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the user score "being bombarded" for w.e reason argument doesnt make sense, it would be just as low for TFA too then
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fromsinkingsands posted:Did anyone expect/want there to be any romance between Finn and Rose? The gently caress. Sure, right up until the wettest fart of a kiss in cinematic history. edit: to be clear I did not necessarily want it but expected it to take that turn Ben Nerevarine fucked around with this message at 23:34 on Dec 15, 2017 |
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i really enjoyed this movie, and i thought it was far more creative and engaging than JJ's totally flavorless TFA
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Dec 15, 2017 23:35
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Hazo posted:Ok cool so I wasnt imagining things when I saw the kid use the force to levitate the broom into his hand? Because it was a split second thing that was never expounded upon and half the people I saw the movie with never even saw it. Yeah that totally happened. I thought it was a nice little thing to go out on though I thought it was shot a little weird. I heard someone describe that scene as looking as if it were from a commercial and that sounded right.
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Dec 15, 2017 23:41
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You know, if you ignore the prequels the snoke problem solves itself because why should an entire galaxy necessarily have only one evil force wizard?
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Dec 15, 2017 23:45
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I'm still processing my shock that after a couple of decades of occasionally entertaining navel-gazing, Star Wars has suddenly taken this big philosophical quantum leap and has all these cool new ideas swirling around in it. Rian Johnson is the best thing that could have happened to this franchise.
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Dec 15, 2017 23:48
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Mr. Flunchy posted:I'm still processing my shock that after a couple of decades of occasionally entertaining navel-gazing, Star Wars has suddenly taken this big philosophical quantum leap and has all these cool new ideas swirling around in it. Rian Johnson is the best thing that could have happened to this franchise. I have no idea if you're saying this ironically but I agree. Movie was much better than any of the prequels, much better than TFA, much better than rogue one. When you take special editions into account it might be better than RoTJ, because while the casino arc was fairly pointless it was at least fun to watch as opposed to the eternal jabbas palace concert.
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Dec 15, 2017 23:53
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what's the deal with the shot of little rey in TFA looking up at a departing starship and crying
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Mr. Flunchy posted:I'm still processing my shock that after a couple of decades of occasionally entertaining navel-gazing, Star Wars has suddenly taken this big philosophical quantum leap and has all these cool new ideas swirling around in it. Rian Johnson is the best thing that could have happened to this franchise. What new story element did Johnson add
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Milky Moor posted:what's the deal with the shot of little rey in TFA looking up at a departing starship and crying Well either her parents left on a starship or that's how a traumatized little girl remembers it. Either is fine and acceptable and not a plot hole.
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Dec 15, 2017 23:58
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Speculation: "It's implausible how good Rey is with the Force without any real training!" You know who else was innately good with the Force? Good enough to be the only human capable of pod-racing? Anakin had no father. His mother couldn't explain it. Anakin was created to bring balance to the Force. It's quite possible that Rey doesn't have 'parents', she has a mother. It's possible that she was recognised as a Force avatar like Anakin by people who placed her on Jakku to keep her out of the way and safe. Her mother may be a nobody, but Rey was obviously left alongside the Millennium Falcon for a reason. Solo and Leia both appear to recognise Rey and react to her as though her turning up in the middle of events is expected, because that's the poo poo that the Force does.
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Dec 16, 2017 00:11
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BardoTheConsumer posted:I have no idea if you're saying this ironically but I agree. Movie was much better than any of the prequels, much better than TFA, much better than rogue one. Not being ironic in the slightest. I've been a fan of Rian Johnson since Brick and I'm glad his style and sensibilities came through in this.
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I actually thought Rey was a bit of a Mary Sue in TFA simply because she suffered from the movie forcing every single "you remember that" Luke did in the OT on her in one movie instead of spreading it out over 3 like they did with Luke and Anakin. However, this movie "fixed" that by actually contextualizing it in a way that makes sense in universe and abandoning the typical hero's journey arc I expected when I saw TFA.
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It's annoying that they completely undid the Rebellion's accomplishment's just so they could go back to the same tired premise but I guess that does happen a lot in real life. France is one of the most extreme examples, since they're on their fifth Republic now
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SadisTech posted:Speculation: its cause her parents sold her for drug money and got buried in the jakuu desert op
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grieving for Gandalf posted:I'd have thought you people would love this movie way more considering Luke just all out says "the Jedi are garbage and everything is their fault" like you've been bouncing around for years now The Jedi are garbage, but the point of the first 6 Star Wars films is that everything is the fault of the capitalist system and not any individual person. Palpatine is merely an old man who takes advantage of the all-pervasive darkness. The authentic Light Side is anticapitalism, and is accessible to anyone - even droids, who have no connection to the midichlorians at all. Luke does not have powers because he is chosen by God, but because he is a freak of nature - a psychic mutant. The sequel trilogy has so far just circled its wheels, tentatively restating these themes - but dumber. Even at the end of TLJ we have the notion that a superior, blessed race of superpowered mutants is going rise up led by Rey the mutant queen - even though the Lucas’ Christian films (and Rogue One) have already clearly said that the meek shall inherit the Galaxy. It’s a narrative regression.
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Dec 16, 2017 00:33
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:The Jedi are garbage, but the point of the first 6 Star Wars films is that everything is the fault of the capitalist system Heeeere we go
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Dec 16, 2017 00:33
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Alec Guinness posted:“A refurbished Star Wars is on somewhere or everywhere. I have no intention of revisiting any galaxy. I shrivel inside each time it is mentioned. Twenty years ago, when the film was first shown, it had a freshness, also a sense of moral good and fun. Then I began to be uneasy at the influence it might be having. The first bad penny dropped in San Francisco when a sweet-faced boy of twelve told me proudly that he had seen Star Wars over a hundred times. His elegant mother nodded with approval. Looking into the boy's eyes I thought I detected little star-shells of madness beginning to form and I guessed that one day they would explode.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:The sequel trilogy has so far just circled its wheels, tentatively restating these themes - but dumber. Even at the end of TLJ we have the notion that a superior, blessed race of superpowered mutants is going rise up led by Rey the mutant queen - even though the Lucas’ Christian films (and Rogue One) have already clearly said that the meek shall inherit the Galaxy. It’s a narrative regression. I kinda read it that the Force is in everyone and everywhere (the idea of a strict division between non-Force users and Force users is pretty straightforwardly debunked by Luke) so it's a kind of spiritual liberation energy that exists outside of TLJ's weapons markets and fascist armies. It enables the kid who cleans up the poo poo in the animal stalls and the abandoned drug baby to free themselves from economic bondage.
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The scene where they FaceTime Maz Kanata so she can infodump while being a secret fucken badass was so ridiculous it took me out of the movie for a good ten minutes. Also the whole Planet Class War subplot was pointless and I was franky insulted in the bit when things look hopeless and Rose earnestly says that it was "worth it" because at least they caused a minor inconvenience to the billionaires before the end.
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Hazo posted:Ok cool so I wasnt imagining things when I saw the kid use the force to levitate the broom into his hand? Because it was a split second thing that was never expounded upon and half the people I saw the movie with never even saw it. Yes that definitely happened, I saw it too, right away.
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BardoTheConsumer posted:Well either her parents left on a starship or that's how a traumatized little girl remembers it. Either is fine and acceptable and not a plot hole. Also, and this is important: I'm 99% sure that Ben was lying his rear end off to Rey about her parents, to get her to leave the past behind and join him.
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PT6A posted:Also, and this is important: I'm 99% sure that Ben was lying his rear end off to Rey about her parents, to get her to leave the past behind and join him. Who else could they possibly be to have any story significance and make sense?
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PT6A posted:Also, and this is important: I'm 99% sure that Ben was lying his rear end off to Rey about her parents, to get her to leave the past behind and join him. Let it go dude, she's a nobody. It's much cooler this way.
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I'm amazed how many people were 'taken out of the movie' by fantastical stuff happening in one of the biggest fantasy series in movie history. I'm not even saying that in an antagonizing way. I genuinely am curious as to what extremely specific things are 'ridiculous' in a movie series about carbonite prisons and lifting poo poo with your brain and light speed travel. This thread is great. chibi luda fucked around with this message at 00:54 on Dec 16, 2017 |
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Mr. Flunchy posted:Let it go dude, she's a nobody. It's much cooler this way. I'm not saying that her parents are in any way important to the story, just that, at this point, neither Ben nor Rey have any idea who they are or what happened to them. Whatever memories she has of them are probably real, and if that's inconsistent with Ben's theory about them being junk traders dead on Jakku, it's because he was lying and didn't know gently caress all.
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Mr. Flunchy posted:I kinda read it that the Force is in everyone and everywhere (the idea of a strict division between non-Force users and Force users is pretty straightforwardly debunked by Luke) so it's a kind of spiritual liberation energy that exists outside of TLJ's weapons markets and fascist armies. It enables the kid who cleans up the poo poo in the animal stalls and the abandoned drug baby to free themselves from economic bondage. You could read it as a return to A New Hope - where, before the ‘mutant’ retcon, Obiwan was explicitly a charlatan who tricked Luke (a normal human) into believing he could gain magic powers if he just concentrated hard enough. Then, in Empire, Yoda takes Luke on this hallucinatory vision quest where his thought processes get very weird and Luke becomes fully indoctrinated. In this view, the broom in TLJ doesn’t actually move; the kid simply believes that it does. To say otherwise is to dismiss Han Solo’s correct observation that there is no mystical energy field that controls his destiny. But those films were a long time ago, and it’s been firmly established (and re-established in Rogue One) that ‘force sensitivity’ is a mutation that generates literal telekinetic abilities. People without the mutation cannot move things with their minds. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 01:01 on Dec 16, 2017 |
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Mr. Flunchy posted:Let it go dude, she's a nobody. It's much cooler this way. Listen, Obi-Wan said he fought with Luke's father in the clone wars and that's the end of it. Just let it go.
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BardoTheConsumer posted:You know, if you ignore the prequels the snoke problem solves itself because why should an entire galaxy necessarily have only one evil force wizard?
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:But those films were a long time ago, and it’s been firmly established (and re-established in Rogue One) that ‘force sensitivity’ is a mutation that generates literal telekinetic abilities. People without the mutation cannot move things with their minds. We're dealing with an cosmic intergalactic energy field, who gives a gently caress about the rules? Just have the next script say that Force exclusivity was a lie put about by the galactic elite to keep the poo poo cleaners, moisture farmers, slaves and drug babies in their place. Necrothatcher fucked around with this message at 01:07 on Dec 16, 2017 |
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PT6A posted:Also, and this is important: I'm 99% sure that Ben was lying his rear end off to Rey about her parents, to get her to leave the past behind and join him. Pretty sure they added the "You've always known it yourself, you just didn't want to admit it." line to make it clear that he isn't lying.
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They basically lifted the Mirror of Erised scene from the first Harry Potter movie where Harry finds a magic mirror and wishes to see the parents he never knew, but instead Rey is not granted that wish and is only shown herself, which I thought was a pretty on the nose way of telling the audience that the whole point is that her ancestry is honestly unimportant, but whatever
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Bottom Liner posted:Who else could they possibly be to have any story significance and make sense? They should have just made it so she didn't care who her parents were because it literally does not matter, but no, we get a dumbshit character that can't stop crying about her stupid parents that didn't care about her and she's holding out that they'll return to her lovely slave planet after two god drat decades. And the whole "payoff" is, hey, your parents weren't poo poo. The films spend too much time with this stuff reinforcing her dumb "I want my mommy and daddy!" plight. gently caress off with this. Luke wasn't a crybaby bitch about his parents, he just knew he was an orphan and wanted a life more than what Tatooine has to offer. Even when Luke asks Leia about their mother, they don't go on about it, "I kinda remember her, she was sad or something." And leave it at that, it's quick and effective in letting you know all you need to. I can't wait to see the loving mess Trevorrow is going to pinch from his rear end in a top hat with the next one.
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(Sorry if this was already mentioned, i'm working back through the thread) Did I miss a scene where Del Toro's character learned about the cloaked ships plan? I thought Finn and Rose still thought everyone was on the main transport.
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Hazo posted:Ok cool so I wasnt imagining things when I saw the kid use the force to levitate the broom into his hand? Because it was a split second thing that was never expounded upon and half the people I saw the movie with never even saw it. Yeah I saw that and kept expecting him to use the force in a more obvious way later in the scene and go "whoa"
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s.i.r.e. posted:I can't wait to see the loving mess Trevorrow is going to pinch from his rear end in a top hat with the next one. You'll be waiting forever because he was fired and Abrams is doing 9.
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Incredibly good decision to replace the guy who made the best Star Wars in 30 years with a hack
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qbert posted:You'll be waiting forever because he was fired and Abrams is doing 9.
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I enjoy how TFA presented two huge mysteries, Snoke's identity and Rey's origins, and then TLJ explicitly gave a giant middle finger to both of those mysteries and say they never loving mattered, it's in the past, let it go, let's all get the hell on with what's happening right now. I also enjoyed the rest of TLJ because it was good.
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Luke and Kylo are both right about wanting to burn everything down (literally or metaphorically) even though the latter's presented as evil and the former as stubbornly misguided
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