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Luke drinking titty milk is the best scene in this movie hands down. It's also the most bizarre thing.
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Bottom Liner posted:But you're ignoring the core issue that Kylo doesn't want to do away with any of that, just be the new ruler of it. I'm not saying a Rey/Kylo pairing would bring peace and justice to the galaxy. I'm saying the movie gives them both have reasons to distrust and hate the old ways. Teaming up is the natural story conclusion. The movie avoids it because Rey is a role model and merchandise seller, so a heel turn cannot happen, despite it fitting the story.
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Dec 15, 2017 08:41
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It feels safe to assume that Finn will end up with Rose now and Rey winds up with Poe.
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Dec 15, 2017 08:41
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Nessus posted:I think somehow that if your way of wiping the slate clean and bringing balance to the galaxy is to become leader of a fascist army that blows up planets, maybe - just maybe - your view on society can't be trusted outright, even if a guy said "midichlorian" a few movies back. That's all a cover for his personal vendetta against the institutions and people that hurt him.
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Dec 15, 2017 08:44
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Harlock posted:Luke drinking titty milk is the best scene in this movie hands down. I had completely forgot this, It's about drat time we got some titties in star wars.
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Dec 15, 2017 08:49
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Harlock posted:Luke drinking titty milk is the best scene in this movie hands down. Isn't that a little, uh, redundant?
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Dec 15, 2017 08:50
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KaptainKrunk posted:That's all a cover for his personal vendetta against the institutions and people that hurt him.
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Dec 15, 2017 08:51
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Kylo is literally the lanky, awkward bully in the group of bullies who gets hit a lot and kinda laughs it off but resents it. Then he murders the bully.
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Dec 15, 2017 08:52
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I thought this was a really good movie. Visually it was a beautiful movie, some shots that come to mind: Rey training with the saber and then the lightsaber. Some of the wide shots chosen for that scene were beautiful Luke staring down the entire First Order fleet. Calls back what he had said earlier about legends and was really something profound I think The last shot of Luke being alive was a direct call back to the first shot of a Luke in a New Hope with the two setting suns. That was a powerful moment I think this could have benefited from being cut like 15 to 20 minutes though. I also have thoughts on how it turns the typical plucky Star Wars moments of converting the miracle every time on its head, but I’m tired and might write about it later
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Dec 15, 2017 08:53
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I liked how they took the time to explain that they couldn't just FTL outta there because the FO would just follow them and they'd be out of fuel. But then they don't even bother to explain why the First Order can't call for reinforcements to cut them off, or swarm the cruiser with the surely thousands of tie fighters they have.
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Dec 15, 2017 08:56
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wizard on a water slide posted:But Kylo didn't want to "leave behind the caste system", just like Anakin didn't; he wants to be the architect of a new world, not a comrade. He's an authoritarian revolutionary, not a populist one. I also understand peoples' sympathies, though, and so does Johnson. “Wants to have it’s cake and eat it too” is an accurate summation of every Rian Johnson project so far.
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Dec 15, 2017 08:57
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RandomPauI posted:It feels safe to assume that Finn will end up with Rose now and Rey winds up with Poe. Poe is going to kiss Kylo
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Dec 15, 2017 08:58
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garycoleisgod posted:I'm not saying a Rey/Kylo pairing would bring peace and justice to the galaxy. I'm saying the movie gives them both have reasons to distrust and hate the old ways. Teaming up is the natural story conclusion. How is Rey joining the bad guys neutral? Makes no fuckin sense mate
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Dec 15, 2017 08:58
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I thoroughly enjoyed Rian Johnson pooping on the last two years of fan theory, that was pretty fantastic
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Dec 15, 2017 09:00
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I was giggling when they showed Snoke’s murked corpse, with the eyes rolled back and his tongue sticking out a little bit. And his disembodied hand just resting on the arm of the throne. Ya got punked, fella. Please don’t bring him back for IX, JJ.
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Dec 15, 2017 09:00
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Episode IX will 100% end with Kylo redeeming himself by committing seppuku and finally literally killing his demons. It fits the story the character and the samurai arc.
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Dec 15, 2017 09:02
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KaptainKrunk posted:But then they don't even bother to explain why the First Order can't call for reinforcements to cut them off, or swarm the cruiser with the surely thousands of tie fighters they have. I find thinking about the logistics of the war stuff in all these new Star Wars bizarre, so I just haven't. It feels like the First Order is supposed to be a small, scrappy-but-dangerous bunch of Imperial remnants with a couple superweapons and Sith in their back pocket sometimes, and a galaxy-conquering monster more powerful than the original Galactic Empire at other times. Like the plot of this movie makes sense if the First Order really isn't that big or all-powerful, but if that's the case, how are they winning the war so easily? It doesn't seem to matter to the filmmakers, so I'm just erring on the side of not giving a poo poo about it either.
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Dec 15, 2017 09:03
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JJ Abrams, feeling the heat from Disney, will bring back Phasma for another 2 minute cameo to just die / get dunked on again
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Dec 15, 2017 09:03
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Gonz posted:I was giggling when they showed Snoke’s murked corpse, with the eyes rolled back and his tongue sticking out a little bit. And his disembodied hand just resting on the arm of the throne. And then his lower half flops off the throne. I think that kinda thing shows that Luke ultimately succeeded in destroying the Sith; if Snoke was a proper Sith Lord he'd probably have a way tighter leash on his apprentice at this point than that. Look at all the leverage Palpatine had over Vader. Kylo Ren is a dangerous and destructive product of incomplete training, Jedi and Sith. We still haven't seen any of the Knights of Ren, presumable the other apprentices Kylo took with him. Are they gonna be a boss rush for the last movie?
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wizard on a water slide posted:I find thinking about the logistics of the war stuff in all these new Star Wars bizarre, so I just haven't. It feels like the First Order is supposed to be a small, scrappy-but-dangerous bunch of Imperial remnants with a couple superweapons and Sith in their back pocket sometimes, and a galaxy-conquering monster more powerful than the original Galactic Empire at other times. Like the plot of this movie makes sense if the First Order really isn't that big or all-powerful, but if that's the case, how are they winning the war so easily? I think it's meant to be established that the First Order are Empire remnants that disappeared into unexplored regions to loot and plunder, outside the scope of the fledgling New Republic, building and improving on old Imperial designs and plans while the Resistance is the ageing, underfunded remnants of the Rebel Alliance that the New Republic doesn't want threatening a hard-won, fragile peace. The idea is basically if fleeing Nazis had properly conquered Argentina and built a new empire out of looting South America while there was no Cold War equivalent to occupy the rest of the world in military build-up, and they they nuked Washington or something.
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Dec 15, 2017 09:07
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For anyone saying "Oh Rey should've joined Kylo": when your speech ends with "And together we can rule the galaxy." then you're not exactly showing off noble intentions. I don't think the movie resets their characters like some people think. It pushes them to the point of no return. Kylo no longer has doubts or conflict and Rey stops trying to define herself with her parentage and accepts who she is. Killing off Snoke implicitly forces them to not copy the climax to Jedi in the third part, which is where all this seemed to be heading.
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Dec 15, 2017 09:12
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The fake out shot with the iron/steamer thing has to be a reference to Hardware Wars right?
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Dec 15, 2017 09:12
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RandomPauI posted:It feels safe to assume that Finn will end up with Rose now and Rey winds up with Poe. Rey's a Jedi. She ends up with the titty seal.
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Dec 15, 2017 09:14
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This was a very mediocre movie. Definitely felt like it couldn't decide what it wanted to be. Also felt like none of the enemies had any menace. The First Order is comically incompetent, Kylo Ren is a whiny pissbaby, and Snoke went from a mysterious unknown power to just a fugly dude in a chair. Holdo's hyperspeed jump through a bunch of First Order ships was extremely loving cool but like... the Resistance had been evacuating its support ships one by one anyway so they could have just used one of those almost immediately?
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Dec 15, 2017 09:14
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Bottom Liner posted:How is Rey joining the bad guys neutral? Makes no fuckin sense mate Natural and neutral are different words with different meanings. Saying something is natural does not mean it is good or neutral. Death is natural for example. Wouldn't say it was neutral or good. Rey joining Kylo is not good morally. He will fix nothing in the galaxy. But it is the more interesting story choice. The structure of the movie up to that point suggests it will happen, giving Rey and the audience reasons to decide the Republic/jedi are poo poo. I am suggesting it doesn't happen because they have movies and merch to sell, not because of story reasons.
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Dec 15, 2017 09:17
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Inescapable Duck posted:I think it's meant to be established that the First Order are Empire remnants that disappeared into unexplored regions to loot and plunder, outside the scope of the fledgling New Republic, building and improving on old Imperial designs and plans while the Resistance is the ageing, underfunded remnants of the Rebel Alliance that the New Republic doesn't want threatening a hard-won, fragile peace. The idea is basically if fleeing Nazis had properly conquered Argentina and built a new empire out of looting South America while there was no Cold War equivalent to occupy the rest of the world in military build-up, and they they nuked Washington or something. I pictured it more like the end of WW1 into WW2. The Empire is Germany and the Republic is France. Both sides were exhausted after a long war with huge costs and while the Republic won, it was at a heavy cost. While the Republic tried to rebuild it's economy and put the galaxy back together, the First Order (now literal Nazis) doubled down on military production then struck before the other side was prepared at all to deal with the consequences. They're now blitzkrieging their way through the galaxy unexpectedly while the resistance is now essentially the French Resistance. All but broken in occupied territory, yet still able to do some sabotage damage here and there.
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Dec 15, 2017 09:18
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KaptainKrunk posted:
The movie switches from a carrier battle to a cruiser chase once Snoke's ship shows up. You can't mix them up, it's against the rules.
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Dec 15, 2017 09:18
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KaptainKrunk posted:I liked how they took the time to explain that they couldn't just FTL outta there because the FO would just follow them and they'd be out of fuel. Arrogance! Hux says it's iust a matter of time and doesn't to further displease Snoke, who could very well kill him for it.
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Dec 15, 2017 09:21
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I think the temptation to have Ray join Kylo was extremely effective. The romantic arc/tension drives a truly conflicted villain who is ruined by the failures of adults in his life. There were quite a few scenes in this movie where they could’ve gone both ways and that means characters were given nuance and wants that conflicted with their needs. But Kylo fucks it up for himself in the language of the film: he tells Ray ‘People think you are trash, everyone looks down on you, but I don’t!’ In a way that’s ultimately unacceptable. We’ve seen that Ray is uncompromising: she spends the entire first half of the movie standing up to the person she is allegedly seeking training from. Much more than the first film, this is revealed to be a flaw. I think the mercenary code breaker is a fascinating character. We’re coded to think of him as a Han Solo but ultimately he refuses morality because he’s lived through several galactic wars in his lifetime and just wants to get paid. The scene where he uses the necklace to fix the panel is amazing, you get a sense that if the rebels had more money he would be a good guy. This is by far my favorite Star Wars movie because it creates a symphony from the black-and-white keys of the force. Everyone is a variation of arrogant, courageous, and capracious; Tons and tons of average people are caught up in the struggle.
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Dec 15, 2017 09:31
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There's as much dumb poo poo in this movie as TFA but there are actually effective set pieces and good character arcs. It's okay I guess.
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Dec 15, 2017 09:34
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Two movies now and the only villain to do anything of interest is the fuckin random stormtrooper who yells “TRAITOR!” who of course is immediately dispatched like a chump. All the heroes get to do ridiculous stuff like astral projections and Mary Poppins poo poo as they steamroll the opposition. It’s really loving hard to give a poo poo anymore.
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Dec 15, 2017 09:38
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https://twitter.com/HamillHimself/status/941588488956231680
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Dec 15, 2017 09:40
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Kylo had a chance to score because he sent nice shirtless selfies through SnapForce at a right time and found common interests to chat about, but creeping through private info and family drama was a bad idea unlike padme, rey can read red flags
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Dec 15, 2017 09:41
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Golden Bee posted:Arrogance! Hux says it's iust a matter of time and doesn't to further displease Snoke, who could very well kill him for it. For what, killing the Resistance more promptly? There's only so far the 'well, the FO is supposed to be ineffective and incompetent (except when they're not)' reading can go before it just makes the FO seem like a fairly limp antagonist. The initial opening got the balance right and then it veers too far into making them jokes again.
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Dec 15, 2017 09:42
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"I'm sorry Mr Hotshot Fighter Pilot, I have a plan but we don't know how they tracked us, so we have to keep the plan a secret till later". Why they couldn't have that line? I hope they have someone explain Snoak and tracking through hyperspace in the next movie and don't expect you to find out from reading Wookipedia 5 years from now. Luke's going to drive Kylo crazy with comments and jabs at everything he does. Going to end up being half the comedy in the next movie. I want a TV series about the Last Remenent grumpy ship captian who is clearly more compotent then Hux and has to put up with being surronded by idiots and assholes. The movie's set up a lot of pay offs but I fear FoXDisney is too much a coward to finish them.
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Dec 15, 2017 09:43
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Milky Moor posted:For what, killing the Resistance more promptly? well, after getting rid of political authority they only exist so arm barons can sell more overpriced TIE-35 fighters
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Dec 15, 2017 09:48
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I feel like modern directors have all just forgotten how to make movies. Give us a compelling story! A core group of characters with conflicting, realistic motivations! Do it under two hours and don't waste everybody's time! Kylo Ren is the only interesting new character in this entire trilogy because he has clear motivations and flaws that drive his actions forward in a plausible way. Everybody else is just so goshdarn good that there's nothing believable about them or spend their time coming up with snappy Whedonesque quips as they run circles around the bumbling space fascists. You spend two years building up the return of Luke only to have him sit around on an island the whole time and get merked via force exhaustion, with a twist about as shocking as that time Tassadar faked out Kerrigan in Starcraft 1. This was a weak script even for a Star Wars movie, and the writing was not strong enough to keep a strong grasp on all the characters old and new. TFA was derivative as hell but it at least had a consistent tone and plot structure. It just kind of seemed like this new director wanted to take the series in a different direction but didn't have the vision of Kershner or Kasdan to connect the arcs back to the first. Not good! I hope the Disaster Artist is fun because that's my last hope of seeing a good film in a theatre in 2017.
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Dec 15, 2017 09:51
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Milky Moor posted:For what, killing the Resistance more promptly? Yeah, surely Snoke would be even more mad when they get away. He doesn't give a gently caress about expendable TIEs or whatever. He didn't care when his Death Star 3 blew up.
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I am just going to point out (and sorry if this has already been pointed out) that Luke trolled the living hell out of Kylo Ren, ruined his attempt to end the resistance, and then Kylo was left alone... On an entire planet of Salt. That had to be intentional. It just had to be. BardoTheConsumer fucked around with this message at 10:59 on Dec 15, 2017 |
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For the people who can’t believe that a technological superpower could be that incompetent against a smaller force… How long have we been up in Afghanistan? The greatest superpower of our world has lost pallets of money and crashed battleships into coastlines due to lack of training resources. Giant fascist systems don’t arise because they are inherently talented, it’s because they are vicious, and this movie proves that. One of the biggest lapse in my screening came with Hux found a downed Kylo Ren and reached for his blaster, but immediately put it away when Kylo stirred.
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