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Talmonis
Jun 24, 2012
The fairy of forgiveness has removed your red text.

Macaluso posted:

Hey folks! Murky player here! If you're a healer don't waste your time on me! SUPER don't spend almost the entire match protecting me. Also don't ping me to retreat over and over and over again. I know what I'm doing thank you

Only time I'm healing a Murky, is if I can get them to secure a kill with it. Other than that, yeah.

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Tibalt
May 14, 2017

What, drawn, and talk of peace! I hate the word, As I hate hell, all Montagues, and thee

Macaluso posted:

Hey folks! Murky player here! If you're a healer don't waste your time on me! SUPER don't spend almost the entire match protecting me. Also don't ping me to retreat over and over and over again. I know what I'm doing thank you
Ignore this man, always heal murky. And when you're trying to disengage from a bad fight, and the murky turns around to a 1v5? You dive that goddamn fort with him, you pussy!

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:
*tosses Aruiel's hat on Murky and salutes him as he heads off to his death*

Mr. Bad Guy
Jun 28, 2006
I was trying out different builds with Murky last night and somehow managed to 1v1 a Garrosh and a Stukov in the same match. If Egg Shell + Big Kahuna Tuna is wrong, I don't want to be right.

Mr. Bad Guy fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Dec 15, 2017

Toady
Jan 12, 2009

Macaluso posted:

Hey folks! Murky player here! If you're a healer don't waste your time on me! SUPER don't spend almost the entire match protecting me. Also don't ping me to retreat over and over and over again. I know what I'm doing thank you

It's also annoying when someone pings an idle Viking, like they're reminding me about him or something. I stood him there for a reason.

porfiria
Dec 10, 2008

by Modern Video Games
Nova is absolutely gross right now. Only Tracer stands a chance. Nerfs incoming.

I feel like Valeera kinda sucks. It's just too hard to get without dropping invisibility. She's disgusting if she can get the drop though.

Erdricks
Sep 8, 2005

There's nothing refreshing like a sauna!
I don't see what Q build Hanzo brings that Chromie couldn't do better. I think redemption+w build is the way to go, assuming (i) you can keep your redemption stacks and (ii) your team isn't going to be gimped by running a build that only flourishes in the late game.

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:
Hanzo's Q is easier to hit than chromie's, dirt cheap, and great for wave clear with the explosion.

It also hits buildings.

I've been having a blast with him whereas my time with Chromie is usually spent kicking myself for not having completed her quest before Heroics unlock.

Gobbeldygook
May 13, 2009
Hates Native American people and tries to justify their genocides.

Put this racist on ignore immediately!
Hero league is temporarily disabled. There may be another reset coming.

Libertine
Jun 21, 2004

When I die, I hope they say I made the eSports industry a better place than I made millions of dollars.

Gobbeldygook posted:

Hero league is temporarily disabled. There may be another reset coming.

I read posts on Reddit today that there's still a lot of fuckery going on so they probably haven't worked out all the kinks

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

~* Challenge *~


Gobbeldygook posted:

Hero league is temporarily disabled. There may be another reset coming.

I already got three wins after the first reset and they're doing another? :argh:

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

Fuck the DH
Is there some select-a-map mechanic in Quick Match they've added that I've missed or something? In the past eighteen hours, I've played six rounds of this game, and each and every one of them has been on Cursed Hollow. I'm loving sick of this map, even if it's the most traditionally Dota-like.

Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!
Cursed Hollowns

Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when everyone is summoning you everywhere to "be their friend".



Macaluso posted:

Cursed Hollowns

Seriously, I'd rather play ten games on Cursed Hollow than play one on Warhead Junction.

Elysium
Aug 21, 2003
It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.

Craptacular! posted:

Is there some select-a-map mechanic in Quick Match they've added that I've missed or something? In the past eighteen hours, I've played six rounds of this game, and each and every one of them has been on Cursed Hollow. I'm loving sick of this map, even if it's the most traditionally Dota-like.

New players play their first five games or something on cursed hollow. Maybe they broke something.

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

Fuck the DH

Macaluso posted:

Cursed Hollowns

Not really because it seems to breed this "all in middle" mentality. I've been by far the the worst player on my team as Sylvanas because Sylvanas sucks a 5v5 Mosh Pits and all my games just look like giant deathmatch screaming back and forth across the map.. At least in the dragon statue one people split up.

EDIT: Just queued up. Cursed Hollow, again. All mid, again.

Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!
It's one of Murky's best maps so it rules. Play a specialist and push another lane

Toshimo
Aug 23, 2012

He's outta line...

But he's right!

Craptacular! posted:

Not really because it seems to breed this "all in middle" mentality. I've been by far the the worst player on my team as Sylvanas because Sylvanas sucks a 5v5 Mosh Pits and all my games just look like giant deathmatch screaming back and forth across the map.. At least in the dragon statue one people split up.

EDIT: Just queued up. Cursed Hollow, again. All mid, again.

Be the change you want to see in HotS.

Don't deathball mid.

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

~* Challenge *~


Level 1 skirmishes are fun though.

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

Fuck the DH
Queued up as Tracer now. It's Cursed Hollow again.

I'm going to send a support ticket. I just keep getting this map over and over.

I wonder if this is intentional because I tell teams that spaz out over losing that, first of all, it's just quick match, and number two to not expect too much of me because I main Dota and only come here to chill and not get sweaty. If I got reports for my attitude, I could see a GM in a mood to troll giving me the game's most Dota-like map on endless repeat. I don't know if it's technically possible, but it's either that or a bug or really poo poo luck.

Gobbeldygook
May 13, 2009
Hates Native American people and tries to justify their genocides.

Put this racist on ignore immediately!

Craptacular! posted:

Queued up as Tracer now. It's Cursed Hollow again.

I'm going to send a support ticket. I just keep getting this map over and over.

I wonder if this is intentional because I tell teams that spaz out over losing that, first of all, it's just quick match, and number two to not expect too much of me because I main Dota and only come here to chill and not get sweaty. If I got reports for my attitude, I could see a GM in a mood to troll giving me the game's most Dota-like map on endless repeat. I don't know if it's technically possible, but it's either that or a bug or really poo poo luck.

Elysium posted:

New players play their first five games or something on cursed hollow. Maybe they broke something.
Elysium is correct. My first six games were all on Cursed Hollow. After that I only got Tomb of the Spider Queen, Cursed Hollow, Dragon Shire, and Towers of Doom for another 13 matches.

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

Fuck the DH
My problem is, I'm not a new player. I've been playing on and off since beta and have a level 69 profile. And this only started with the Hanzo/Holiday patch.

EDIT: Ticket submitted. I didn't want to look dumb and send one and then get another map, but I can't keep playing this game any longer if it won't give a little variety.

Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 01:42 on Dec 16, 2017

BrianBoitano
Nov 15, 2006

this is fine



Try an AI game to see if it breaks you out of the pattern? You can quit AI games with CPU allies with no penalty.

If not, sell your account. That's worth 100 bucks to someone :v:

Gobbeldygook
May 13, 2009
Hates Native American people and tries to justify their genocides.

Put this racist on ignore immediately!

Craptacular! posted:

My problem is, I'm not a new player. I've been playing on and off since beta and have a level 69 profile. And this only started with the Hanzo/Holiday patch.

EDIT: Ticket submitted. I didn't want to look dumb and send one and then get another map, but I can't keep playing this game any longer if it won't give a little variety.
Turns out this bug was affecting everyone, not just you. I just played one Towers of Doom match then had four Cursed Hollow games in a row. In the last Cursed Hollow match I asked if it was affecting anyone else and two people said yes. One guy said this was his 12th Cursed Hollow match in a row.

QM Matchmaking is also totally, completely hosed. Not in a "qq there were three specialists on <team>" way but it seems like they reset everyone's QM MMR, so level 1 players were being thrown into matches with level 600 players. This happened multiple games in a row and it was NOT due to people queuing up as a group. It wasn't matching them up in a fair way either, like in one match the entire enemy team was below level 100 and as low as level 6 while my team was all level 300 or higher and it was a total bloodbath.

Server is now down for maintenance so I imagine they're fixing this.

Gobbeldygook fucked around with this message at 04:28 on Dec 16, 2017

Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!
Hahaha what on earth did Blizzard do to break the game THIS MUCH

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

Fuck the DH

Gobbeldygook posted:

QM Matchmaking is also totally, completely hosed. Not in a "qq there were three specialists on <team>" way but it seems like they reset everyone's QM MMR, so level 1 players were being thrown into matches with level 600 players. This happened multiple games in a row and it was NOT due to people queuing up as a group. It wasn't matching them up in a fair way either, like in one match the entire enemy team was below level 100 and as low as level 6 while my team was all level 300 or higher and it was a total bloodbath.

Yeah, I saw this. I normally see a level 100-300 profile in my games but last night had a game where the other side had both level 700 and a guy over 1000, while I was the highest of my team at 68 and combined we wouldn't make 100. We sort of just fretted around for a bit and fed a few times and then let them charge in and wreck the place.

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

~* Challenge *~


Macaluso posted:

Hahaha what on earth did Blizzard do to break the game THIS MUCH

I can only assume that much like WoW, this entire game is held together by spit, duct tape and rubber bands. Fiddling with the matchmaking at all caused the entire thing to burst into flames.

edit: I can't even log in now. Is that the case for anyone else?

SirSamVimes fucked around with this message at 04:47 on Dec 16, 2017

Toshimo
Aug 23, 2012

He's outta line...

But he's right!

Macaluso posted:

Hahaha what on earth did Blizzard do to break the game THIS MUCH

They built a MOBA on the SC2 engine because they saw someone do it with WC3 and it seemed like a cost-cutting measure at the time.

Turns out, that's a poo poo long-term strategy.

Toshimo
Aug 23, 2012

He's outta line...

But he's right!

SirSamVimes posted:

edit: I can't even log in now. Is that the case for anyone else?

Servers are down for "scheduled" maintenance.

AlmightyBob
Sep 8, 2003

they also hosed up the team balance, last qm I played before work had no support or tanks at all

porfiria
Dec 10, 2008

by Modern Video Games

AlmightyBob posted:

they also hosed up the team balance, last qm I played before work had no support or tanks at all

Uh....

AlmightyBob
Sep 8, 2003

I haven't played qm in a while, is that normal now?

biznatchio
Mar 31, 2001


Buglord

AlmightyBob posted:

I haven't played qm in a while, is that normal now?

QM doesn't guarantee you a healer or a tank. It only matches like to like. (And recently it doesn't seem to be doing even that well.)

Midnightghoul
Oct 1, 2003

COME ON DON'T BE SCURRED
Some of the stuff on reddit from when HL was up was pretty wild. Multiple pro players getting major penalties to ranked points for playing correctly (there was a good writeup about how the system intends for tanks to take as much damage and use cooldowns as much as possible, and penalizing efficient tank play), some high rank GM players getting moved back to Diamond/Plat/Gold, and vice versa

Nybble
Jun 28, 2008

praise chuck, raise heck
I hadn't gotten a chance to do placements due to moving. Lucky me: they are resetting again and disabling the performance-based rating for now.

https://twitter.com/BlizzHeroes/status/941918410186809344

(As a software developer, I can only imagine they are having the longest week of their career, especially with it resulting in a full scale rollback)

Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012
Fallen Rib

Midnightghoul posted:

Some of the stuff on reddit from when HL was up was pretty wild. Multiple pro players getting major penalties to ranked points for playing correctly (there was a good writeup about how the system intends for tanks to take as much damage and use cooldowns as much as possible, and penalizing efficient tank play)

But no, really guys, performance-based MMR is totally a great idea, we swear.

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

~* Challenge *~


Nybble posted:

I hadn't gotten a chance to do placements due to moving. Lucky me: they are resetting again and disabling the performance-based rating for now.

https://twitter.com/BlizzHeroes/status/941918410186809344

(As a software developer, I can only imagine they are having the longest week of their career, especially with it resulting in a full scale rollback)

They're resetting a third time? Ugh

porfiria
Dec 10, 2008

by Modern Video Games
I really don't get the attachment to Performance Based MMR. I mean I get why it would be nice to have, and I get that whiny terrible players think they're unfairly stuck in Bronze or whatever. BUT:

1) The bads are still going to be stuck in Bronze even if the system works.
2) You're very likely going to create perverse incentives

wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010

Royalty is a continuous cutting motion


PBMMR was doing things like giving out negative points to people who won games quickly. If one team stomps the other, they should get more MMR, so that they get up to the MMR band they belong at and not get matched up with people who can't compete with them and get stomped.

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lucifirius
Mar 7, 2016

porfiria posted:

I really don't get the attachment to Performance Based MMR. I mean I get why it would be nice to have, and I get that whiny terrible players think they're unfairly stuck in Bronze or whatever. BUT:

1) The bads are still going to be stuck in Bronze even if the system works.
2) You're very likely going to create perverse incentives

There's a reason Overwatch doesn't use it (as much?).

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