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Mahoning posted:I mentioned it in the other thread, but a Stormtrooper rebellion/uprising led by Finn would be an interesting end to his arc. I keep thinking that for Episode 9 you have the #Resistance, as a last grasp, go hat-in-hand to some sort of Droid planet. A droid Coruscant or something and offering total emancipation Kyle and the First Order taken out by Battledroids would be the sickest poo poo imaginable. Hell, make it Droids, Clones and other enslaved people they find; a freedmans planet. Finn ties in nicely with that
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dont even fink about it posted:This movie is more difficult to absorb than JJ's largely safe episode 7 This is very true. TFA was much more instantly enjoyable to me on a surface level but my interest in it has waned with each rewatch. The more I think about TLJ the more I like it and want to see it again.
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Field Mousepad posted:Yeah for being as gung ho as Luke was about saving Vader and then Luke sensing a speck of the dark side in Ben so he considers murdering him was definitely off. I think there was a lot more of a speck in there. Reminder that immediately after he blasts Luke he and some of his buddies get in the Knights of Ren get up and literally slaughter the rest of the Academy, all before Luke has a chance to regain consciousness.
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Flying Zamboni posted:I liked the acknowledgement of the failures of the Jedi as well as some of the inherent problems in their religion. I loved the depiction of the force in this film being in line with the original trilogy depiction of zen mastership, rather than the rigid discipline of the prequels. I know there's sub text and theory about how the Jedi republic was bloated, hypocritical and problematic, but the film's do kind of a poo poo job trying to express those difficult ideas when they're also trying to be a kid friendly good vs bad tale. Luke summing that all up in one line of dialogue was great. It was even great to see Yoda as his silly-but-zen ESB self, and not the super serious knowlegable military general he's portrayed in all other media since the prequels.
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Field mousepad posted:Yeah for being as gung ho as Luke was about saving Vader and then Luke sensing a speck of the dark side in Ben so he considers murdering him was definitely off. I had the same reaction at first. especially from Kylos point of view where Hamill's hamming it up like crazy with a goofy evil look on his face. I thought that was way too out of character for the same reasons you did. However I thought they handled it really well when they showed the same scene from Luke's point of view as a momentary lapse of weakness, with a great bit of acting by Hamil showing realisation and regret that felt pretty genuine.
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Al Borland Corp. posted:What's the deal with the RT audience score? Just review bombing by people trying to "trigger libs", or just a bit disconnect between what audiences and critics like, as is the case with The Orville (opposite direction on that one)?
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Al Borland Corp. posted:What's the deal with the RT audience score? Just review bombing by people trying to "trigger libs", or just a bit disconnect between what audiences and critics like, as is the case with The Orville (opposite direction on that one)? There's certainly some review bombing. The IMDB score is in the 80's. Both sites use user submitted reviews with no verification or account limit creations. Cinemascore, which actually talks to people after they watch the movie at the theatre, has it currently at an A. Force Awakens and Rogue One also both got A's. Thor Ragnarok got a A, Justice League got a B+. Blade Runner 2049 got an A-. Lowest recent one I could see was Oscar Issac's previous movie Suburbicon which got a D-. What you wind up with is a wide general audience who like big tent poll movies, but a vocal minority who vent their frustrations online. A ton of people went and saw Last Jedi, so the vocal dissenters are still a large body of people.
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I thought it was a pretty good movie though I guess I am pretty easy to please. I also think it's probably the most visually pleasing Star Wars movie. The speeder chase, Snoke's throne room, and the lightspeed kamikaze all looked incredible
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euphronius posted:What the hell happened to wookiepedia? It's not usable. It never was
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euphronius posted:What the hell happened to wookiepedia? It's not usable. The decision to slam huge Star Wars Explained videos at the top of each article is bizarre. Sometimes they're not even related to the topic on the page.
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Mahoning posted:This is very true. TFA was much more instantly enjoyable to me on a surface level but my interest in it has waned with each rewatch. Yeah, TFA felt awesome in the parking lot and every mile between me and the theater reduced my esteem for it. It's fine, but only just so. (Disclosure: I never cared about Star Wars as a kid despite having saw all 6 in theaters (well the rereleases in the 90s anyway)) TLJ was much more dense, but a lot of fun and I think it will age better. I appreciated all the joke-em-ups because I find most of Star Wars context to be fun, silly, and melodramatic. It felt like Rian Johnson made a film that loves the original work but also wants to have fun with the goofy aspects of it. So, it held my attention and the more I think about it, the more I like it. It was definitely bloated tho. I'm tempted to recommend cutting the side adventure to Casino World, but the Occupy Star Wars stuff that happened there seems important. So maybe cut the mutiny stuff? I dunno. I'm sort of curious whether Star Wars 9 is going to fully steer into the politics of 8. In my read, you have two remnant factions that are little more than cosplayers now fighting a DECADES old war that started over shipping taxation or whatever the gently caress was going on in TPM. You have soldiers and rebels and bystanders getting blown up and killed because of old facism and an old religion. I don't feel like either side has a great plan outside of the status quo and the arms dealers selling to both sides implies this. I was really struck by the scene on Canto Blight when Finn and Rose liberate the racing animal and then she takes off the saddle and almost literally swats it back towards the town of slaver capitalists like "You're free now!". As if this thing isn't going to get immediately recaptured and exploited? So we end SW8 with the seeds of revolution. But like... if you really want to free that racing animal, the revolution has to burn it ALL down. All the old ways, all the old structures. In that sense, Kylo Ren is almost the most committed to overthrowing the status quo by the end while Rey literally saves ten thousand year old Bibles so she can preserve the same ineffectual order that led to this mess. So is SW9 going to show an actual revolution, chaos and all? Or are the Space-Dems going to sweep the Space-GOP in the space midterms and we call it a day? This is not to say I think SW9 should or shouldn't espouse any particular politick, it just seemed like 8 was planting seeds for some fairly dramatic annihilation of the status quo and I'm not sure how 9 (now being directed by Mr. Safe) is going to pay that off if at all. Or is it going to pretend there was no economic component to SW8 and SW9 is going to "seize the means of force production" or something. I'm definitely curious!
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mary had a little clam posted:I'm tempted to recommend cutting the side adventure to Casino World, but the Occupy Star Wars stuff that happened there seems important. So maybe cut the mutiny stuff? I dunno. All that stuff is important because it's thematically telling different stories about growth and learning, among other things. Finally the world of Star Wars is not just hellscape planets filled with space goblins and rusty robots. Some of the space goblins also play blackjack.
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dont even fink about it posted:All that stuff is important because it's thematically telling different stories about growth and learning, among other things. Finally the world of Star Wars is not just hellscape planets filled with space goblins and rusty robots. Yeah, there's nothing good about any of that. This universe never got better when anyone tried to explain it.
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Some of the suggestions in this thread for where the ninth film could go based on this foundation sound pretty interesting, so no doubt it's not going to be as interesting. I used to think TLJ was good until I found out Film Crit Hulk wrote a glowing review of it, so I guess it's bad now. Sorry thread
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J_RBG posted:Some of the suggestions in this thread for where the ninth film could go based on this foundation sound pretty interesting, so no doubt it's not going to be as interesting. Oh hey he stopped the all-caps thing.
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Milky Moor posted:The decision to slam huge Star Wars Explained videos at the top of each article is bizarre. Sometimes they're not even related to the topic on the page. It's something that's happened on every wikia, so I can only imagine it's some weird decision by the Wikia admins to drive up views
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Did we really need 2 films to kill off all the old characters? I think this new series is also following the prequel steps by starting the story too early.
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Re: thread title Aunt this the tenth film? Star Wars The Clone Wars animated movie got a theatrical release
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Re: thread title Aunt this the tenth film? Star Wars The Clone Wars animated movie got a theatrical release We don't talk about the movie that's like tenth on the list if you Google Star Wars Clone Wars, because they didn't even get the principals back to play their parts, it was basically a media event for the eventual TV show, and it was real real bad in a time where people still hadn't forgotten the prequels and if anything hated them more.
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Waffles Inc. posted:In essence you could edit Finn out of both movies with nothing lost. The joke here is that FN is the protagonist of Force Awakens, up until the point where he ‘dies’. Rey is such a bland character because she stands for FN’s latent heroic spirit or something. She enters his narrative at roughly the point where he puts on the Resistance jacket, and suddenly Rey just loves to kill stormtroopers. Not coincidentally, Rey does all her most questionable violent stuff when FN isn’t around. Force Awakens isn’t easy to absorb; it’s easy to tune out. Nobody gives a poo poo about the conflict.
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Teek posted:There's certainly some review bombing. The IMDB score is in the 80's. Both sites use user submitted reviews with no verification or account limit creations. Cinemascore, which actually talks to people after they watch the movie at the theatre, has it currently at an A. Force Awakens and Rogue One also both got A's. Thor Ragnarok got a A, Justice League got a B+. Blade Runner 2049 got an A-. Lowest recent one I could see was Oscar Issac's previous movie Suburbicon which got a D-. What you wind up with is a wide general audience who like big tent poll movies, but a vocal minority who vent their frustrations online. A ton of people went and saw Last Jedi, so the vocal dissenters are still a large body of people. It’s also possible a lot of people thought the movie was bad.
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Tenzarin posted:If Luke was just a hologram how did the dice he gave to Leia have any form to give her? Earlier in the movie there's shots that establish that powerful psychic connections can transmit physical objects - the water on their hands, for instance.
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Attorney at Funk posted:Earlier in the movie there's shots that establish that powerful psychic connections can transmit physical objects - the water on their hands, for instance. I liked the visual of the sparks falling in Kylo's room evoking the rain where Rey is That was a nice touch
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Waffles Inc. posted:I liked the visual of the sparks falling in Kylo's room evoking the rain where Rey is I’m not a film guy but I thought Last Jedi was the best ‘looking’ Star Wars movies in terms of like, how the shots were composed. Rogue One was great too in that regard even though I didn’t like Rogue One much as a whole
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Tenzarin posted:If Luke was just a hologram how did the dice he gave to Leia have any form to give her? That, too, was just an illusion; there's a shot of it fading away.
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Mandrel posted:It’s also possible a lot of people thought the movie was bad. I'm sure they did, but if their opinions are neither approaching critical insight on the film nor an accurate snapshot of what the general moviegoing public thinks of it, why should anyone give a poo poo? A lot of people are mostly terrible, and a lot of decent people believe weird things. If you're actually asserting that there aren't organized campaigns on behalf of some of those terrible/weird people to inflate or deflate the audience review scores of films/shows/games/whatever in an attempt to make consensus reflect their own obsessive love or hate for it, you're just wrong. It happens all the time. Baku fucked around with this message at 02:31 on Dec 17, 2017 |
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Tenzarin posted:If Luke was just a hologram how did the dice he gave to Leia have any form to give her? When Kylo enters the base, he picks up the dice and you see it fade away in his hands.
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It's big and messy and heartfelt and charming and good.
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Also everyone who interacted with the dice could use the force, jesus
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wizard on a water slide posted:I'm sure they did, but if their opinions are neither approaching critical insight on the film nor an accurate snapshot of what the general moviegoing public thinks of it, why should anyone give a poo poo? There’s pages and pages of posts containing paragraphs and paragraphs of critical insight and fairly well articulated negative reviews on this very forum so I dunno what to tell you dude. If you don’t think people have reasons for disliking the movie beyond being triggered or whatever idk what to tell you. A quick glance at social media shows pretty polarized opinions as well. It’s possible the mixed user scores are an accurate snapshot of what the general moviegoing public thinks of it.
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Just got back from my 2nd viewing. Even better then the first. I think the best way to summarize the Last Jedi is that Rian Johnson destroys Star Wars, and in doing so he creates the best Star Wars movie.
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Mentioned it in the other thread, but I am surprised nobody lost a limb in this movie. Ignoring Snoke and his Crimson Guards getting dismembered, but figured Rey or Kylo would lose a limb or two.
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Rirse posted:Mentioned it in the other thread, but I am surprised nobody lost a limb in this movie. Ignoring Snoke and his Crimson Guards getting dismembered, but figured Rey or Kylo would lose a limb or two. Rose will amble around on robot spider legs next film, she'll have a climactic battle with Snoke's legs attached to an evil droid
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Rirse posted:Mentioned it in the other thread, but I am surprised nobody lost a limb in this movie. Ignoring Snoke and his Crimson Guards getting dismembered, but figured Rey or Kylo would lose a limb or two. When Snoke gets bisected, his hands get cut off too.
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Neurolimal posted:Rose will amble around on robot spider legs next film, she'll have a climactic battle with Snoke's legs attached to an evil droid Darkforces 2 did it better already.  Man cut in half uses the dark force to fly bitch! Didn't look that good in game though... 
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I said come in! posted:Just got back from my 2nd viewing. Even better then the first. I think the best way to summarize the Last Jedi is that Rian Johnson destroys Star Wars, and in doing so he creates the best Star Wars movie. 12 Ways 'The Last Jedi' DESTROYS Star Wars by making the BEST Star Wars...
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