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System Metternich posted:Well, that's not entirely true: Early modern Catholics in general had significantly more children than early modern Protestants, but as infant mortality tended to be higher amongst Catholics as well, the total population numbers are still comparable. There were plenty of other factors at play besides denomination, of course (like social standing, economic stability and the difference between urban and rural populations), but in general the early modern trend of Catholics with more children/higher infant mortality and Protestants with fewer children and lower infant mortality holds. In some places Catholic infant mortality even rose as late as the late 18th century, and at least in one area (Oberkassel near Bonn) it could be proven that in times of crises or economic distress Catholics tended to have even more children, whereas Protestants had fewer whereas rich Protestants had on average more children than rich Catholics, interestingly. The same study (here if you're interested, though only in German I'm afraid) showed that Protestants on the whole enjoyed a higher life expectancy than Catholics and from about 1750 also tended to marry earlier, which in spite of their having a lower children/time ratio (so to speak) led to them eventually outperforming Catholics on the demographic front from the late 18th century onwards. Add to that other religion-based factors like that Protestants probably tended to favour having a professional midwife, whereas Catholics placed more importance on having the child baptised no matter what, which in some cases could and did place both child and mother in danger, the fact that early modern Catholics ended up joining an explicitly celibate clergy in huge numbers, thereby removing themselves from the gene pool, as well as a ton of other factors that might or might not be connected with denomination (like economic performance and official population policy, whose possible connection to denomination I needn't go into here) and you have the recipe for Protestant populations in the long view growing faster than Catholic ones. Another informative post from System Metternich. I only remembered the broad outlines from my college days, and they never really mentioned religion. Are you pursuing a doctorate that involves this subject? Again, really interesting. Phlegmish fucked around with this message at 23:29 on Dec 15, 2017 |
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Yeah, I vaguely remember coming across the word "Gallicanism" on wiki but I did not know most of that. I wonder how much of the distrust of the "foreign" orders like the Jesuits, Franciscans, etc. Is rooted in the Hapsburg/Bourbon rivalry and the sense that if the king didn't control the church it would control him.
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Phlegmish posted:Another informative post from System Metternich. I only remembered the broad outlines from my college days, and they never really mentioned religion. Are you pursuing a doctorate that involves this subject? Thanks!  it's only an MA, but yeah, baroque Catholicism is kinda a passion of mine 
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Speaking as an outsider, the political/religious sphere of European history is fascinating to me
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Dreddout posted:Speaking as an outsider, the political/religious sphere of European history is fascinating to me Same. I like this sort of thing even more than the maps in the thread tbh.
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It's like Game of Thrones but with more sex and characters.
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Honj Steak posted:It's like Game of Thrones but with more incest and murder.
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So Crusader Kings 2.
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one of the rare maps of the united states you could easily remove alaska and hawaii from without losing anything
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boner confessor posted:one of the rare maps of the united states you could easily remove alaska and hawaii from without losing anything I think Alaska’s would be interesting because of the rise of Anchorage and Fairbanks.  e: No census data prior to 1960 is the problem.
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boner confessor posted:one of the rare maps of the united states you could easily remove alaska and hawaii from without losing anything Virtually all maps of the United States omit Puerto Rico, Guam, US Virgin Islands, American Samoa, the Northern Mariana Islands. About 4 million people and nobody ever gives a gently caress. I think all maps of the US should just randomly drop states.
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i don't really get this one. Why have all the centres of population slightly moved? Have the big cities got up and shuffled twenty miles down the road or something? EDIT, ah, mean, so it's not just a marker of 'biggest city', but the average centre of population in the state. never mind.
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I like that you can really see the effect of air conditioning on Florida settlement there. And the shrinking importance of the San Francisco-Sacramento axis in comparison to Southern California as well.
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mediadave posted:i don't really get this one. Why have all the centres of population slightly moved? Have the big cities got up and shuffled twenty miles down the road or something? Some states have different big cities now than they did in 1910. Or at least different biggest cities.
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The center of population moving away from the two largest cities in Texas is interesting, especially since they have both grown massively in the time period.
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Orange Devil posted:Virtually all maps of the United States omit Puerto Rico, Guam, US Virgin Islands, American Samoa, the Northern Mariana Islands. none of those are states fishmech posted:I like that you can really see the effect of air conditioning on Florida settlement there. And the shrinking importance of the San Francisco-Sacramento axis in comparison to Southern California as well. well that and industrial methods of drainage. pretty much all of south florida was carved out of a swamp, in 1910 miami had less than two thousand residents. now it's the seventh largest metro in the us
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I would like to see politically-loaded maps that include all the US territories. I don't, at this moment, care what they're about.
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Bongo Bill posted:I would like to see politically-loaded maps that include all the US territories. I don't, at this moment, care what they're about. 
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Bongo Bill posted:I would like to see politically-loaded maps that include all the US territories. I don't, at this moment, care what they're about. 
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That's the opposite of what I asked for!
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Bongo Bill posted:That's the opposite of what I asked for! Very well. YOU ASKED FOR THIS. 
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Yes. Yes!
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That bird looks like a sick eagle-vulture hybrid about to vomit. 
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Bongo Bill posted:I would like to see politically-loaded maps that include all the US territories. I don't, at this moment, care what they're about.  Politically Loaded because like 3 countries claim Navassa. (which isn't even an island iirc)
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Looks island-y enough to me?
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What would Navassa be if not an island?  It’s been around since at least 1504. Here it is embarrassing some well‐known islands.   
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ecureuilmatrix posted:Looks island-y enough to me? Woops I was thinking of Bajo Nuevo which is just reef.
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ecureuilmatrix posted:Looks island-y enough to me? This is american soil and clearly has been since time immemorial
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Bongo Bill posted:Yes. Yes! -Sickos
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:This is american soil and clearly has been since time immemorial I don't see any bat poop, but I'll allow it.
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Senor Dog posted:I don't see any bat poop, but I'll allow it. “Guano” also refers to bird poop. 
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:This is american soil and clearly has been since time immemorial You're going to be really upset when I tell you about a place called the Isle of Pines.
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Ah yes, the famous FTownley Tdor ASFfdfgkj park
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Darkest Auer posted:Ah yes, the famous FTownley Tdor ASFfdfgkj park Is that Welsh?
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ecureuilmatrix posted:Looks island-y enough to me? Looks like a crocodile's head.
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Powered Descent posted:Is that Welsh? For years, a park somewhere in NL had, in Google maps, not the actual name of the park, but a set of two names that I'm reasonably certain must've been the names of the two ponies that lived in a pen in the middle of the park. Google maps has a thing where you can send in corrections, I think I tried that once or twice but they just ignored it. It's been fixed now but it took them years.
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It's neat but the inset map annoys me because we didn't acquire East Florida until 1819.
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