Klyith posted:

Well I'm with the youtube lawyer that says this will probably be settled out of court. The brilliant thing about it is that Crytek knows the one thing CIG/RSI can't take is discovery in an open court case. So they can really put the screws in and try for a bigger chunk of money than a normal out-of-court settlement would normally be in a case like this.

Dastardly, but running a scam with $175 million of other people's money is a great way to open yourself up to legal blackmail. It's not like they can go to a judge and request that all financial info gets sealed -- judge is gonna be like, "why can't you tell your 'investors' how their money got spent?"


Amazon doesn't figure at all in any of this, Amazon has no financial stake in Star Citizen and isn't responsible for CIG/RSI switching to Lumberyard when their contract said they had to use Cryengine.

redchris05 posted:

+Asghaad "except that exactlly IS a start of development, you dont get to work on project and then just say it actually wasnt and delete year from the development time ... they started the project in 2011"- no, this was preliminary work that would usually take place while you were working on the preceding game. GTA 5 did the exact same thing while making GTA 4, which means you either add an arbitrary year to Star Citizen and an equivalent FIVE years to GTA 5, or you accept that choosing an engine is not actually part of developing the game you'll be using it for.That's what that was, by the way: Chris Roberts was simply choosing the engine he was going to use. I'm aware of nothing that was used from that concept, because it was literally purely to see if the engine could handle what he wanted to do with it." GTA 5 was started AFTER they finished GTA 4"- yes, immediately after, which means it started in April of 2008."because port is separate product ... unless game is developed for multiple systems AT THE SAME TIME "- which fits GTA 5 perfectly, because they built the entire game while considering that it was going to be on PC. Done."3.) nope"- why the gently caress are you numbering things? I didn't, which means your numbers have no reference point. You're not quoting the part that you're saying "nope" to, so you have no textual reference point either.No wonder you're struggling to steer clear of logical fallacies and hypocrisy..."the fact is that GTA 5 is a CONSOLE game that was later PORTED to function on PC... PC was NOT its target audience and the time it took to get it ported reflects that ... game was developed, finished and published on given system and AFTER the RELEASE of the game completely separate, small and underfunded team worked on PORTING - ie NOT developing anything - the FINISHED game for PC"- bullshit, according to Rockstar:"We were always going to bring GTA 5 to PC. We planned from day 1 for a PC build and we made technical decisions based off the fact that we would be doing a PC version of the game." - it's unclear, but this comes from either Phil Hooker, Adam Fowler, or Klass Shilstra. Then there's the fact that they were leaking DX11 bug lists well before it was released on Ps3, proving that you are wrong about the PC version being a port that only began after the console versions were released. These pre-date the PS3 release by a year.Kevin Hoare, President of Rockstar Toronto, said" early development [of the PC version] was done in parallel with the console versions". So, in short, the PC version was started alongside the PS3 and X360 versions, so it WAS in development in 2008. He also pointed out that " In fact, some of the early preparations we made for PC, like 64 bit & DX11 support, paid off very handsomely when the PS4 and Xbox One architectures were announced".But, I'm sure a fuckwitted little pussy like you knows more about the development of GTA 5 than the people who worked on it, right...?Owned, bitch."fine, let it be 118 milion, ill take your 137 mil for GTA5 over 260 mil i wrote any day xD didnt hel your cause much"- it didn't have to. I'm not the one making up fictitious data to help support my collapsing assertions. I'm happy to have accurate information, whereas you are only happy if information supports your bullshit.What that has done is highlight me as honest, and highlight you as inherently dishonest." if GTA5 could be RELEASED in 4 years from the development start "- so where was the PC release in 2012? Oh, and why are you now trying to chop off a few extra months? Feeling insecure about Squadron 42 being slated for release in the next six months...?GTA 5 took over six years to develop and release on PC. That's your benchmark, whether you like it or not. Rockstar developers and producers are quoted here as stating that the development of the PC version coincided with the PS3 version, which means it began in 2008. You have no valid response to that, so don't even bother replying with anything other than outright, unconditional acceptance. Rockstar themselves have told you that you are wrong - end of argument."SC so far have released only separate bits of pre-alpha proof of concept"- if that's how you classify the current build then I am perfectly entitled to classify GTA 3 as a "pre-alpha proof of concept"[sic] for GTA 5."to test an alpha stage of the game you have to actuall have a whole package of BASIC features in sayd game
"- says who? Only you, by the looks of things:"An alpha test is a preliminary software field test carried out by a team of users in order to find bugs that were not found previously through other tests. The main purpose of alpha testing is to refine the software product by finding (and fixing) the bugs that were not discovered through previous tests. "- found here:https://www.techopedia.com/definition/5935/alpha-testIn fact, since testing by potential users is usually referred to as beta-testing, the current system is a lot more like a conventional beta than an alpha.It's in alpha, and has been for several years. That is not open for debate just because you want to redefine "alpha" in order to discriminatorily exclude Star Citizen. That's all you're doing: trying to change the meaning of "alpha" so that you can force Star Citizen out of the actual definition. You're pulling another bait-and-switch."if you didnt notice i didnt include any story elements or any part of sq.42 as requirement for the alpha because that woudl be closer to beta material"- progression is a BASIC feature, which means your own rules are internally inconsistent. They are self-contradictory. What a loving retard!"once they merge them and actually include the persistent universe with flight, combat and shooter modules TOGETHER "- the original game was NEVER slated to feature a Persistent Universe, so that one can be omitted entirely. However, the current build does feature flight, combat and shooter modules all rolled into one seamless experience - just as they were supposed to. There was never going to be any distinction between these playstyles, so your tacit demand that Star Marine be included are rejected as fallacious.By your own standards, the current build is an alpha build, you loving moron.You can't win even when you're trying to stack the deck against it. All you've done it drop your cards onto the floor..." there is NO justification for insults in debate, never was, never will ... grow up kid, only irrational juveniles have to resort to raging and insults ..."- you insulted me three times within that one sentence, in which you stated that there was "No justification for insults in debate"[sic]. loving hypocrite.Incidentally, this is not, nor has it ever been, a debate. This is a case of an ignorant, lying little poo poo (you) repeatedly trying to fudge the numbers in order to attack something that he simply doesn't like. This is a case of a pathetic little oval office (you again) hiding behind anonymity to rabidly scream about something that he clearly has no real experience of, consisting entirely of made-up "facts" and fictional "evidence".I'm stating facts, while you soothe yourself with fairy tales."except RSI themselves promissed to release SQ42 THIS YEAR ( well first episode that is...) so theyr alloted time is less than six months "- GTA was slated to release in 2012, so by your logic it never came out at all.It's pencilled in for release this year. That's called a "projected" release date. By your own standards, they have at least as long to finish as Rockstar did, which gives them six years and three months, which began no earlier than October 2012. Their allotted finish date can be no later than April 2019, if we give them the same amount of time. Not that you're willing to give them the same amount of time, for some reason..."by that time the engine they use will be DATED and archaic "- the original CryEngine 3, maybe, but not the so-called StarEngine. Name me another engine that can support persistence and 64-bit precision over a comparable map size. Name me five games that'll release in that time that have a scope that'll come close to matching that of this game. I can think of maybe two, and neither of them can match the CURRENT mechanics and features, like seamless multi-crew gameplay and EVA. As it stands, no extant engine has been used to do anything comparable to what we can do right now in the ALPHA. "Archaic", my arse.You know gently caress all. The fact that so much of your assertion is based on demonstrable falsehoods is all I need to reject your bullshit outright. If you don't address those in-house Rockstar statements then I'm just going to paste this comment all over your profile pages, because they instantly refute everything you have claimed. Refusal to address them will be proof that you are doing nothing more than manipulating the data until it says what you always wanted it to say but that it never did.

The Titanic posted:

I just realized something because I’m slow.

In maybe a relatively short time, refunds will no longer be a thing. SC will stop. The grey market fun will be gone because nothing is left.

There will only be a short run fun of watching people with $$$$’s into this thing miss the refund train. There will be many “we tried to warn you!”’s and laughs.

But... it may be ending. This may actually be the final few months or so of Star Citizen. I’ve had years of entertainment from CR’s atrocious management. It’s all going away, like refunds in the wind.

The Titanic posted:

But... it may be ending. This may actually be the final few months or so of Star Citizen. I’ve had years of entertainment from CR’s atrocious management. It’s all going away, like refunds in the wind.

Toops posted:

Classic.

"Hey Jim, what do we do when we use up all 32 bits of the server_timestamp variable?"

"Oh that's no problem, just change it from int32 to int64. Have a look in c:\GameDev\CryEngine\Code\CryEngine\CryCommon\ServerClock.cpp and... actually wait. Never mind, just mark the story as blocked and help Josh with doors, I'll explain later."

Cao Ni Ma posted:

I like how the default thought is that amazon will somehow help them and not wait for CIGs corpse to be nice and bloated before it comes in and picks it to pieces to salvage what little talent they had into their own ecosystem

Beet Wagon posted:

You know what I just realized that's kind of funny?

At this point I think /refunds (which I have explicitly told journalists is not an archive) has served as the basis for more articles on major gaming sites than /r/ds (which desperately wanted to be used as a source for journalizm).

Dusty Lens posted:

Man when you put it that way it sounds like CIG's legal defense is Toast.

ManofManyAliases posted:

...still haven't seen any lawsuits. Whatevs.

edit: I'm not Toast.

Peroxide Cowboy posted:

Baxta posted:

Don't worry guys, the shills have pushed any posts about the court case far down the front page so they can enjoy the dreams without interruption

D_Smart posted:

He is literally insane. Everything he said, is pure bullshit.

I am trying to get him to debate me in the upcoming interview stream. I hope he accepts.

https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/941452720116027393

https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/941453511384092672

Mirificus posted:

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Kevin J. Minnick Counsel, Litigation

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PhallicPhalanges posted:

Where is toast to tell us why this is good for Star Citizen?

Sectopod posted:

Did anybody say "Crytek just applied for a refund." yet?

Drunk Theory posted:

So that's why development has only started yesterday. loving time has been running backwards.

PhallicPhalanges posted:

Where is toast to tell us why this is good for Star Citizen?

The Titanic posted:

I just realized something because I’m slow.

In maybe a relatively short time, refunds will no longer be a thing. SC will stop. The grey market fun will be gone because nothing is left.

There will only be a short run fun of watching people with $$$$’s into this thing miss the refund train. There will be many “we tried to warn you!”’s and laughs.

But... it may be ending. This may actually be the final few months or so of Star Citizen. I’ve had years of entertainment from CR’s atrocious management. It’s all going away, like refunds in the wind.

Dusty Lens posted:

^ proof that Star Citizen started development in 2012 you lose goonies.

Thoatse posted:

overseer07 posted:

Hey Beet. When this is all over and CIG is gone, and Chris is getting parped in the prison shower, and Ortwin is hanging in his closet, and Sandi is remarried to Richard Garriott and running marketing for SoTA: Can you make sure this is the last post in the Star Citizen thread?:

Hav posted:

CrazyLoon posted:

Hasn't their revisionist history bumped that one up to 2015 or such now?