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And in the end even though that Jedi wood temple was burned there was a brief shot of the Jedi religious texts shown stowed away on the Falcon.
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Oh hey, jedi finally confirmed for religion. hooray for that retcon.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:That’s because Rey is the villain of the sequel trilogy. Even if that were true it wouldn't actually change what I said, conidering that between Rey, Rose, Finn and Poe they probably did more damage to their own side than the other side. Honestly TLJ is the story of two groups of people in a race to gently caress things up more for their own side.
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The thing that's kind of annoying about the whole 'world's slowest starship police chase' plot is that it's very different from how Star Wars handles space. In Star Wars, space isn't very big. Ships typically emerge from hyperspace within weapons range and the only way you can escape is by jumping to lightspeed. Weapons range, sublight maneuverability, fuel, and so on have never mattered in Star Wars before. Simply put, Star Wars isn't that kind of space opera. It's not a show like The Expanse or Battlestar Galactica or even Babylon 5. It doesn't invite severe consideration of tactics or capabilities or anything because they don't really matter. Things are simple and easily understood. At the same time, though, it doesn't stress these in an unrealistic fashion. It uses terminology that's pretty easily understood. Fighters, bombers, destroyers, cruisers. As an aside, ships have tracked ships through hyperspace before. It's not absolutely impossible. Difficult or time-consuming, maybe, but not impossible. But then The Last Jedi has this whole plot built around weapons range, engine speeds and fuel consumption. And the moment you have multiple characters stressing things like that, you risk the audience wondering about it too. And so then it become this toothless timer because there's no way the First Order will reach the cruiser and, even if they did, they're not going to destroy it and kill Leia, Poe, that one blonde tech girl, C-3P0, Holdo, and etc. Like, they're tracking the cruiser, right? And only the cruiser? So why not just load people onto the other ships in the convoy and have them jump away? It's a bit like the Starkiller Base thing, really.
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Dec 15, 2017 05:49
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Milky Moor posted:Like, they're tracking the cruiser, right? And only the cruiser? So why not just load people onto the other ships in the convoy and have them jump away? I don't think they were tracking only the cruiser. It was that only Snoke's ship was doing the tracking for ~reasons~.
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For all the bad things I had to say about this movie though Adam Driver brings so much to the table in terms of his acting in this movie. Few actors could bring that much gravitas to a role in dang blockbuster.
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Dec 15, 2017 05:55
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Well that was definitely better than Episode VII and for some reason some of the pandering actually worked on me this time. I said in this thread a while back the only way to make Rey's parentage surprising would be for it to have no relation to Luke, so I'm glad they did that.Le Saboteur posted:And in the end even though that Jedi wood temple was burned there was a brief shot of the Jedi religious texts shown stowed away on the Falcon. Yeah wtf
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Dec 15, 2017 06:01
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Yeah wtf I assume Rey did that without Luke knowing.
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Rey is an obstruction to progress. She's upholding the old ways at every turn, and has to die if the Star Wars are ever going to end
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Well that was definitely better than Episode VII and for some reason some of the pandering actually worked on me this time. I said in this thread a while back the only way to make Rey's parentage surprising would be for it to have no relation to Luke, so I'm glad they did that. It would have been really stupid if they went for Rey Skywalker but then actually pretended it was some big surprise. There were basically two choices: come right out and confirm the obvious, or poo poo all over the mystery box elements of TFA. Rian Johnson picked the latter.
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I was kind of hoping we would get Ewan Obi Wan ghost in the scene with the Yoda ghost. I wonder what the original plan for Leia in 9 was. They gave her ridiculous force ability in this one. I wonder if they have her dead in the opening crawl.
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Spacebump posted:I wonder what the original plan for Leia in 9 was. They gave her ridiculous force ability in this one. I wonder if they have her dead in the opening crawl. One of the Starkiller Base lasers missed, and by sheer extraordinary coincidence, it then happened to hit Leia's ship a few days after the events of TFA and TLJ.
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Zoran posted:One of the Starkiller Base lasers missed, and by sheer extraordinary coincidence, it then happened to hit Leia's ship a few days after the events of TFA and TLJ. Rip chewie.
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General Dog posted:Rey is an obstruction to progress. She's upholding the old ways at every turn, and has to die if the Star Wars are ever going to end They play a lot with how Rey is desperate to be special, to have a part to play in something bigger than her previously barely-existent life, and this renders her massively vulnerable to the Dark Side and to bad decisions. She's had so few opportunities in her life she has little to no idea how to tell the good ones from the bad ones, other than clearly seeing how Rey's path has left him miserable and hosed up, but the Dark Side in its raw presence is enough to draw her curiosity. She clings to things like the Jedi texts and the last remaining Jedi because they're the only context she has for what she is and what she can do that isn't space tyrants, and hasn't seen how badly they failed before. Something oddly well-timed with the theme of alienated, disenfranchised millennials born into a world where the baby boomers hog everything desperately grabbing anything, past and future, that's an alternative to clinging to their barely existent spot in a crumbling society.
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Yea I was really rooting for Kylo mainly.
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ImpAtom posted:Even if that were true it wouldn't actually change what I said, conidering that between Rey, Rose, Finn and Poe they probably did more damage to their own side than the other side. Well yeah; the theme from TFA is that everyone is a colossal gently caress-up. The kids are hosed up because their parents hosed up, and so-on. But inside that narrative, we should be very specific. Rey is the the most ardent follower and dogmatic ideologist of the Dark Side in these films. Fan confusion comes from the fact that they are looking at clothes rather than the characters’ roles in the narrative. Snoke, for example, looks like a big videogame villain, but he is formally more like the rear end in a top hat police chief telling the edgy, unstable cop what to do.
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OWLS! posted:The Mortal Engines trailer was loving DOPE Ooh, is this up anywhere?
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Like literally Kylo begging her to move beyond the generation that hosed everything up, leave behind the caste system, was the central message of the film. It was the entire point of the casino plot.
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on the other hand, 'destroy a corrupt democracy in order to create fascism' isn't great, as you might have seen in a movie series called 'star wars'
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I like the porgs. Rest of the movie was great, but I just wanted to put that out there.
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The message is that Kylo, heir to multiple thrones, and a girl sold as chattel are equal outside the context of the rancid society they are supposed to inherit. Wipe it all away.
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A year ago I came out of Rogue One with a huge smile on my face feeling very star warsy. I walked out tonight feeling disappointed and utterly baffled at how they’re going to handle IX. So much of it was confusing and unnecessary. I didn’t enjoy watching it and I don’t know if I’ll see it again. Killing the cute A-Wing pilot was only the first straw.
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Danger posted:Like literally Kylo begging her to move beyond the generation that hosed everything up, leave behind the caste system, was the central message of the film. It was the entire point of the casino plot. to rule the galaxy... yeah totally an improvement Hazo posted:A year ago I came out of Rogue One with a huge smile on my face feeling very star warsy. I think you're in the upside-down mate, is Hillary president there? My thoughts: 10/10 best Star Wars since Empire. I had a lot of worries about how they'd handle Leia, Luke's role in the story, and what they would do with Kylo. All fears were completely blown away by the fantastic script. The surprises were great, the action and cinematography were among the best in the franchise, and the score was Williams at his best. Rian Johnson has earned his own trilogy for this one and holy poo poo I can't wait.
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I’m not sure how much I liked this yet, I feel like I have to think about it, but holy poo poo it totally felt like a subversive response to all the people that complained about how Force Awakens was just the old poo poo repackaged.
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I liked it but it's a dirty sort of feeling. Probably one of the most deceptive scripts ever, and the Skinner's Box filmmaking didn't hurt. The Man Behind the Curtain made his presence too obvious, imploring me to feel X or Y emotion at this precise moment. The movie is clumsy.
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If they make Rey give in to her naive anger or whatever it's going to be at the last second of Episode IX: Rey turning won't be a major plot point. JJ will just ape the "I immediately regret my decision" vibe of Luke/Kylo's Jedi Temple flashbacks. Modern Disney doesn't do villains.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:That’s because Rey is the villain of the sequel trilogy. I guess if you look at it through the correct ideological lens, but they won't make her the antagonist so its moot.
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I'm kinda disappointed we didn't get to learn anything more about Snoke, it seems like he had some interesting origins to get into. Maybe we haven't seen the last of him. Originally everyone thought he was brutally scarred, but actually getting a look at him screams 'deformed clone', which has its own interesting implications. Everything might still have gone all according to plan.
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ImpAtom posted:Even if that were true it wouldn't actually change what I said, conidering that between Rey, Rose, Finn and Poe they probably did more damage to their own side than the other side. No true scotsman on both sides
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Inescapable Duck posted:I'm kinda disappointed we didn't get to learn anything more about Snoke, it seems like he had some interesting origins to get into. Maybe we haven't seen the last of him. I think they decided at some point that keeping him around would draw inevitable comparisons to Palpatine, whom they couldn't possible beat.
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I'm glad I didnt read spoilers too much at the end. I was annoyed at the movie when they were on the casino planet, but then it turned into the movie of a million swerves and red herrings, and I found myself rooting for Kylo and I think I realize what the movie was going for.
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Hazo posted:A year ago I came out of Rogue One with a huge smile on my face feeling very star warsy. This exact feeling
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KaptainKrunk posted:I think they decided at some point that keeping him around would draw inevitable comparisons to Palpatine, whom they couldn't possible beat. Though it'd be funny if they steal an idea from the old novels and next movie we see a new Snoke emerge from a cloning vat with a poo poo-eating grin.
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Saw this today and I liked it a lot. On a purely formalist level TFA is more tightly written and directed but TLJ is a lot more interesting both visually and in terms of plot and characters. The Fin+Rose casino subplot seems kind of superfluous in terms of plot but it's probably the most interesting part of the movie in terms of theme. An escaped slave-soldier and a blue collar worker confront the military industrial complex and their own role in it and liberate a bunch of brutalized bunny horses. It's a far cry from the princesses, supreme leaders and warrior priests that make up most of Star Wars. That whole subplot ends with the hacker's line "They blow you up today, you blow them up tomorrow". The best line in the film is when Luke calls light sabers "laser swords".
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NoNotTheMindProbe posted:Saw this today and I liked it a lot. On a purely formalist level TFA is more tightly written and directed but TLJ is a lot more interesting both visually and in terms of plot and characters. I agree with all of your takes.
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The more I think about it, the more subversive this movie is.
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I've dodged this entire thread to prevent myself being spoiled, so after I read the posts that I missed I'll edit this post. Having just got back from seeing the movie, here's my main thoughts: 1. That hyperspeed stab into the Star Destroyer fleet was loving AWESOME. That was one of only two things in the movie that actually got a reaction from me. 2. The battle against the red guard in the throne room, where Kylo and Rey team up was sweet. That point where they join forces was the other thing that got a reaction from me. 3. Were we supposed to see Kylo Ren as an out and out villain in the end??? Like, his whole message at the end was completely correct. Buddy I've played my fair share of Star Wars games. I've read my fair share of Star Wars books. I've consumed way more Star Wars media than someone probably should beyond the movies. What he and Luke said about the Jedi and the Sith are completely correct. These two factions have shaped the course of the galaxy for literally millennia. Their feud with each other has directly caused the catastrophic and galaxy spanning changes that occurred in the last few decades. 3a. You have a chance now, at the very end of both sides, to wipe the slate clean and start again. Kylo explicitly rejects both Jedi and Sith. If the EU were still canon, he would be Gray Jedi as gently caress. Snoke was the last Sith. Rey is the last Jedi. Luke himself explicitly and multiple times told her why the Jedi need to die. Yoda, Yoda, even agrees with him, the wisest person in the whole drat series. Yoda burnt down the tree himself, for crying out loud, when it turned out Luke couldn't quite do it. 3b. All this poo poo is leading up to a chance to finally get it right. The Force isn't all dark or all light. It's everything, dude, it's everything. It'll be around if there are no Sith, it'll be around if there are no Jedi. If you're worried about continuing on the people who can actually harness and use the Force, just train them. Kylo said he wanted order. If Rey had joined him, she could have been a balancing force to his darkness. Maybe together they finally could have brought a true and lasting peace to a galaxy torn by war and corruption. 3c. The ending proceeds to throw this out the window. Rey literally closes the door in Kylo's face. Rey's going to keep being a Jedi, and I'll bet you Kylo will take up the mantle of new Dark Lord of the Sith. The whole cycle starts over because these chucklefucks can't get along. I'm guessing my point has already been discussed over the course of the last few pages I haven't read, again, these are just my thoughts having just come back from the movie. In my opinion, while it was a decent film, for it to be truly incredible is if Rey had actually joined up with Kylo Ren. Also, I was kind of weirded out by Leia not dying, considering Carrie Fisher, and yet Luke becomes a Force Ghost, or at least one with the Force. I was expecting Luke to die in the beginning of the next film, like RotJ, because these films almost seem to mirror the original trilogy for a reason I think I get but don't want to acknowledge because it makes me sad(der) about Disney.
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