, Isn't this Mrs. Lesnick's job, but with a new title?
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History Comes Inside! posted:Why the gently caress do so many people (not just the reddit retards but people writing for actual gaming news sites) not understand that the ">$75,000" in all the paperwork doesn't loving mean they are looking for $75,000? When you're looking at something that you've spent the last five loving years defending and supporting you become desperate for anything to alleviate the onset of dread that perhaps everything you've believed in is a failure. We live in a world where a quick glance is sufficient to justify expressing an opinion, and on the Internet who speaks first is often more important than who speaks correctly. There's an immense amount of research into just how difficult it is to change someone's initial perspective, and social media and the explosion of virtual tribalism just reinforces what we already want to hear. The Star Citizen community isn't a cult, it's a hyper-isolated tribe of like-minded thinkers who have galvanized their opinions into something nearly impenetrable and even a [b]ridiculously respected and outright terrifying legal firm asserting a breach of contract and potentially shutting down all development[/I] isn't necessarily enough to convince people like Tarkaroshe that things are well and truly hosed.
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SomethingJones posted:Polygon Polygon has the worst writers. Where’s the Crytek issue with having one of the negotiators join the other side?
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TheAgent posted:who wants to go drinking in LA with me when they shut down the CIG office in santa monica lol Can we find a bar with a jukebox so we can play Everclear's Santa Monica? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MW6E_TNgCsY I am still living with my ghost Lonely and dreaming of our friend Toast I don't want to be your headline I don't want to make your stupid game With a big lawsuit and a space court case I do believe I'll go back to a disgrace I don't want to be the bad guy I don't want to sell these jaypeg ships anymore I just want to pay my Porsche fees I will try to run before the bank freeze We can flee across the ocean Leave the whales behind Run from all the bankers Watch the Dreams die We can flee across the ocean Leave the whales behind Run from all the bankers Watch the Dreams die I am still dreaming of the 'Verse Empty and lifeless like a black herse I don't want to do the hard time I don't want to be your P. C. Savior anymore I'll walk right out to my getaway Planned for years for this payday I don't want to be the bad guy I don't want to sell these jaypeg ships anymore I just want to run this scam crime I just want to find some way to make it gone We can flee across the ocean Leave the whales behind Run from all the bankers And watch the Dreams die We can flee across the ocean Leave the whales behind Run from all the bankers And watch the Dreams die Yeah watch the Dreams die Yeah watch the Dreams die Yeah watch the Dreams die Yeah watch the Dreams die
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Drunk Theory posted:You know they'd just blame something else. It was always going to be some outside boogieman that was the cause of all the problems. Nobody will ever ask “so uh... why didn’t you just adhere to your written contractual agreements?” Because that’s simply absurd! I think it’s glorious that Chris Roberts’ lack of ability to estimate project lengths is really what has killed him here. This project wasn’t supposed to last this long, and he screwed it up.  I want to picture him lording over an ungodly jira backlog, shouting at it and waving his hands, “why can’t I loving estimate you right!!!” As he has “Redefine Internet Communication” with 6 story points. “Human Like AI” with 4 story points. And one “Build Game” thing that has 10. According to loving jira it’s already done!!! Ggrrarr!!! The way CR designs games is similar to that picture of a really complex drawing that has two frames of “use a few basic shapes to get your bearings” and then the second picture is the complete version with “finish the loving drawing”.  Here is one of them. This is the Chris Roberts development method. There’s no connection between the start and the end, poo poo just loving Magic’s itself together and presto you done redefined and saved PC gaming!
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Is net neutrality repealed in the star citizen universe as well? If not, I'd like to re-subscribe so that I can live in the 'verse be able to afford the internet again.
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SpaceCurtisLeMay posted:They never went to law school. Anyone who has been through 1L would get that reference... Or blessed with the ability to read. Legal documents are actually really tight and to the point once you get through the initial structural oddities. I think ADB’s starfleet battles set me up really well.
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monkeytek posted:The thing that just blows me away is the constant chant that only one side of the suit has been seen and it will be summarily dismissed once CIG replies. They literally see the entire world like it's some kind of kid's cartoon, they have no experience with it whatsoever. It's loving sad is what it is. Instead of buying a 3D Max spaceship render go and buy a flight somewhere you've never been and learn something ffs SORRY sorry I'm getting myself wound up
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Hav posted:Polygon has the worst writers. Where’s the Crytek issue with having one of the negotiators join the other side? Charlie Hall is a member of the Citizen Defense Brigade, so he might be implying something that isn't there. Truthfully, I don't know.
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Klyith posted:Can we find a bar with a jukebox so we can play Everclear's Santa Monica?  nicely done!
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Jason Sextro posted:Charlie Hall is a member of the Citizen Defense Brigade, so he might be implying something that isn't there. Truthfully, I don't know. There were bad people on both sides.
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Hav posted:Polygon has the worst writers. Where’s the Crytek issue with having one of the negotiators join the other side? In my haste to post that I missed that it was Charlie Hall. The headline implies he has seen Important Court Documents that show Crytek has done something wrong. And then the article says nothing of the sort.
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Hav posted:It's going to be a very minor point, but I'm used to seeing spelling mistakes in filings. It's not quite perfect. They misspelled Crytek as "Cyrtek" on line 6 of page 10. That's all I noticed, however, so it's still very good. I agree that the simple and clear focus on the GLA will help them. It's should not be too difficult for the judge to get a clear picture of the charges.
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Hav posted:It's going to be a very minor point, but I'm used to seeing spelling mistakes in filings. Exactly. Especially since they cost so loving much, which would eat into any settlement. The flip side is that they came out the gate with heavy guns to show that they're not screwing around. I believe this to be the case. ----------------
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Hav posted:There were bad people on both sides. I'm sure there were. CryTek is not a saintly outfit of philanthropy by any means.
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Hav posted:You’re right, but generally speaking Amazon has no part in this as they paid for cryengine to fork. Their poo poo is paid for at $70m. They have no real dog in the fight to assist CiG because any ‘relationship’ is contractual and commercial rather than being personal. Anything else that could be alleged would be really out there. Amazon's gonna be like when you walk down the street and there's this guy you used to know from work and he is this disheveled mess, you can smell the piss and cheap booze from a block away and he's yelling into the air about spaceships, you pull your collar up and walk super fast and hope he's not looking your way oh god he recognised me poo poo poo poo just be cool man pretend you don't see him walk faster dammit
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