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So before I knew what was going on with the projection stuff near the end, I was really confused about Luke's appearance and untimely arrival. All I could think about was this:
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First order went from being a tough scary military, almost a cult when firing the star destroyer 2.0 but yeah I guess some grunts were admitted to Sonic's casino zone and talked to the Newsies
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Dec 16, 2017 18:35
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I saw this movie yesterday. It was pretty good, I can see why they gave the guy more movies to do. The silent ramming of the dreadnought was probably some of the coolest poo poo I've ever seen.Vintersorg posted:Leia should have died in that scene. It would have made the rise of purple hair feel better. Finn should have also died and then he could have been the hero Rose thought he was. I think they needed Leia to come back to convince Poe that Purple Hair Lady had the right idea all along. The funny thing is that the entire "get onboard the dreadnought and turn off the tracker" plot is the downfall of the Rebels. If Poe, Finn, and Rose hadn't come up with that plan, the First Order would never have known to look for cloaked transports, and they could have gone to that base undetected. As for the bombs, I just figured the gravity of the dreadnought pulled the bombs out of the bomber. ImpAtom posted:Kylo Ren never teased about destroying the anything. He was a whiny pissbaby because he wasn't on top. His big moment of waffling was *not* killing Leia. People take his speech about destroying the old and miss the fact that it's "let's destroy the old SO WE'RE AT THE TOP" I'm pretty sure when he says to destroy the light side, and dark side, and rebels, he specifically leaves out the first order.
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Dec 16, 2017 18:36
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I just realized how many similarities exist between TLJ and another Disney film: Moana. The story of a girl seeking out a demigod on an island who turns out to be mean and jaded and nothing like she expected. Nevertheless she persists in trying to convince him to help her defeat the evil that is threatening her friends/family. He helps her learn the skills she needs to defeat that evil. But it turns out that the evil was actually created by the demigod through his hubris, and the girl ends up teaching the demigod to believe in himself once again and be a hero, even if being a hero means something different than he originally thought. I guess what I’m saying is, Luke Skywalker singing “You’re Welcome” would be amazing. Or Snoke singing “Shiny” with his gold robes on.
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Dec 16, 2017 18:38
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This movie had objects falling down in space all the goddamn time, as soon as an engine goes out stuff begins falling. How are the bombs different?
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Dec 16, 2017 18:39
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Junkie Disease posted:First order went from being a tough scary military, almost a cult when firing the star destroyer 2.0 but yeah I guess some grunts were admitted to Sonic's casino zone and talked to the Newsies yeah man, it's impossible for legends and stories to spread of incredible events.
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Dec 16, 2017 18:39
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emanresu tnuocca posted:This movie had objects falling down in space all the goddamn time, as soon as an engine goes out stuff begins falling. How are the bombs different? Well the bomber itself had gravity so it's not unrealistic to think that the bombs fell to the point of gravity and just had momentum when they entered open space. At least that is what I'm going with. Magic gravity generator in the ships.
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Dec 16, 2017 18:42
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Martman posted:I think Luke getting dark and angry makes sense. By the end of RotJ, he's confronted his own inner demons and overcome them, yes, but he hasn't been faced with the inherent failures/corruption of the Republic. We last see him basically thinking that he won the greatest battle ever, he helped redeem his dad's soul, and the Good Guys are gonna be back in power. So are you suggesting the Republic's problems are why Ben became Kylo(because that's what led to Luke being what he is in the new movie)? I guess that's sort of in line with his commitment to the Dark Side even though he's "tempted by the Light". But the original trilogy is already kind of about confronting the Republic's failings more than this new series is, the Empire is the combined failings of the Republic made manifest, in these new ones the Republic is simply taken over by an opposing force from nowhere. Also, there's not even a hint of an alternative to the Republic, the only thing separating the good guys and the Republic is that the former is more willing to fight the First Order.
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Positives: -Luke was excellent, I liked they didn't have him copying Obi-Wan but he kept his traits from the original trilogy. Yoda showing up and burning the tree was a highlight. -Rey/Kylo were good. I was surprised they rushed the Snoke confrontation, but the fight scene was exciting. -The "don't trust a random scoundrel" plot twist was nice. -The salt planet had neat visuals. Negatives: -The main plot of the First Order Fleet chasing the Resistance cruiser was terrible, and didn't fit in with what we know about starships in the other films. Since when does every capital ship in the universe, from small frigates to massive First Order flagships, go at the exact same speed for 12 hours?! There was no explanation to why the First Order wasn't launching fighters or bombers, especially as the movie began with a reminder that capital ships are bad at shooting down fighters. -The "they can track us through lightspeed" plot was unexplained and awful, and had been done much better in Battlestar Galactica's "33" episode. If they are just tracking the main cruiser, why don't the escorts leave? -The "jump to lightspeed, kamikaze a massive fleet" nonsense. -General Hux went from being competent enough to destroy most of the Republic in VII to an idiot for Kylo to slap. -The Finn/Rose romance was rushed. They've known each other for half a day, and she loves him? -BB-8 went from being an enjoyable character to the godlike R2-D2 of Revenge of the Sith. He's a drat repair droid, how is he subduing and gagging a police department? Then hopping in an AT-ST and driving it with no problem. -Why did Luke die? He wasn't too old, or sick, or injured. It felt tacked on and unneeded, and a bad way to send off an iconic character. Overall too long and by the numbers. I'd put it above Episodes I & II, but that's it.
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Dec 16, 2017 18:48
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Dexo posted:yeah man, it's impossible for legends and stories to spread of incredible events. Seriously who talks to those kids? They were very well dressed for being raised to hyenaraff race by a giant roach
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Dec 16, 2017 18:56
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Hyrax Attack! posted:-Why did Luke die? He wasn't too old, or sick, or injured. It felt tacked on and unneeded, and a bad way to send off an iconic character. I guess he used too much force juice projecting himself across the galaxy, but it was kind of lame.
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Dec 16, 2017 18:58
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Why did Obi Wan die? He wasn’t too old or sick either.
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Mahoning posted:Why did Obi Wan die? He wasn’t too old or sick either. actor wanted the gently caress out
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Dec 16, 2017 19:01
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Junkie Disease posted:actor wanted the gently caress out He was in Empire and ROTJ
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Mahoning posted:Why did Obi Wan die? He wasn’t too old or sick either. If I remember correctly he got a lightsaber through his torso. But really only his physical form is gone. Luke's physical form is gone too, but he really isn't dead.
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Mahoning posted:He was in Empire and ROTJ From a certain point of view. Mahoning posted:He was in Empire and ROTJ
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Should Kylo Ren have noticed the laser sword Luke was using in their "fight" was Anakin's...the one that Ren and Rey mutually destroyed in Snoke's thrown room just minutes prior? I guess it's just master-jedi level trolling, what with Luke looking younger like he did when they fought the first time? Luke leaving no red footprints when he moved also should have tipped him off? Did Luke die because he used so too much force power to astral project himself to Crait?
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Yes Kylo Ren should have noticed that, and the fact that Luke hadn’t aged a day since the last time he saw him.
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Dec 16, 2017 19:07
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All I need in life is a loop gif of Luke throwing Darth Vaders lightsaber over his shoulder and walking off. That was the best scene in the whole movie.
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Dec 16, 2017 19:07
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At first I was like: did he loving shave and dye his hair on the way there?? But HAR HAR it was an ~illusion~
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Dec 16, 2017 19:07
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The kids playing out the scene of the movie is just self-referential backpatting, telling us that the events of the movie are totally Cool and Important. As a whole the movie is just an Operation Margarine story, starting out by criticizing an institution and then defying those criticisms by underlining how great the institution is in spite of itself.. Sure the Jedi kind of suck when you think about it, but still, wouldn't it be nice to have telekinesis and fight bad guys? That's why the movie ends with the promise that any kid could get magic powers, moving towards a Harry Potter fantasy.
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Dec 16, 2017 19:08
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Luke had to die because the film is about individualism vs collectivism. His thematic arc is going from living in hiding on an isolated rock cut off from the Force to willingly becoming one with it. At the end, his Force projection hijinks make him understand that his physical actions are nothing compared with what he can do from within the collective flow of the Force. He reaches nirvana and transcends. It's hands down the coolest ending for the character.
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Dec 16, 2017 19:09
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Mr. Flunchy posted:Luke had to die because the film is about individualism vs collectivism. His thematic arc is going from living in hiding on an isolated rock cut off from the Force to willingly becoming one with it. At the end, his Force projection hijinks make him understand that his physical actions are nothing compared with what he can do from within the collective flow of the Force. He reaches nirvana and transcends. The Force is an incredibly lame religion. It would have been better to remove all the magic power bullcrap.
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Dec 16, 2017 19:11
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:The Force is an incredibly lame religion. It would have been better to remove all the magic power bullcrap. Jedi-ism and Sith-ism are lame religions. The Force objectively exists.
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Dec 16, 2017 19:12
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Mr. Flunchy posted:Jedi-ism and Sith-ism are lame religions. The Force objectively exists. Your definition of the Force religion is using magic powers to achieve nirvana. It's a very insipid interpretation of religion, and one of the reasons Star Wars is crap.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:The Force is an incredibly lame religion. It would have been better to remove all the magic power bullcrap. so basically exactly what they did in rogue one?
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Dec 16, 2017 19:18
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Beeez posted:So are you suggesting the Republic's problems are why Ben became Kylo(because that's what led to Luke being what he is in the new movie)?
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Your definition of the Force religion is using magic powers to achieve nirvana. It's a very insipid interpretation of religion, and one of the reasons Star Wars is crap. I gotta ask, why did you go see the movie at all?
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Dec 16, 2017 19:21
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Martman posted:I kind of feel the opposite. I think Luke was clearly getting paranoid and dark, and acted as a terrible teacher to Ben. IMO that's what drove him to become Kylo. Well, it's only paranoia if the thing isn't actually happening. Snoke objectively -was- loving around and corrupting Ben and the other apprentices. Luke understood that something was very wrong but probably had no idea Snoke was out there doing his Sith thing.
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Dec 16, 2017 19:22
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Mr. Flunchy posted:I gotta ask, why did you go see the movie at all? That is how you find out what a movie is like.
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Dec 16, 2017 19:23
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:That is how you find out what a movie is like. Fair enough, but if you think the central (kinda) principle of the franchise is crap then maybe there's not much here for you? For example, I didn't get anything out of Twilight 1, so I didn't go and see the rest of them.
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Mr. Flunchy posted:Fair enough, but if you think the central (kinda) principle of the franchise is crap then maybe there's not much here for you? There are Star Wars movies that have handled the Force well. The Prequels showed that Force powers are just a weapon for aristocratic morons who got themselves destroyed. Rogue One had a man powered by religious conviction who managed to be surpass the Jedi without light-sabres or magic tricks, underlining how bad the Jedi are.
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PT6A posted:Nah, that's where his character arc starts. For not-a-coward, he certainly spends a lot of time fleeing from poo poo. I don't like that they had him try to escape in that escape pod, because I don't think those pods have hyperdrives. Where would he go? The First Order would have just popped him out of space. It made zero sense. Kurzon fucked around with this message at 19:47 on Dec 16, 2017 |
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Darth Walrus posted:I think one important thing to remember is that ever since the dark side was introduced in the original trilogy, it’s been an integral part of the cosmic power binding the universe together. It’s not something you defeat, it’s something you live with, the constant, gnawing temptation to do the wrong thing. It’s why the Jedi’s elitist approach failed - they tried to concentrate power and knowledge into a small, exclusive group of warrior-monks, and the inhuman self-control required to wield such power responsibly (and the lack of adequate checks against someone so powerful going rogue) broke them. Plus, y’know, exclusivity breeds selfishness, and selfishness is the heart of the dark side. Better to empower everyone, so that even if some fall, many others are there to stop them, and so that many minds and many perspectives are available on how to minimise that sort of problem. Which would have worked if the movies actually showed this Darth Walrus posted:I think one important thing to remember is that ever since the dark side was introduced in the original trilogy, it’s been an integral part of the cosmic power binding the universe together. It’s not something you defeat, it’s something you live with, the constant, gnawing temptation to do the wrong thing. It’s why the Jedi’s elitist approach failed - they tried to concentrate power and knowledge into a small, exclusive group of warrior-monks, and the inhuman self-control required to wield such power responsibly (and the lack of adequate checks against someone so powerful going rogue) broke them. Plus, y’know, exclusivity breeds selfishness, and selfishness is the heart of the dark side. Better to empower everyone, so that even if some fall, many others are there to stop them, and so that many minds and many perspectives are available on how to minimise that sort of problem.
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The Golden Gael posted:So before I knew what was going on with the projection stuff near the end, I was really confused about Luke's appearance and untimely arrival. All I could think about was this: Same except for him using anikins lightsaber
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Dec 16, 2017 19:54
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The more I think about star wars episode viii the last jedi the more i realise how insanely awesome it was
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one thing: when the falcon came swooping in at the end with rey blasting all the tie fighters I was really hoping luke was in the other gun pod, but what we got instead was pretty cool too i guess
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fridge corn posted:one thing: when the falcon came swooping in at the end with rey blasting all the tie fighters I was really hoping luke was in the other gun pod, but what we got instead was pretty cool too i guess I was also hoping for this. Oh well. Also, the more I think about the movie, the more i think it was both amazing and also had some really big holes.
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The more I think about it the more it becomes apparent that it was a movie and that it will make a lot of money.
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