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"Non-wage labor cost" is a bit of a mouthful, though. Of course this kind of comparison is dishonest because in France it includes stuff that's not covered in other countries -- in other words, it's not that more has to be paid, it's just that the accounting is done differently.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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blowfish posted:The UK historically owned parts of France so technically it's consistent for some dumb kipper to campaign there? It's way more likely she's French and just didn't think anything of it when she bought her coat. I saw this on a video from Ajaccio on election night, lending credence to my theory that any assemblage of Europeans of sufficient size will spontaneously create a Breton or Basque flag, with modifiers for music festivals and left wing political events respectively. 
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blowfish posted:The UK historically owned parts of France so technically it's consistent for some dumb kipper to campaign there? The UK never owned parts of France, but even if you had written England that would be technically incorrect, the worst kind of incorrect. Even though the Duke of Normandy was identical to the King of England for some time, Normandy was still part of the French Crown not the english one. 
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quote:Perhaps its no surprise a pro-free trade, liberal, globalization supporting magazine chose France in the year a pro-globalization, economically liberal, progressive 39-year-old (40 on Thursday) became the president of a country after five years of near-stagnation under a Socialist leader. I stopped reading after this because I was too busy stabbing myself in the face.
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Joyeux noël mes amis islamo gauchistes. Why people in the north of France buy white cars is a mystery to me.....
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Poor Gérard Collomb is sad that people call him a fascist
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Israeli financial daily Globes: France sets up tax dept to investigate Jews "In Paris's 12th arrondissement, on Bercy Street by the banks of the River Seine, on the 13th floor of the Ministry of Finance is France's tax authority headquarters. Something has been afoot there recently that is liable to upset French Jews and spook their relations with the country in which they live. Under the radar, a secret department has been created with the sole purpose of handling tax evasion by French Jews. "Globes" can reveal for the first time the details of the secret department that is targeting Jews in France and new immigrants from France in Israel." Has this gotten any coverage in France? Does it sound credible?
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Le Monde did yesterday. The Ministry of Finance is denying it completely (and also notes that the Bercy building doesn't even have a 13th floor). Le Monde quotes an anonymous civil servant, who also denies it. To me, it sounds like the Globes article might be conflating investigating French citizens who buy invest a lot in Israel and specifically targeting Jews. The headline is clearly misleading.
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Globes posted:liable to upset French Jews and spook their relations with the country in which they live The phrasing here. According to that article's author, for French Jews, France is not "their own country", but merely "the country in which they live". It's funny how Israeli media propagate antisemitic myths without even noticing.
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Cat Mattress posted:without even noticing. Kinda like when the US Democrats were using the french far right theory of population replacement as an argument for why Hillary couldn't lose. Or when those twitter feminists used the old nazi "only a few poisoned skittles" propaganda argument against men despiteTrump Jr and the far right using the exact same type of argument against muslims (and it was an original Goebbels argument against the jews). Their end justifies the most terrible means. Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 13:12 on Dec 30, 2017 |
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Thank you for your in depth understanding of Feminism and American demographics.
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khwarezm posted:Thank you for your in depth understanding of Feminism and American demographics. Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 13:39 on Dec 30, 2017 |
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Toplowtech posted:Yes, when you see the same old rancid arguments used by the lepenists for years against the muslim population and then suddenly self proclamed "leftwingers" (actually neo-liberal chills) on the other side of the atlantic start using them or horribly similar ones inside their own national context, clearly i am the one with the problem. Also twitter feminists must be like skittles i guess. Look, you can check the changes in America's traditional racial demographics yourself, it really has shifted considerably and it's not suddenly falling for Fascist propaganda to note that the country's actually really changed over the last 30 years and will continue to in all likelihood, which likely does have real political and social effects. For example the Republicans win the popular vote in Presidential elections much less frequently now compared to most of the 20th century. Obviously the last election showed that isn't enough, but compare Trump's electoral returns to someone like Nixon or Reagan and the difference is really noticeable. Loser Hillary actually got almost the same percentage of votes as the Carter did in 1976 (or at least almost the same percentage in the difference in votes between herself and her opponent), which was the only presidential election the Democrats won between 1968 and 1992. The problem with Le Pen and people who scaremonger about this in Europe is that they only perceive any change in the ethnic or religious makeup of the continent as entirely negative and a sign of a tidal wave of crazy jihadists displacing good hardworking white Europeans. Their tactics usually involve vastly exaggerating the rate of demographic change here to play to white people's sense of fear, but that doesn't mean Europe isn't becoming more diverse, it's just that they really hate the people making it more diverse. Finally, about this 'skittles' thing, it's easy to get riled up about dumb people on twitter, but it reminds me of White people getting huffy about BLM or similar movements and talking about how it's just reverse racism since activists are tarring all white people with the same brush and isn't that just as racist? It kind of missing the real and obvious power structures of society that honestly kind of justify some minorities skepticism towards generalized groups of people that have certain privileges. khwarezm fucked around with this message at 14:25 on Dec 30, 2017 |
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khwarezm posted:The problem with Le Pen and people who scaremonger about this in Europe is that they only perceive any change in the ethnic or religious makeup of the continent as entirely negative and a sign of a tidal wave of crazy jihadists displacing good hardworking white Europeans. Their tactics usually involve vastly exaggerating the rate of demographic change here to play to white people's sense of fear, but that doesn't mean Europe isn't becoming more diverse, it's just that they really hate the people making it more diverse. quote:Finally, about this 'skittles' thing, it's easy to get riled up about dumb people on twitter, but it reminds me of White people getting huffy about BLM or similar movements and talking about how it's just reverse racism since activists are tarring all white people with the same brush and isn't that just as racist? It kind of missing the real and obvious power structures of society that honestly kind of justify some minorities skepticism towards generalized groups of people that have certain privileges. Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 14:56 on Dec 30, 2017 |
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Toplowtech posted:But hey i am tired of people shooting in their own legs when they try to defend positions that i would like to see advance, i must be a loving facist i guess. Toplowtech posted:Or when those twitter feminists used the old nazi "only a few poisoned skittles" propaganda argument against men despiteTrump Jr and the far right using the exact same type of argument against muslims (and it was an original Goebbels argument against the jews). You're the only person calling anyone a fascist here. And the far-right has been growing for 30 years, they don't need "twitter feminists" or whatever's the current "crazy left-winger, look at the poo poo they truly believe" strawman of the day. Kassad fucked around with this message at 15:00 on Dec 30, 2017 |
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Kassad posted:You're the only one calling anyone a fascist here. Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 15:03 on Dec 30, 2017 |
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I'm not sure what you're even going for there. Men are a minority comparable to Muslims in France and the US, or Jews in 1930s Germany?
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Kassad posted:I'm not sure what you're even going for there. Men are a minority comparable to Muslims in France and the US, or Jews in 1930s Germany?
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Toplowtech posted:Yes, thank you for explaining me a propaganda point i had to deal with since the 80s, now i can watch the same idiots quote democrats using that demographic argument that didn't even played out in their favor as proof "the replacement theory is right". Calling it Replacement theory make little sense, most of the time nobody's actually being replaced, it's new immigrant population that exist in addition too and not instead of people who've got roots going further back. Consistently said immigrant groups vote Democrat and Republicans have failed to court them, resorting to increasingly obvious appeals to white nationalism instead. Honestly a lot of Republican power at this point comes from arcane quirks of America's political system that makes it less representative than a democracy probably should be, like the way the Senate and Electoral College is intrinsically weighted towards smaller (and usually much whiter) states. The point is that it doesn't really matter whether or not this something Le Pen might agree with, it's an objective fact that America has changed demographically and typically that change benefits the democrats in politics, it's just that a lot of people jumped the gun last election and assumed it was already at the point that the likes of Trump couldn't possibly win. In Europe we're much further away from the American situation, but it seems to be case most of the time as well that most immigrants lean towards leftist parties.
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khwarezm posted:Calling it Replacement theory make little sense, most of the time nobody's actually being replaced, Edit: Do not under estimate how well spread that poo poo is, there was a poll recently where they asked people what % of the french population was Muslim and 50+% said 33% of the population were Muslim (when it's around 7%). Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 15:38 on Dec 30, 2017 |
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Toplowtech posted:I am sorry both that idiot Trump JR and some dump twitter feminista used an actual Goebbels propaganda argument. Like you know what is going to advance the female condition? loving nazi propaganda, i am sorry to be saddened by the level of stupidity involved in all those twitters exchange by all the person involved, and yes including that one twitter feminist who was indeed insanely loving stupid. Toplowtech posted:No darling, when you ends up using the exact same arguments as your opponent down to the skittles picture, maybe you should stop twitting 30 minutes and come up with a better argument. You know so you do not end up reinforcing your opponent argument. Because if it's okay for men to be all rapist because of a %, the far right horde will show up and ask you "OH BECAUSE JEWS AND MUSLIMS AREN'T 50% MEN TOO?" It's a poo poo argument that literally only help reactionary people to bring up minorities and criminality in the debate and use your argument against you. Jesus man, don't read Twitter if you're this torn up about nobodies using poorly chosen words in the midst of an unprecedented airing of dirty laundry around structural sexual assault going on for decades.
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khwarezm posted:Jesus man, don't read Twitter if you're this torn up about nobodies using poorly chosen words in the midst of an unprecedented airing of dirty laundry around structural sexual assault going on for decades. Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 16:23 on Dec 30, 2017 |
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Kassad posted:Le Monde did yesterday. The Ministry of Finance is denying it completely (and also notes that the Bercy building doesn't even have a 13th floor). Le Monde quotes an anonymous civil servant, who also denies it. In the body of the article they specifically compare it with a similar department in the US, which was set up due to a treaty between the US and Israel, and therefore is ostensibly not as disturbing. Toplowtech posted:I have doubt on that part really, they probably just find the argument too useful in that contect not to use despite its origin. Globes isn't a government outlet. They do actual journalism, although that story did look a bit weird, and seemed to have basically no traction in other domestic Israeli media, which is why I wanted to have the perspective of people in France. On the face of it it seems to be based upon a single, interested source. Edit: turns out the Hebrew version does have this story, guess I shouldn't have trusted their website's search-by-author feature. Absurd Alhazred fucked around with this message at 17:40 on Dec 30, 2017 |
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Globes isn't a government outlet. They do actual journalism, although that story did look a bit weird, and seemed to have basically no traction in other domestic Israeli media, which is why I wanted to have the perspective of people in France. On the face of it it seems to be based upon a single, interested source.
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Y’all wanna see something really gross and hilarious? https://www.facebook.com/lesRepublicainsScPo/videos/1678527942210934/
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Flowers For Algeria posted:Y’all wanna see something really gross and hilarious? Is nobody going to help this woman he's clearly abducted?! 
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Nice portrait mode and anime music, assholes
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Laying the legal and technical framework for the CSA/a random judge to censor whatever ? Also I wish we would stop saying fake news like dumbass trumpists especially in french. Either it's a news and it's real or it isn't and it's intox/a hoax or whatever
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unpacked robinhood posted:Also I wish we would stop saying fake news like dumbass trumpists especially in french. Either it's a news and it's real or it isn't and it's intox/a hoax or whatever Hard agree. I'm pretty sick of this American political vocab worthy of a 6 y.o. working itself into our discourse.
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unpacked robinhood posted:Laying the legal and technical framework for the CSA/a random judge to censor whatever ? Looks like it: quote:Details of the bill will be released in the coming weeks, he said, but he told reporters that media would be forced to reveal all sponsors of their content among other measures to boost transparency. The bolded part sound rather dubious to me, but it depends on what's in the actual bill. The extra transparency about who's sponsoring political content in the media might be a good idea? It also sounds like this would only apply during the official presidential election campaign period.
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unpacked robinhood posted:Also I wish we would stop saying fake news like dumbass trumpists especially in french. Either it's a news and it's real or it isn't and it's intox/a hoax or whatever  Such a brilliant plan.
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So a myriad of empty companies to act as intermediaries when buying sponsored ads, and randomly deleting "untruths" (I love that word btw) and shutting down social media accounts. Are they going to be reinstated after the election period ? e: Maybe an acceptable solution would be to replace made up poo poo with a link to the official Base de données de désinformation where the content is stored and clearly labelled. Now you've got transparency. Et pas censurer Michel qui twitte sur les conditions de travail dans la boite que le député Moncul a subventionné pour s'installer dans sa commune. unpacked robinhood fucked around with this message at 11:46 on Jan 4, 2018 |
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Hell knows how any of it would work in practice. There's probably going to be some legal challenges against the censorship bits? They might just do the same thing as what Twitter does with some Nazi accounts and hide them in France. Easily bypassed using a VPN, but oh well. Clearly we should also ban those like China.unpacked robinhood posted:Et pas censurer Michel qui twitte sur les conditions de travail dans la boite que le député Moncul a subventionné pour s'installer dans sa commune. Pourquoi détestes tu la startup nation?
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Start up idea: a cool app to gamify unemployment and check if the recipients aren't on caribbean vacations , it's called Google Handouts
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