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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sq51w34Hg9I Pictured: some guys just using some tools. Darth Maul likes to do a bunch of flips for no reason, yes... and he gets owned because of it.
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s.i.r.e. posted:They literally aren't in the OT, the prequels changed it all. Vader and Obi-Wan look like clumsy fools fighting and Luke spends most of the OT just breaking stuff and wailing (or trying to in ESB) on Vader. So what you're saying is it's exactly what 10 year old me wanted to do with broom handles - sounds good to me!
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Just something I don't know if anyone had noticed, but in languages where articles and adjectives agree in number with nouns, the translated title of the film refers to multiple Jedi.
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Martman posted:Darth Maul likes to do a bunch of flips for no reason, yes... and he gets owned because of it. Ditto but for Anakin.
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Dec 16, 2017 21:38
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I'm still kind of disappointed in the way they handled Snoke
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I like how they basically copied like the one interesting episode of battlestar galactica and used it as the entire plot of the movie.
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Waffles Inc. posted:Just saw it again. I saw the first six movies and Rogue One, but not Force Awakens. I probably wouldn't have seen this one either, but my friend's company had a bunch of extra tickets so he invited me. I'm still not sure what I think of the movie.
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Martman posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sq51w34Hg9I Darth Maul, Obi-Wan, Qui-Gon, Yoda, Anakin, Dooku, Grievous, literally anyone that uses a lightsaber in the prequels constantly jumps off of walls, 20 feet into the air and twirls them around to make colorful lightshows for braindead idiots.
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Hollismason posted:I'm still kind of disappointed in the way they handled Snoke Surprise killing him during the second movie of the trilogy is probably the most clever thing they could have done with him. I’m sure we’ll still get a little more of his backstory in Episode 9.
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https://twitter.com/pablohidalgo/status/942135039537459200
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s.i.r.e. posted:Darth Maul, Obi-Wan, Qui-Gon, Yoda, Anakin, Dooku, Grievous, literally anyone that uses a lightsaber in the prequels constantly jumps off of walls, 20 feet into the air and twirls them around to make colorful lightshows for braindead idiots. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlRJLcy8NsA before yoda comes in where's the flipping https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdJnoL4KR8g when does qui gon do the flipping you talk about
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Hollismason posted:I'm still kind of disappointed in the way they handled Snoke I enjoy that he has been owned and discarded somewhat unceremoniously. He was very pulpy and paper thin and therefore didn't really deserve some big dramatic role or death. He will now no longer stand in the way screen time for more interesting characters. Palpatine was generally the same type of character in the OT (before his backstory was car crashed into the canon by the prequels) but at least he was more openly feared by those under him, giving his character a more palpable presence. Snoke didn't seem to get much respect out of fear or otherwise. Maybe that was the whole point. He's just some shmuck figurehead who likely started as a soulless opportunistic rear end in a top hat who power-grab and manipulated his way up there but now just sits on his rear end and doesn't do jack except try and boss people around. The only dude who respects him is a sycophant like Hux. Even Kylo-Ren was mainly not giving a poo poo about him and was mostly just appeasing him so he could leverage himself into a powerful position as well. Snoke exists as a lesson for Kylo-Ren, though he hasn't yet realized it. Hopefully Kylo-Ren realizes he's following Snoke's footsteps off a cliff and stops before he dies like Vader. Seeing as how the new characters are learning different lessons and diverging from the paths of the big characters of the OT, I think it's reasonable to theorize that Kylo-Ren will actually learn and turn before being on his death bed. Foppish Yet Dashing fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Dec 16, 2017 |
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Doesn’t Luke pull one of those lame flippy somersaults in ROTJ?
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I mostly just want to know who the hell he was and why he somehow became in charge of the first order.
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Well I hope some book goes into why he’s all hosed up. Just for my own personal sake.
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s.i.r.e. posted:Darth Maul, Obi-Wan, Qui-Gon, Yoda, Anakin, Dooku, Grievous, literally anyone that uses a lightsaber in the prequels constantly jumps off of walls, 20 feet into the air and twirls them around to make colorful lightshows for braindead idiots.
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Vintersorg posted:Well I hope some book goes into why he’s all hosed up. Just for my own personal sake.
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I know the idea is that Disney bought it so we could have a Star Wars boot on our face, forever, but how on earth do they tie up this trilogy? It can't be as banal as "kill Hux and Kyle" right? Especially since we already know from experience that killing the big bad doesn't accomplish anything. Hell, killing the newest Death Star just made them better, it would appear. So what do you even do? There isn't even anyone to go rescue to get momentum going. You have to create and then finish a conflict in one go. I wouldn't want to be in charge for 9
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Mahoning posted:Doesn’t Luke pull one of those lame flippy somersaults in ROTJ? I just hope that Episode IX perfectly nails and reifies my own personal ideological hobby-horses while also marketing toys.
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I like the lightsaber battles in this and Force Awakens. The prequels were boring videogame cutscenes.
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Waffles Inc. posted:I know the idea is that Disney bought it so we could have a Star Wars boot on our face, forever, but how on earth do they tie up this trilogy? Congrats you are now a writer in the old EU bookverse.
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Waffles Inc. posted:I know the idea is that Disney bought it so we could have a Star Wars boot on our face, forever, but how on earth do they tie up this trilogy? I’d like to see a outgunned and outmanned Resistance have to resort to tactics other than fighting. Using Finn to appeal to Stormtroopers to get them to turn against the First Order would be an interesting change of pace but that could still involve pew pew pew explosions. His arc going from “Traitor!” to the hero/leader of a Stormtrooper rebellion would be cool.
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I liked the samurai duel at the end.
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Waffles Inc. posted:I know the idea is that Disney bought it so we could have a Star Wars boot on our face, forever, but how on earth do they tie up this trilogy? My ideal fan-wank? The Resistance fucks off the Outer Rim to build up their coalition, allowing for the re-intro of some up till now missing OT stalwarts like Lando. The Resistance doesn't directly start taking on the First Order, but starts addressing the problems of the Republic and Empire/First Order dating back to the PT, like the continued existence of slavery and galactic exploitation. This drive is lead by the re-purposed Jedi order which now includes both actual Force wielders and those who believe in the Force like Finn and the rest. They're confronted along the way by the Knights of Ren since they appear to be dark opposites as Luke's other remaining living Jedi pupils. As a side effect this becomes a heart and minds PR thing for the remaining systems to flock to the Resistance's cause against the First Order. Eventually the leadership of the First Order is taken out as the galaxy wide systems rally together. During this time Rey also confronts Kylo and he is neutralized in some way. He gives up the Dark Side, but doesn't die ala Vader, instead he travels to Ahch-to in penance and becomes a hermit to live out the rest of his days while Ghost Luke remains with him to help him come to terms with everything he's done. That allows them the opportunity to have Driver come back at some point in another trilogy, after a 15-20 time jump of self-reflection. That would be a lot to fit into one movie, but I think the structure is there to set up some of that in the title crawl, and start fleshing it out ahead of time in books leading up to the movie's release. It also allows them to pointedly address how lovely the Republics and Empire/First Order were, and how the Jedi failed the galaxy at large. Teek fucked around with this message at 22:38 on Dec 16, 2017 |
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Why not just hyperspace ram everything? That one scene contradicts and invalidates the entire saga. Why have a trench run when you can easily hyperspace ram something into the laser dish? Why have an infiltration mission when you can just hyperspace ram something into the generator or the laser dish? Why have nameless A-Wing pilot do that cool crash into the Super Star Destroyer when they could have just hyperspace rammed it? Why have little Anakin fly into the control ship when someone could have just hyperspace rammed it? Even the dinkiest ship in Star Wars can have a hyperdrive, and Droid ships are commonplace. There is now no reason that the good guys ever had any problems at all when they could have hyperspace rammed their problems away.
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Calling him Kyle Lauren to piss off folks online is definitely a thing I'm gonna do.
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Conceptually it's still just mass moving really fast so a tie fighter jumping into the death star would evaporate after penetrating a few levels cause that thing is the size of a moon. But yeah, like, not a single part of the big slow-mo escape makes sense. I don't even.
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galagazombie posted:Why not just hyperspace ram everything? That one scene contradicts and invalidates the entire saga. Nobody ever thought to crash airliners into skyscrapers before 9/11?! My immersion!
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Is this worth the IMAX ticket price? Or will a regular screen be just as good?
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galagazombie posted:Why not just hyperspace ram everything? That one scene contradicts and invalidates the entire saga. You're right, but this same problem existed in the OT. This isn't something new, they actually just addressed it and used it. It's an attack method which exists in real life too. Some parties treated that and continue to treat that as a legitimate attack method. If another world war broke out, would the armies and navies ram their ships into the enemy? Possibly, but it's generally not the ideal scenario since it results in loss of life or reusable transport/weaponry and is not guaranteed to work. Essentially it's just flying really fast, that's not any different from before. For a number of years I've argued in jest that Wedge was a coward who bailed during the attack on the Death Star when he could have done a lot more to try and stop the attack. Essentially Holdo did exactly what I felt Wedge failed to do there. Even with a damaged ship, she sacrificed herself to do everything she could to help her comrades.
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Loved the lightspeed jump into the ship and the ensuing silence - space is quiet, you don't hear roaring engines or explosions. Loved that Yoda was practical and not CGI. Liked that Luke still had a sense of humor and aloofness. Didn't like Luke drinking green milk from the four titted alien. Didn't like flying space Leia. Thought it was odd that Finn & Rose's sidequest was a total waste of time. Was surprised at how big Adam Driver was - dude's been working out.
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galagazombie posted:Why not just hyperspace ram everything? That one scene contradicts and invalidates the entire saga. Presumably an A-Wing hyperspace ramming into something isn't going to be anywhere as effective as what is probably an insanely expensive carrier doing it. It's also probably a lot less effective if someone knows it's coming. Also I don't remember if this is movie canon or not but people have ways of pulling ships out of hyperspace which presumably would make it way less loving effective in normal circumstances.
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safe harbor posted:Is this worth the IMAX ticket price? Or will a regular screen be just as good?
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ImpAtom posted:Also I don't remember if this is movie canon or not but people have ways of pulling ships out of hyperspace which presumably would make it way less loving effective in normal circumstances. They're canon again, Interdictors were brought back along with Thrawn in Rebels.
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How often are ships that big flying around with virtually no one on it? Jesus, the kamikaze attack is not some plot hole that now invalidates an entire franchise, it’s a desperate action that should almost never be used. It’s been an effective attack method in real life and is still is almost never used.
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Was thinking a bit about what seems to be one of the most disliked sequences in the film: the casino planet sequence. As a self-contained sequence it does feel a bit divorced from the rest of the film, but that's mostly due to aesthetics. However, it's far from pointless. Finn and Rose go there because they, along with Poe, are overcome by hubris, something that the film discusses very openly. They're paranoid that the Laura Dern stand-in general character is either making a bad decision or actively sabotaging the rebellion because she's keeping a cool head and seemingly doing things by the books rather than trying to be a cool rear end hero, which they all aspire to be. So, they hatch this insane plan with little to no chance of success. Because that's what heroes do, and heroes always succeed even when the odds are stacked against them, because they're heroes! So, Finn and Rose go gallivanting on this wild adventure and end up smashing up the bourgeoisie because it's the right thing to do. Poe stages a mutiny and takes control of the ship from the apparently callous and non-caring Laura Dern and company because it's the right thing to do. This. Is. What. Heroes. Do. Hell yeah bitch owned. But, it all ends up loving everything up. They're messy as gently caress in their execution, and while they think they're being crafty and improvising, they're actually settling for sub-par results (Benicio Del Toro) and that ends up biting them in the rear end in a very bad way. This is an even more painful lesson than Luke rushing away from Dagobah to Cloud City. That only ended with Han getting frozen and Luke losing a hand. Meanwhile, this attempt at being cool heroes ended with most of the transport ships blown to bits, many lives being lost, and the rebellion being reduced to a tiny group who are then still pursued. Taking risky big dog badass chances doesn't always end up turning over big rewards. They've got to weigh options with more care when possible rather than always shoot from the hip. You can go buck wild when you're backed into a corner and that's all you can really do, but don't actively put yourself in that corner. Poe didn't learn that in the first act. He thought the price of lives lost was worth it because they took out that dreadnought. But now even more lives have been lost and they've gained nothing. Hard lesson learned. War is costly and hosed up in the worst ways. Don't gently caress it up even more because you have an ego. edit: This sequence also specifically taught Rose a lesson about petty revenge. Rose learned from that failed hero trip that all that loving up of the elite on such a small scale didn't really do jack poo poo. She got to thinking bigger picture after that and that's why she slammed into Finn to save his rear end from making an ultimately pointless suicide run that would just delay the inevitable and disadvantage the already dinky remainder of remaining rebel forces. Finn is the one who seems the most thick-headed and panicky. Hopefully he doesn't need an even more hosed up lesson to learn from. Foppish Yet Dashing fucked around with this message at 23:03 on Dec 16, 2017 |
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Tunicate posted:they should have had luke literally die in the first barrage, and then keep trolling kylo with his force ghost I was actually really hoping the first barrage would just kill him, and then Kylo would flip out looking for his incinerated body and go into some kind of paranoid frenzy
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Now that I've seen this I take back the criticism I had about Snoke dying. Actual worst part of this movie was "it's salt" guy
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Teek posted:They're canon again, Interdictors were brought back along with Thrawn in Rebels. Of which none were ever present in any of the movies.
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