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Zane posted:the ot isn't about vader turning. that's what the prequels are about. the ot's dramatic arc is about the growth of luke from nobody to hero, from child to adult. that trajectory is completely intelligible. And I guess you are agreeing that Vader's turn in the OT is unintelligible.
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Zane posted:people didn't originally fall in love with star wars because they loved the entirely speculative six-episode--abortive--dramatic arc of vader's character. Falling in love with a movie is really weird. Is that what this is about? Do you think liking the prequels is cheating on the originals?
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Also it seems pretty obvious now that the reason Johnson has been given his own trilogy is that Disney can see the potential in his work, but it must be safely sectioned off from the mainline movies.
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Dec 16, 2017 03:58
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UmOk posted:The prequels are not about Anakin's turn. The prequels are about the parallel between Anakins fall and the fall of the Republic
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UmOk posted:The prequels are not about Anakin's turn. That is a small part of the whole. I think you should learn to watch movies better. Gatts posted:The Prequels into the Original Trilogy complete Vader's arc. Vader brings balance to the force or at least comes close. Luke is a part of this but that's not what that story is about. Even this sequel trilogy acts in Vader's shadow with Kylo Ren taking up Vader's mantle. And Luke's growth is really not that good. quote:And I guess you are agreeing that Vader's turn in the OT is unintelligible.
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UmOk posted:Falling in love with a movie is really weird. Is that what this is about? Do you think liking the prequels is cheating on the originals?
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Zane posted:it doesnt work. the entire dramatic arc is an abortion because anakin doesn't fall for an intelligible reason. you're dumb. Anakin is trained and encouraged to kill ‘the right people’, in the service of the capitalist Republic, from the age of 8 or whatever. He kills like 3 million people in the first film, and gets a parade partly in his honour. Then, the twist: capitalism is bad.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Anakin is trained and encouraged to kill ‘the right people’, in the service of the capitalist Republic, from the age of 8 or whatever. He kills like 3 million people in the first film, and gets a parade partly in his honour. 
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Dec 16, 2017 04:28
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Is this the first time a Star Wars action figure has appeared in a Star Wars movie (straw and horse dung Luke)
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Dec 16, 2017 04:36
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Zane posted:mind: blown The satirical point is that Anakin falls to the dark side halfway into Episode 1 and none of the good guys noticed, because they fuckin love the dark side. You didn’t notice either.
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Dec 16, 2017 04:52
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This movie is the worst movie of the year, worse than Jigsaw, worse than The Snowman.
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Dec 16, 2017 04:55
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I did not notice this, but did Luke actually say "laser sword" in this movie?
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The MSJ posted:I did not notice this, but did Luke actually say "laser sword" in this movie? He did. Other weird words mentioned in this film: rear end, bastard, and god
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Dec 16, 2017 04:59
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quote:rear end, bastard, and god Cool band name.
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The MSJ posted:I did not notice this, but did Luke actually say "laser sword" in this movie? It felt really out of place too. Like it was mocking all that Star Wars holds sacred
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Dec 16, 2017 05:02
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Samara posted:It felt really out of place too. Like it was mocking all that Star Wars holds sacred This is good. He's breaking the 4th wall and really falling to the dark side in making fun of the audience and the sagas. Let the hate flow....
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Samara posted:It felt really out of place too. Like it was mocking all that Star Wars holds sacred Luke is George Lucas
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e: wait, this was way back in the thread, never mind
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So with Carrie Fisher being deceased in real life, why did they make her such a huge part in this movie? They have her have force powers beyond belief, blow down a door to stun pilot guy, and still at the end of the movie shes alive going on to help lead the Rebellion! When will they let her rest?
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CelticPredator posted:rear end, bastard, and god What do people call asses in Star Wars? "Orse"? Your post actually remind me of one funny line from the Crait battle: "What the hell?" when a piece of the speeder fell off
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Tenzarin posted:So with Carrie Fisher being deceased in real life, why did they make her such a huge part in this movie? She passed after most of the production had been completed.
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Samara posted:It felt really out of place too. Like it was mocking all that Star Wars holds sacred Kylo Ren is first established as an immature young adult who literally worships Darth Vader without understanding really anything about him. Later he decides in a moment of clarity that what came before is not that important, at least insofar as what happens next. Luke is handed his lightsaber as if it's a +5 vorpal holy avenger. He immediately tosses it away, for among other reasons because it's a material thing with no inherent value. Later he burns the Jedi bibles. These and many other details are a direct attack on certain fans' obsession with "canonicity" (trivial non-knowledge) and idolatry. This eighth movie is also about different forms of Zen, which I thought was interesting. Various mentor characters share their theories, and are all intending that they be "surpassed" in different ways, though each has different methods and are frequently surprised (because they are surpassed). These themes are intertwined with variations on the classic plot beats, so it's got some depth to it in a very Star Warsian fashion that I think watchers will grow to appreciate with time. OR, some will ignore these fairly obvious elements and fixate on "factual" plot details and the "science." Name Change fucked around with this message at 05:33 on Dec 16, 2017 |
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Tenzarin posted:So with Carrie Fisher being deceased in real life, why did they make her such a huge part in this movie? They have her have force powers beyond belief, blow down a door to stun pilot guy, and still at the end of the movie shes alive going on to help lead the Rebellion! When will they let her rest? You might not have realised but all of those scenes were filmed while she was still alive.
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cargohills posted:You might not have realised but all of those scenes were filmed while she was still alive. "No one's every really gone" got me good.
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I thought the movie was pretty cool, if it did drag a bit at times. Most annoying to me was during the badass, QUIET suicide hyperspace scene some dumbass broke the silence by saying "BAM".
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Leia's force powers in the movie are kind of at the low end of the spectrum of what we've seen force users being capable of.
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Dec 16, 2017 05:44
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TFRazorsaw posted:Leia's force powers in the movie are kind of at the low end of the spectrum of what we've seen force users being capable of. I'd say Leia's the only Skywalker we've met who isn't on the spectrum
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PostNouveau posted:I missed Rey taking the old Jedi books. I guess Yoda blew up that tree to keep Luke from finding out they were already gone When did this happen? I didn't notice it either but have seen multiple people in the threads mention it.
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It didn't happen, also Rey was with Luke for multiple days not 16 hours or whatever insane gently caress people have said.
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Anakin calls lightsabers laser swords in TPM. "I saw your laser sword. Only Jedi carry that kind of weapon."
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Spacebump posted:When did this happen? I didn't notice it either but have seen multiple people in the threads mention it. The books show up in a filing cabinet on the Falcon at the end of the movie, but I'm almost positive we don't see when she takes them unless we're to assume she took them as soon as she found them. General Dog fucked around with this message at 06:01 on Dec 16, 2017 |
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When Finn opens some drawer on the Falcon at the end of the movie, all the Jedi bibles are inside. efb
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General Dog posted:The books show up in a filing cabinet on the Falcon at the end of the movie, but I'm almost positive we don't see when she takes them unless we're to assume she took them as soon as she found them. This is it. We do not see her take them. But they are there on the Falcon at the end.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:The satirical point is that Anakin falls to the dark side halfway into Episode 1 and none of the good guys noticed, because they fuckin love the dark side. 
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What are people's thoughts on the humor in the new movies? The exchange between Poe/Hux specifically.
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Popete posted:What are people's thoughts on the humor in the new movies? The exchange between Poe/Hux specifically. Everything was better than Jar Jar.
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Popete posted:What are people's thoughts on the humor in the new movies? The exchange between Poe/Hux specifically. The gag is cute, but it strains credulity that even a beta bitch like Hux would stay on the line getting made the fool for that long.
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Unormal posted:Everything was better than Jar Jar. That's not exactly a high bar. I know Star Wars isn't supposed to be super serious. I think seeing it in theater where people are laughing is also a bit different than at home so it's hard to gauge without seeing it again.
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Fuligin posted:i like that this movie had a WW2 bombers-with-ball-turrets scene, a Rashomon style scene twist, sick nasty kurosawa samurai sith, and that super cute resistance girl with the leia-tribute haircut. Gleeson continues to kill it That resistance girl is played by Billie Lourd; Carrie Fisher's daughter.  General Dog posted:Is this the first time a Star Wars action figure has appeared in a Star Wars movie (straw and horse dung Luke) Rey has a little cloth Rebellion pilot doll in her AT-AT home. And Luke had a model T-16 skyhopper than might have fit a 3.75" figure. Spacebump posted:When did this happen? I didn't notice it either but have seen multiple people in the threads mention it. When Rey is on the Falcon about to hop in the escape pod, you see her rummaging around in the same drawer that Finn later opens and the audience sees the Jedi texts. In a rare case of Yoda being 100% literal, the Tree didn't have anything Rey didn't already have. She pilfered the books and put them on the Falcon.
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Popete posted:What are people's thoughts on the humor in the new movies? The exchange between Poe/Hux specifically. Awful. Worst way to open a film that isn't supposed to be a comedy. One of the jokes could've made the point but not all three in quick succession.
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