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Dec 16, 2017 05:04
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Nelson Mandingo posted:Huh. I didn't really like it. Like, emotionally I feel the movie worked and a lot of specific scenes were great and beautifully done but just did not like the plot at all. That's because -irrespective of whether people liked the themes or whatever the gently caress- it's a really poorly made film. Nobody seems to be enforcing tight scripting anymore and a lot of films just loving suck because of it. That and the fact that everyone is so contemptuous of the idea of the logic of the scenarios in movies being scrutinized that filmmakers have stopped being thoughtful in constructing the conceits around which the plot is structured. The cruiser chase is a perfect example. It doesn't hold the slightest bit of water. It feels like first draft poo poo. When I first read Syd Field I was like, I don't have to subscribe to a system like this! I can do whatever I want! But film really does demand adherence to structure and a really finely tuned thrust to weight ratio. And damned if a movie doesn't work better the less bullshit you put in it. If you want a picture of what a great, tightly scripted and plotted movie looks like, look at the first Indiana Jones. Look at Happy Gilmore.
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Dec 16, 2017 05:06
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Chickenwalker posted:That's because -irrespective of whether people liked the themes or whatever the gently caress- it's a really poorly made film. Nobody seems to be enforcing tight scripting anymore and a lot of films just loving suck because of it. Empire Strikes Back. Every part of that film is working towards the final climax.
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Dec 16, 2017 05:08
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It's a wonderfully made film that is a tad looser than it should be. But everything lines up and makes sense so I don't know what the living gently caress you're talking about.
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Dec 16, 2017 05:09
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In no way does the slow cruiser chase - the plot device around which the entire film revolves - make any sort of sense, even by Star Wars's fast and loose standards.
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Dec 16, 2017 05:11
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Bottom Liner posted:
It literally has nothing to do with Rey being the lead or female; if any other character's driving force was as lovely as hers to get their parents back they would have been just as bad. It's not even that her motivation sucks, but so much of her dialogue and character building in the first half of TFA is "Gotta get back to Jakku, it's been 20 years but my fam is comin' back! Just you wait!" None of the characters really care about her family or even ask about them, why should the audience? And in the end Kylo ends it with "lol, they ain't poo poo. They're also dead by the way. Heh" The problem with it is there's way too much screen time is devoted to her talking about it and building her character around it and it comes ends with a wet fart. Considering both films are bloated, they could have trimmed this stuff and it would be all the better for it. Chill Penguin posted:It is awesome that Star Wars Kid (Ghyslain Raza) is canon now lol, no one knows the power of the golf ball retriever.
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Dec 16, 2017 05:11
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tell us more about how you hate that a woman is the lead role in Star Wars
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Rey is the first child born of Luke's failed New Jedi Order. Ren killed her parents but was unable to slay the baby when destroying Luke's New Temple and gave her to his father to hide (on Jakku) out of guilt. If you need me, I'll be screenwriting my future alternate cut of Episode 9
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Dec 16, 2017 05:12
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Wank posted:It has the same "just film the first draft" issues that the prequels have.
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Dec 16, 2017 05:12
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"If we turn off the tracker on Snoke's ship, we'll have time to get away." "But you just said all the destroyers have that tracking equipment. Are they just... not using it?" "Well, you see, Poe, the First Order is a cheap stand-in for the Alt-Right. Now, we have the make out the FO to be blindingly incompetent because it was problematic to certain individuals who bring far too much baggage to the cinema that people thought the Empire was cool."
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Dec 16, 2017 05:13
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Pakled posted:Also, did I miss something or did nothing that Finn and Rose do matter at all to the main plot They inspire the farmhands at the end of the movie, which is a loving metaphor for the fate of the Rebellion going forward. Hearts and minds, not suicide runs on super-weapons.
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Dec 16, 2017 05:13
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s.i.r.e. posted:It literally has nothing to do with Rey being the lead or female; if any other character's driving force was as lovely as hers to get their parents back they would have been just as bad. I hhmm yes she totally didn't want to defeat the bad guys because they caused her plight and she idolized the rebels nope never happened
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Dec 16, 2017 05:13
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s.i.r.e. posted:It literally has nothing to do with Rey being the lead or female; if any other character's driving force was as lovely as hers to get their parents back they would have been just as bad. It's not even that her motivation sucks, but so much of her dialogue and character building in the first half of TFA is "Gotta get back to Jakku, it's been 20 years but my fam is comin' back! Just you wait!" None of the characters really care about her family or even ask about them, why should the audience? And in the end Kylo ends it with "lol, they ain't poo poo. They're also dead by the way. Heh" The problem with it is there's way too much screen time is devoted to her talking about it and building her character around it and it comes ends with a wet fart. Considering both films are bloated, they could have trimmed this stuff and it would be all the better for it. They could have trimmed... the protagonists entire motivation and arc? The movie's theme of letting go of the past? It isn't that I don't understand why you think that, it's that I don't want to understand why you think that.
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Dec 16, 2017 05:14
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Rian Johnson isn't that good at movies. Brick worked but it had a very simple narrative structure. Looper is kind of a mess.
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Dec 16, 2017 05:14
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I enjoyed it a lot, but that only thing that I really disliked was Leiah floating back into the ship God, that was dumb and unecesary. Why not just have her passed out after a blast as the only survivor? Whatever, still liked it a lot and I really liked those little bird things
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Dec 16, 2017 05:16
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KaptainKrunk posted:In no way does the slow cruiser chase - the plot device around which the entire film revolves - make any sort of sense, even by Star Wars's fast and loose standards. The bad guys are trying to kill the rebels by picking them off as they fall behind until they run out of gas, and then they can kill them all. What's not to get
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Dec 16, 2017 05:16
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Why don't they send TIE fighters to attack the cruiser (which has no ships to defend itself with and is facing its shields backwards)? You know, the thing they did earlier in the movie and were wildly successful doing.
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Dec 16, 2017 05:18
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When is the Maz Kanata side movie coming out
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Dec 16, 2017 05:19
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The Glumslinger posted:I enjoyed it a lot, but that only thing that I really disliked was Leiah floating back into the ship Dude, Leia force-gliding through space was the sickest, most reverent moment in the film, and the second best cinematic shot behind the huge FO ship being suicide bombed by Diane
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Dec 16, 2017 05:21
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KaptainKrunk posted:Why don't they send TIE fighters to attack the cruiser (which has no ships to defend itself with and is facing its shields backwards)? Why risk TIE pilots when the enemy is inevitably boned?
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Dec 16, 2017 05:21
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I feel like the bigger issue with the whole "slowly running out of fuel" situation was that it was unclear what the Resistance even is at this point. How can they have no supporters? The First Order just blew up Washington DC, and only 100 people in the whole country care? If so, gently caress the galaxy, they deserve whatever they have coming if the Resistance gets blown up.
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Dec 16, 2017 05:22
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CelticPredator posted:The bad guys are trying to kill the rebels by picking them off as they fall behind until they run out of gas, and then they can kill them all. The planet within driving distance that no one looks at until Leia points it out. The First Order being unable to call in allies to head them off. The cloaked ships that can be found with a scan that the First Order waited to do for reasons. Losing two ships (with pilots!) and then deciding to hyper-kamikaze the last. The fact that people literally leave the chase in the middle and go for a trip. The ship chase conceit is garbage
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Dec 16, 2017 05:23
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Martman posted:This criticism has always been dumb, for every movie, but just lol at the idea that Disney was rushing this out in any way, shape or form. Its just shorthand for needing more time, or care on the structure, story etc. Lucas was always budget restrained. He wanted star wars to be made as cheap as possible since that meant more money in his pocket. Disney is very much deadline restrained and need a consistent pipeline of movies delivered on time. Admittedly this movie was delayed by six month but I doubt to fix pre-filming issues and no way they don't have one of these each year. These franchises turn movie making into a supply chain problem.
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Dec 16, 2017 05:25
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Waffles Inc. posted:when nothing happens with it whatsoever be prepared for people to laugh at how subversive it is that the previous film is essentially meaningless I think the fact that three more films will be directed by this director insure that the things he established eventually get used. I mean if he actually makes it there.
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Dec 16, 2017 05:25
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BardoTheConsumer posted:Why risk TIE pilots when the enemy is inevitably boned? Ah yes, the First Order caring so much about its slaves. We saw Kylo and a two of them take out the bridge. It's also explicitly stated that the Resistance has allies in the Outer Rim, so they could have arrived to help. Or they could have taken off on transports and slipped away. There's no reason not to just finish them right away, and we're not even given a throwaway line about how Hux wants to make them suffer and slowly realize they are doomed IIRC, or about how he wants to draw out their allies (that never come anyway, but it'd go a long way towards explaining their otherwise stupid actions).
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Dec 16, 2017 05:25
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BardoTheConsumer posted:Why risk TIE pilots when the enemy is inevitably boned? Since when has the Empire ever cared about the lives of its people? And, I mean, the FO is apparently supposed to be even crueler and viler so why are they suddenly concerned about lives? Literally three TIEs take out the cruiser's hanger and bridge. Three fighters.
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Dec 16, 2017 05:25
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Milky Moor posted:Since when has the Empire ever cared about the lives of its people? KaptainKrunk posted:Ah yes, the First Order caring so much about its slaves. We saw Kylo and a two of them take out the bridge. Fine. Why risk TIE fighters then?
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Dec 16, 2017 05:27
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Wank posted:Its just shorthand for needing more time, or care on the structure, story etc. quote:Lucas was always budget restrained. He wanted star wars to be made as cheap as possible since that meant more money in his pocket.
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Dec 16, 2017 05:28
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i knew this movie was going to be great the moment Luke said 'laser sword'
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Dec 16, 2017 05:28
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BardoTheConsumer posted:Fine. Why risk TIE fighters then? Since when has the Empire cared about losing TIEs? And, I mean, the FO is apparently supposed to have Bigger, Better Weapons, so, why are they suddenly concerned about losing TIEs? They didn't seem to care about the loss of Starkiller Base. This'd make sense if the FO wasn't much bigger than the Resistance, and maybe had to be prepared to face the Republic Fleet -- but that fleet was wiped out entirely in TFA and the FO stands unopposed as per the opening crawl, so, what's twelve fighters to ensure that you win here and now and that the Resistance doesn't pull some McGuffin out of their butt?
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Dec 16, 2017 05:31
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KaptainKrunk posted:It's also explicitly stated that the Resistance has allies in the Outer Rim It's stated that they think they do. They also think they are going to send out a message for assistance and people will care. People did not care. Milky Moor posted:what's twelve fighters to ensure that you win here and now and that the Resistance doesn't pull some McGuffin out of their butt? Just because they can be tracked when they jump doesn't mean they don't get a little bit of a headstart. If they jump to the right place and scatter, it could take days to track them and some might get away. The way it was going in like 10 hours almost the totality of the Resistance died. They went from thousands over multiple ships to enough people to squeeze into the Falcon. Objectively the First Order did pretty drat well for themselves.
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Dec 16, 2017 05:36
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Unoriginal Name posted:The planet within driving distance that no one looks at until Leia points it out. The First Order being unable to call in allies to head them off. The cloaked ships that can be found with a scan that the First Order waited to do for reasons. Losing two ships (with pilots!) and then deciding to hyper-kamikaze the last. The fact that people literally leave the chase in the middle and go for a trip. The ship chase conceit is garbage I'm kinda wirh you, but not all your points hold up I think Hux's hubris and seemingly personal vendetta forced him to pursue them in his bigass space destroyer ship, and Wasn't the The scan enabled by DJ's sick slicing skills? As for the BK kids' side story, they travel thru hyperspace, are on the casino planet for one crazy night, who TF knows how Time even works in a galaxy far far away? Imagine four Reys (or two Lukes) on the edge of a cliff... That being said the ship chase conceit is still garbage. There's a reason those types of scenes are relegated to the intros and finales of previous Star wars
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Dec 16, 2017 05:40
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Things that I liked: -The interaction between Kylo and Rey, even if the "we can rule the galaxy together" thing was an obvious ESB throwback. -Going along with this, the obvious portrayal (as per TFA) of Kylo and Rey as grown-ups who don't know how to control their emotions (which almost seemed to be a commentary on millennials?). -The rebel command ship light-speed suiciding into Snoke's super star destroyer. -The opening battle sequence, particularly showing the cost on the rebel forces. Those bombers getting destroyed almost felt like the jump scene in Band of Brothers. -Luke's dimishing/IDGAF connection to the force, which I thought made the astral projection satisfying at the end. It was a good contrast to the all-powerful Luke of yore. Things that I didn't like: -Leia flying around in open space after literally getting torpedoed (I mean come on, that's a stretch even for a fantasy movie). -That loving horrible kiss. -The code breaking subplot was obvious filler and did nothing, as others have said. Sure, it provided some backstory for Rose, but who gives a gently caress about Rose? -Someone obviously forgot to tell Benicia del Toro that this wasn't a sequel to "The Usual Suspects" (hand me da lightsaba you fuggin cocksuckah). -Couldn't we have kept Phasma around for the finale? She was one of the cooler villains in the series. All in all, an excellent movie. As with TFA/ANH, it was derivative of its source material (ESB) in terms of plot and pacing, but whatevs. Still enjoyed it.
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Dec 16, 2017 05:43
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Chill Penguin posted:Wasn't the The scan enabled by DJ's sick slicing skills? No, he just told them to do it. No explanation is given to know how he knew the rebels were using cloaked transports, but this is just one of many pivotal plot points that falls apart the moment you stop and think about it.
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Dec 16, 2017 05:45
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Varam posted:No, he just told them to do it. No explanation is given to know how he knew the rebels were using cloaked transports, but this is just one of many pivotal plot points that falls apart the moment you stop and think about it. It gets even better because Leia says something like 'Holdo knew that the FO is only tracking our big ship and won't be looking for little transports'. I think this is when Poe wakes up on the transport. Why didn't they split up if they're only tracking the cruiser? If the ships being cloaked doesn't matter to the overall escape plan, why bring it up at all? Again, if Holdo was an Admiral and the message of this film is some 'subversive' 'trust the authority figures' thing -- why the hell did Holdo not split the fleet and do something sensible? Keeping those ships and crews together until they ran out of fuel got them killed. Milkfred E. Moore fucked around with this message at 05:56 on Dec 16, 2017 |
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Dec 16, 2017 05:49
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IT BURNS posted:-The code breaking subplot was obvious filler and did nothing, as others have said. Sure, it provided some backstory for Rose, but who gives a gently caress about Rose? It gave backstory for the galactic conflict, showed why spreading hope mattered, and gave all of the characters involved actual growth while also making GBS threads on Rogue One.
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Dec 16, 2017 05:55
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Unoriginal Name posted:Rey is the first child born of Luke's failed New Jedi Order. Ren killed her parents but was unable to slay the baby when destroying Luke's New Temple and gave her to his father to hide (on Jakku) out of guilt. I like this and it would make sense why he got so mad at the mention of a girl on Jakku in TFA and why he lied in TLJ. KaptainKrunk posted:Why don't they send TIE fighters to attack the cruiser (which has no ships to defend itself with and is facing its shields backwards)? There was more than one line talking about how they got out of tie fighter range. Unoriginal Name posted:The planet within driving distance that no one looks at until Leia points it out. The First Order being unable to call in allies to head them off. The cloaked ships that can be found with a scan that the First Order waited to do for reasons. Losing two ships (with pilots!) and then deciding to hyper-kamikaze the last. The fact that people literally leave the chase in the middle and go for a trip. The ship chase conceit is garbage There was a line about the planet being unknown so FO didn't know it was there. BDT specifically told them how to scan for the ships, they specifically said they don't show up on normal scans that they were doing. Goons are so bad at watching movies and paying attention.
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Dec 16, 2017 05:57
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How was Luke able to touch Leia?
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Dec 16, 2017 05:57
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Chill Penguin posted:How was Luke able to touch Leia? Movie doesn't explain. Make up your own ideas in your head.
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Dec 16, 2017 06:01
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Chill Penguin posted:How was Luke able to touch Leia? With the force.
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Dec 16, 2017 06:02
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D-Pad posted:I like this and it would make sense why he got so mad at the mention of a girl on Jakku in TFA and why he lied in TLJ. It makes her just another privileged snowflake. It's better that she's a crack baby. Chill Penguin posted:How was Luke able to touch Leia? How was Ben able to touch Rey?
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Dec 16, 2017 06:03
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