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pangstrom posted:Is there a better alternative to git? SVN
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Shaggar posted:SVN shaggar we need to workshop your character, the svn thing just isnt believable by the audience
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Dec 14, 2017 18:20
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git is surprisingly good for being a piece of software that was just designed as "whatever worked for linus" although the command line interface is pretty unintuitive and inconsistent. IMO it is pretty good for enabling collaborative work, being flexible enough to adapt to a lot of workflows, and letting you undo your mistakes. I've never made a mistake so bad that it led to me losing committed work, and boy have I tried. I'm interested to see where pijul goes
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Dec 14, 2017 18:21
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i actually kinda like tfvc, and it's the microsoft solution. i am always surprised shagger doesn't go with this
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Dec 14, 2017 18:25
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it is worth using git just to avoid arguing with people who want you to use git no matter what
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Dec 14, 2017 18:32
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i've heard both mercurial and fossil being described as superior to git, but since git is more 'slightly awkward' than 'actively bad' and since there's a LOT of things you may want your vcs to interact with, using the same toy that everybody else is already playing with is generally the correct choice unless it's just for personal recreation the same reasoning also applies to: - rkt vs docker - bsd vs linux - toml vs yaml - 7z vs gzip - gina, the queen of backpage vs your mom
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Dec 14, 2017 18:46
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MononcQc posted:it is worth using git just to avoid arguing with people who want you to use git no matter what
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Dec 14, 2017 18:49
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dvcses are often overkill for day-to-day use but when you need the functionality they’re great, and they encourage using saner branching/development models in the first place. also they tend to handle merges a lot better than non-d vc if you’re using dvcs you might as well use git, use a gui if you’re (rightly) afraid of the lovely command line interface
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Dec 14, 2017 18:49
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NihilCredo posted:i've heard both mercurial and fossil being described as superior to git, but since git is more 'slightly awkward' than 'actively bad' and since there's a LOT of things you may want your vcs to interact with, using the same toy that everybody else is already playing with is generally the correct choice unless it's just for personal recreation as far as technical capabilities go, there is no difference whatsoever between hg and git. it's just that the git "porcelain," the way that the user interacts with it, sucks donkey dick. git's user interface is actively hostile (i don't think it's an accident that they used a shitter as a metaphor when describing the interface between ui and backend!)
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Dec 14, 2017 18:50
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i can't tell if this post is pro-strong typing or anti-strong typing
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Dec 14, 2017 19:08
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facebook doesn't even expose much Mercurial to the users. Since they grew up with SVN, Git and Mercurial repos and didn't want everyone to have to learn the vagaries of each VCS, they wrote a meta-VCS wrapper tool that detects the underlying repo type and just Does The Right Thing. Which is fine 99% of the time because most people only ever do a small handful of operations. It also helps that they do Trunk-based Development, so merge issues are almost non-existent. I'd like to see Google's Piper VCS, sounds pretty awesome except that CitC implies you have to be net-connected to do any development.
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Dec 14, 2017 19:11
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HoboMan posted:i actually kinda like tfvc, and it's the microsoft solution. i am always surprised shagger doesn't go with this I do use tfvc and it sucks cause it has really stupid poo poo like workspaces and locks
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Dec 14, 2017 19:12
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anthonypants posted:i can't tell if this post is pro-strong typing or anti-strong typing cast it to each one and catch the exception
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Dec 14, 2017 19:13
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NihilCredo posted:cast it to each one and catch the exception 
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Dec 14, 2017 19:13
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cinci zoo sniper posted:ty, this worked with minor alterations :hattip:
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Dec 14, 2017 19:40
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knowing how my work operates, we're probably going to migrate from svn to hg. i'm not surprised since any time there are options for picking tech, they pick the nichest one
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Dec 14, 2017 19:40
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hg makes a lot of sense if you've already been using svn
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Dec 14, 2017 19:41
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git makes a lot of sense, well, not the tool or interface, but the network effects do
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Dec 14, 2017 19:42
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minato posted:I'd like to see Google's Piper VCS, sounds pretty awesome except that CitC implies you have to be net-connected to do any development. goog are so butthurt about getting owned by the chinese that google developers are now forbidden to have source code on their laptops you have to ssh in and do all your work over ssh
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Dec 14, 2017 20:01
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https://twitter.com/mattrickard/status/941065444919840769
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Dec 14, 2017 20:02
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git's cli is idiosyncratic as hell but all the people complaining about it could quite easily resolve 90% of the problems with git by writing an alternative cli wrapper around libgit2. they can still use github and collaborate with existing git repositories just fine. ci systems would continue to use whatever existing integration they use around vanilla git but when they're at the local independently owned cafe laying down some sick code on their Late 2017 Model Apple Retina MacBook Pro with Intel Iris HD Graphics(R) they could use the alternative cli they could call it cogito or something
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Dec 14, 2017 20:05
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the dotnet bot gets hit up all the time because its one of the top contributors to ms open source projects
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Dec 14, 2017 20:09
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Sapozhnik posted:git's cli is idiosyncratic as hell but all the people complaining about it could quite easily resolve 90% of the problems with git by writing an alternative cli wrapper around libgit2. they can still use github and collaborate with existing git repositories just fine. that's not how network effects work
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Dec 14, 2017 21:44
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pangstrom posted:Is there a better alternative to git? git has the best model by a lot, it's just it's ux that sucks. that's why git flow is so popular. it minimizes your exposure to the ux
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Dec 14, 2017 21:45
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Sapozhnik posted:git's cli is idiosyncratic as hell but all the people complaining about it could quite easily resolve 90% of the problems with git by writing an alternative cli wrapper around libgit2. they can still use github and collaborate with existing git repositories just fine. http://gitless.com/
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Dec 15, 2017 06:56
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lol at the guy using tfs and saying it’s not bad workspaces are dumb af For being a ms product the vs integration is.....not good
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Dec 15, 2017 07:34
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the gently caress are workspaces?
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Dec 15, 2017 09:58
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HoboMan posted:the gently caress are workspaces? like a local git branch that, rather than representing repository, represents some of its files or folders. it doesn't know how to track only changed files, and it literally stops functioning if you get into 5 digits of total number of files in a workspace, where, for example, 5 versions of a single file would count as 5 files
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Dec 15, 2017 10:10
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That sounds like a really insightful statement if you don't think about it at all
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Dec 15, 2017 10:49
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the gun is the lack of type safety and it’s much easier not to aim at your foot if you just don’t have a gun
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Dec 15, 2017 10:59
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git makes a lot of sense if you imagine that the commits form an immutable dag*. the branches and tags are just pointers to commits in the dag any git porcelain operation (e.g. amend) is essentially just manipulating that dag and the pointers to the dag a good blog post explaining this: https://blog.jayway.com/2013/03/03/git-is-a-purely-functional-data-structure/ git will probably always seem really weird or gross until you figure this out git is the least worst vcs out of my personal experience between svn, git, and tfs *dag is a directed acyclic graph. you can think of this as a tree data structure that can merge branches comedyblissoption fucked around with this message at 11:40 on Dec 15, 2017 |
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Dec 15, 2017 11:37
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maybe it helps that git was the first vcs i learned about but i find it's core featureset to be fairly intuitive, bar some naming conventions (but im a foreigner so what do i know a bout computerglish)
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Dec 15, 2017 11:43
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Wheany posted:That sounds like a really insightful statement if you don't think about it at all it's designed to make dynamic typing fans feel superior and static typing fans feel angry so
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Dec 15, 2017 11:45
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comedyblissoption posted:git makes a lot of sense if you imagine that the commits form an immutable dag*. the dried, caked poo poo that builds up around a sheep's anus is called a dag. i find this an appropriate metaphor for anything git-related
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Dec 15, 2017 11:49
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comedyblissoption posted:git makes a lot of sense if you imagine that the commits form an immutable dag*. the branches and tags are just pointers to commits in the dag sadly i agree with this. it's just that it's also the only way it makes sense knowing this and understanding this turns your google searches from wondering wtf to do to googling how to poke the cli (or whatever) into doing what you want
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Dec 15, 2017 12:32
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honest question, what do you even do with git that is getting you into problems
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Dec 15, 2017 13:19
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I once helped a team where their code was mysteriously disappearing and the culprit was that they were doing merge commits where they dropped all the changes from one of the branches
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Dec 15, 2017 13:53
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cinci zoo sniper posted:honest question, what do you even do with git that is getting you into problems
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Dec 15, 2017 14:07
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the best one was invariably the old default where if you git pushed something, it pushed all the local branches onto the remote ones. Someone doing a force push and not specifying which branch you were pushing could crush dozens of other branches with poo poo
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MononcQc posted:the best one was invariably the old default where if you git pushed something, it pushed all the local branches onto the remote ones. Someone doing a force push and not specifying which branch you were pushing could crush dozens of other branches with poo poo ahahahaha comedyblissoption posted:I once helped a team where their code was mysteriously disappearing and the culprit was that they were doing merge commits where they dropped all the changes from one of the branches St Evan Echoes posted:tfw your dipshit coworker does a push -f on a branch you’re both working on 
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