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Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

420 Gank Mid posted:

Cops have been legally murdering people every day

That's lots of different cops. I guess I don't see what he's doing for them

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BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Jose posted:

That's lots of different cops. I guess I don't see what he's doing for them
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business hammocks posted:

He seems to only go to small-time events without possibility of violence. In Boston where he took credit for organizing a rally with like 70 people, there were at least 200 police officers protecting them.
my guess is that feds would rather have these events led by someone they can control, and as a magnet to collect info on the more ultra-violent types

if you want to get really conspiratorial though, it's to keep a reserve army of head-punchers in case the left gets out of hand. but i don't personally believe that, though there might be some rich right-wing guys out there who might entertain those fantasies and have thrown him some money. i'm surprised he can travel around as much he does paying for airfare and hotel rooms while being a multi-convicted felon with no seemingly stable income.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Jose posted:

I don't understand how he can be allowed to assault people repeatedly even as a fed

ever heard of this dude called whitey bulger

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/IGD_News/status/922190438311739392/photo/1

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

Terrorist Fistbump posted:

So when Operation Barbarossa kicked off, most army units were underequipped with somewhat outdated equipment, and there was little ability to replace losses quickly or start production of cutting-edge weapons. Properly supplying the army was touch-and-go up until the armaments miracle and the start of the defensive part of the war. The Nazis knew this (to some degree, who really knew what is a big mystery because of the structure of the Nazi economy) but went ahead anyway, telling themselves at every step that it didn't matter and things would go their way because they were the most excellent Volk in human history. There's a series of four books by David Stahel about the war in the Soviet Union in 1941 that shows in detail how this delusion carried over into the operational aspects of the war. They make a good companion to Wages if you're into that kind of thing.

Omer Bartov also writes about this failure in Hitler's Army. By not fully motorizing/mechanizing the Wehrmacht, and keep those units that were so resupplied and equipped, the Germans experienced what he describes as the "demodernization" of the front after the early successes in Russia.

Dmitri-9
Nov 30, 2004

There's something really sexy about Scrooge McDuck. I love Uncle Scrooge.

Jose posted:

I don't understand how he can be allowed to assault people repeatedly even as a fed

Kyle gets in trouble and offers to snitch to get a lighter sentence. If he gives them good info he becomes a valuable source. Now law enforcement can have him run in the same circles as Identity Europa and the Traditional Workers Party and even better they can use him to plant ideas in people's heads and start poo poo between Nazis and antifa. Now every time he gets into trouble there is some FBI agent asking other law enforcement real nicely to let him go because he is so useful. Whitey Bulger ran an entire criminal empire while being a snitch.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

It’s documented that he was a snitch in jail when he was a teenager, I believe. He’s spent a ton of time in jail already and is probably no stranger to trading favors with authorities.

GoluboiOgon
Aug 19, 2017

by Nyc_Tattoo

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

i've inched more toward the marxist view of fascism, where i used to have a more liberal view.

by that i mean a liberal school of thought about what fascism is; as like an independent ideology unto itself, where the marxist view (or at least vulgar marxist view) is that it's the bourgeoisie going full terminator 2: judgement day as a response to crisis.

there's a very thick book about nazi economics i've been meaning to read called "the wages of destruction," that apparently goes into some of this. you'll see nazis on the internet try to lure leftists to their side by saying that fascism is the real socialism. well, in this book, apparently it goes into how capitalist the fascist regimes really were. the term "privatization" was first used in english to refer to nazi economic policies. they went nuts with privatizing what were formerly state-owned industries. the rate of return on capital under hitler was higher than in the united states under FDR. and this shouldn't come as a shock but the nazis had a lot of problems trying to shift to a centrally-planned war economy.

The crimes of IG Farben posted:

At I.G. Auschwitz, the S.S. guaranteed the company access to 10,000 slave laborers under Nazi control. At first this seemed to satisfy the I.G. management. "Our new friendship with the S.S. is proving very profitable," Ambros informed Fritz ter Meer. Relations soon deteriorated between I.G. and the S.S., however, leading I.G. executives to claim--ludicrously since they were using slave labor--that the Nazi masters of Auschwitz didn't understand "the working methods of ... free enterprise."

If the I.G. Farben notion of "free enterprise" was to succeed, they would need to build their own concentration camp. "In July 1942," wrote Justice Department official and I.G. Farben prosecutor Joseph Borkin, "the I.G. managing board voted to solve its Auschwitz labor problems by establishing its own concentration camp." Though owned and operated by I.G. Farben, the new camp, Monowitz, would be run on Nazi forced-labor principles: "All the inmates must be fed, sheltered and treated in such a way as to exploit them to the highest possible extent, at the lowest conceivable degree of expenditure."

Fascism is just capitalism carried to it's logical conclusion. Note that IG Farben made not only synthetic rubber and oil, but also Zyklon B and nerve gas.

Reclines Obesily
Jul 24, 2000



Hey Moona!
Slippery Tilde
asking fascists how many guns and ammo they own and beating up a guy called "johnny maga"

totally on the level

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012

dude's totes a fed

Bullfrog
Nov 5, 2012

I would be surprised as gently caress if he wasn't a fed. My question is, when will we see any arrests / consequences from the info he's (probably) providing to the feds? If any?

Relevant Tangent
Nov 18, 2016

Tangentially Relevant

Data Graham posted:

Gotta be honest, if you’d told me in 2000 that SA would not eventually be counted among those ranks I’d never have believed you

LF saved us from ourselves. The people who were hard libertarian got weeded out by Paul toxxes.

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

Relevant Tangent posted:

LF saved us from ourselves. The people who were hard libertarian got weeded out by Paul toxxes.

:patriot:

Admiral Ray
May 17, 2014

Proud Musk and Dogecoin fanboy

Relevant Tangent posted:

LF saved us from ourselves. The people who were hard libertarian got weeded out by Paul toxxes.

It's kinda wild to me that SA was a hub of the Ron Paul Revolution.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 23 days!)


There's not gonna be another video game crash. Gaming is arguably bigger than movies at this point. What's gonna happen is that there's going to be a big crash in indie games, at least on the PC, because market saturation will make it impossible to make any headway unless you've already got a built-in fanbase or become a games media darling. That's a very limited frame for success. The market itself will become more thoroughly dominated by AA and AAA releases, and eventually gaming will be dominated by a handful of production conglomerates just like film, radio, and television are.

Pornographic Memory
Dec 17, 2008

Relevant Tangent posted:

LF saved us from ourselves. The people who were hard libertarian got weeded out by Paul toxxes.

god bless that crazy ironic gay stalinist-maoist-third-worldist forum

its kind of sad to say but it legitimately helped push me toward leftism, for a short time around the 2008 election it was the perfect combination of being funny and informative. maybe it just caught me at the right time, having just turned 18 and gotten swept into the obama hype, already having been liberal for most of my teenage life and excited to give a big middle finger to the bush years. the future was full of possibility and whatever would piss conservatives off and make the world better was extremely my poo poo, obama was just the start. of course the obama presidency was a colossal disappointment but for a while it was fun imagining a future of universal health care and stimulus and pissing on the ashes of the republican party and breaking up the banks and...i'm not sure where this is really going, but yeah, LF was fun for a while, before it got lovely

tbh i do think it paralleled the online nazi style guide though to a degree, albeit not necessarily as an intentional thing - the "haha im just joking about my crazy extremism but not really" act works

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Bullfrog posted:

I would be surprised as gently caress if he wasn't a fed. My question is, when will we see any arrests / consequences from the info he's (probably) providing to the feds? If any?
who knows, and the results might not ever be really public. another example to think about is hal turner, the white supremacist radio host who the FBI paid for years as an agent provocateur. the idea was to have him spout hatred over the airwaves and then amass info on the people responding to it. and this went on for years. so, like nazis who were getting in touch were having their info passed to the feds. and that worked until turner crossed the line by threatening a judge and going to prison for realsies

the hutaree militia the FBI went after was because of turner's info

but like 99 percent of what they do is just listen

source: i am a cop spying on all of you. thread is a honeypot and i have all your PWs and nudes :ninja:

BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 02:51 on Dec 17, 2017

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
i would also note that kyle's lengthiest prison term came in 2009 after he (already a convicted felon) sold weapons to a BATF informant. then he went on the lam for awhile until surrendering to the feds, and went to prison. he got out in 2014 under supervised probation. two months after that ended, he showed up in berkeley in full based stickman gear, and then got arrested later on multiple felony counts but is still out there doing his based thang.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/meet-the-based-stickman-173908

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

i would also note that kyle's lengthiest prison term came in 2009 after he (already a convicted felon) sold weapons to a BATF informant. then he went on the lam for awhile until surrendering to the feds, and went to prison. he got out in 2014 under supervised probation. two months after that ended, he showed up in berkeley in full based stickman gear, and then got arrested later on multiple felony counts but is still out there doing his based thang.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/meet-the-based-stickman-173908

You think the feds just pressured him into being an inside man from the beginning by having him try his best to become a meme?

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

business hammocks posted:

You think the feds just pressured him into being an inside man from the beginning by having him try his best to become a meme?
:shrug:

who's to say the FBI didn't create the meme?

BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 03:08 on Dec 17, 2017

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 23 days!)

trying is the baseline of success for becoming an alt-right meme.

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3
Nov 15, 2003

Terrorist Fistbump posted:

Nice post. The Wages of Destruction is also real good for showing how loving delusional the Nazis actually were about their ability to wage war.

One of the most mind-blowing takeaways from the book is that Germany was behind its enemies economically for the whole war by a huuuuuuuuge margin. The economic recovery under Hitler was almost entirely due to huge investment in infrastructure and basic materials production (steel, chemicals, electricity etc.) and not the production of finished war materials. The Nazis barely had the productive capacity to equip the Wehrmacht that invaded Poland, and in order to sustain the force they had, let alone expand it to take on the Soviet Union, they would need to continue to invest aggressively in actual arms factories. But economic reality caught up with them, and they actually temporarily reduced their capacity to produce basic supplies like ammunition in 1940 to make up for a shortfall in weapons production. Even this extreme measure was not enough to create adequate production. There just wasn't enough available capital to invest or enough productive capacity to shift around through brute force without causing the civilian economy to implode. This explains why German tank production was such a shitshow and why fewer than half a million assault rifles were built between 1943 and 1945: little thought was given to implementing efficient mass-production techniques, and there wasn't enough available capital to make it happen anyway. Big, efficient factories are really expensive.

So when Operation Barbarossa kicked off, most army units were underequipped with somewhat outdated equipment, and there was little ability to replace losses quickly or start production of cutting-edge weapons. Properly supplying the army was touch-and-go up until the armaments miracle and the start of the defensive part of the war. The Nazis knew this (to some degree, who really knew what is a big mystery because of the structure of the Nazi economy) but went ahead anyway, telling themselves at every step that it didn't matter and things would go their way because they were the most excellent Volk in human history. There's a series of four books by David Stahel about the war in the Soviet Union in 1941 that shows in detail how this delusion carried over into the operational aspects of the war. They make a good companion to Wages if you're into that kind of thing.

This reminds me of something Albert Speer said in his interview for the documentary series The World at War. He said that if France had launched an invasion against Germany in response to the invasion of Poland, using only what they had positioned on the front at that time, the German line would have collapsed within two weeks. The whole war could have been aborted in the first month.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006


They perfected the strategy on Muslims, who they’ve been pulling that exact game on since 9/11, sometimes just by interviewing innocent people until they contradict themselves and then threatening them with a conviction on lying to a federal agent, then offering to ignore it if they go join a targeted mosque and pressure people to do crimes. It’s well in their wheelhouse.

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

GoluboiOgon posted:

Fascism is just capitalism carried to it's logical conclusion. Note that IG Farben made not only synthetic rubber and oil, but also Zyklon B and nerve gas.

Since we're on a book kick, I suppose I should mention Industry and Ideology: IG Farben in the Nazi Era. It's an all-encompassing history of the company and its relationship with the Nazi government, and also an appallingly dense read even by the standards of economic history, which is why I mention it, rather than recommend it.

Sir Tonk
Apr 18, 2006
Young Orc

no way

how can one man be so stupid

GoluboiOgon
Aug 19, 2017

by Nyc_Tattoo

Captain_Maclaine posted:

Since we're on a book kick, I suppose I should mention Industry and Ideology: IG Farben in the Nazi Era. It's an all-encompassing history of the company and its relationship with the Nazi government, and also an appallingly dense read even by the standards of economic history, which is why I mention it, rather than recommend it.

I really don't see how you make this book boring, given the absurdly awful amount of terrible stuff they did.

quote:

3,000 German nationals were employed at Hochwerk, all equipped with respirators and clothing constructed of a poly-layered rubber/cloth/rubber sandwich that was destroyed after the tenth wearing. Despite all precautions, there were over 300 accidents before production even began and at least ten workers died during the two and a half years of operation. Some incidents cited in A Higher Form of Killing: The Secret History of Chemical and Biological Warfare are as follows:

Four pipe fitters had liquid tabun drain onto them and died before their rubber suits could be removed.
A worker had two liters of tabun pour down the neck of his rubber suit. He died within two minutes.
Seven workers were hit in the face with a stream of tabun of such force that the liquid was forced behind their respirators. Only two survived despite resuscitation measures.

The manhattan project had some really shoddy worker safety incidents, but nothing like this.

Babysitter Super Sleuth
Apr 26, 2012

my posts are as bad the Current Releases review of Gone Girl

Bullfrog posted:

I would be surprised as gently caress if he wasn't a fed. My question is, when will we see any arrests / consequences from the info he's (probably) providing to the feds? If any?

never

law enforcement is heavily white nationalist, and even then its more advantageous to tag-and-release nazis than to actually remove any from the pool because then they have a stocked dossier on everyone in the scene

Sir Tonk
Apr 18, 2006
Young Orc

Visidan posted:

valve won't even hire someone to screen a game before its put on their store, you can put any old trash with stolen assets/copyrighted material on it if you have $100. in 2017 i think they're at 6000 games already



there's so much trash every day that some indie devs are making way more money on consoles


good luck getting them to lift a finger (they'd have to hire one) to ban nazis

valve is terrible for so many reasons, can't wait for the first big investigative piece about how their hq operates.

Dreddout posted:

Steam's decent into being XBLA xbox indie games is loving hilarious

ftfy

Sir Tonk has issued a correction as of 03:43 on Dec 17, 2017

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

Sir Tonk posted:

no way

how can one man be so stupid

Pretty sure he used to be a social justice type, but jumped ship to the alt-right when his good guy act didn't get him any attention from women. Notice that the old tweet is pre-gamergate.

goodog
Nov 3, 2007

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

i've inched more toward the marxist view of fascism, where i used to have a more liberal view.

by that i mean a liberal school of thought about what fascism is; as like an independent ideology unto itself, where the marxist view (or at least vulgar marxist view) is that it's the bourgeoisie going full terminator 2: judgement day as a response to crisis.

there's a very thick book about nazi economics i've been meaning to read called "the wages of destruction," that apparently goes into some of this. you'll see nazis on the internet try to lure leftists to their side by saying that fascism is the real socialism. well, in this book, apparently it goes into how capitalist the fascist regimes really were. the term "privatization" was first used in english to refer to nazi economic policies. they went nuts with privatizing what were formerly state-owned industries. the rate of return on capital under hitler was higher than in the united states under FDR. and this shouldn't come as a shock but the nazis had a lot of problems trying to shift to a centrally-planned war economy.


A number of US businessmen planned the early stages of a conspiracy in which US veterans organisations would stage a fascist coup of FDR's administration, because they hated the New Deal.


William Dodd, U.S Ambassador to Germany posted:

A clique of U.S. industrialists is hell-bent to bring a fascist state to supplant our democratic government and is working closely with the fascist regime in Germany and Italy. I have had plenty of opportunity in my post in Berlin to witness how close some of our American ruling families are to the Nazi regime. ... A prominent executive of one of the largest corporations, told me point blank that he would be ready to take definite action to bring fascism into America if President Roosevelt continued his progressive policies. Certain American industrialists had a great deal to do with bringing fascist regimes into being in both Germany and Italy. They extended aid to help Fascism occupy the seat of power, and they are helping to keep it there. Propagandists for fascist groups try to dismiss the fascist scare. We should be aware of the symptoms. When industrialists ignore laws designed for social and economic progress they will seek recourse to a fascist state when the institutions of our government compel them to comply with the provisions.

Hitler himself was sending secret memos to his industrialist benefactors reassuring them that he didn't really mean all the anti-capitalist, pro-worker rhetoric that he was using to build up a base of support.

Sir Tonk
Apr 18, 2006
Young Orc

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

There's not gonna be another video game crash. Gaming is arguably bigger than movies at this point. What's gonna happen is that there's going to be a big crash in indie games, at least on the PC, because market saturation will make it impossible to make any headway unless you've already got a built-in fanbase or become a games media darling. That's a very limited frame for success. The market itself will become more thoroughly dominated by AA and AAA releases, and eventually gaming will be dominated by a handful of production conglomerates just like film, radio, and television are.

we've been there for awhile, there's like five major publishers and two of them control most of the market

the indie scene has been pretty great for developers since Braid hit XBLA, but thanks to Steam it's pretty much dead on PC unless you can get some big social media campaign going or a bunch of writeups on kotaku.

all these objectivist shithead tech nerds are getting their free market dream

Sir Tonk
Apr 18, 2006
Young Orc

Tokamak posted:

Pretty sure he used to be a social justice type, but jumped ship to the alt-right when his good guy act didn't get him any attention from women. Notice that the old tweet is pre-gamergate.



hold on, are you telling me this guy couldnt get laid?

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
an oldie tweet:

https://twitter.com/lauren_southern/status/769142504637726720

SpaceGoku
Jul 19, 2011

Sir Tonk posted:



hold on, are you telling me this guy couldnt get laid?

lots of ugly people have sex

ya boy antman got more barriers to entry than that

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
lot of good thread titles in this thread

https://twitter.com/ProGrowthArthur/status/942215859753193472

ElNarez
Nov 4, 2009

Tokamak posted:

Pretty sure he used to be a social justice type, but jumped ship to the alt-right when his good guy act didn't get him any attention from women. Notice that the old tweet is pre-gamergate.

Oh, no, it's funnier than that. It's not "pre-gamergate", it's "pre-people thinking it's kinda weird how few black people there are in the fantasy land of The Witcher 3". That's the entire turning point of his politics. People writing thinkpieces about The Witcher 3.

TheBalor
Jun 18, 2001

Fascists are the dumbest loving people on the planet.

Frog Act
Feb 10, 2012



I have no idea who any of those people are and I've been laughing at these peopel for years, but that dude makes it sound like it was the summer of love for right wing twitter and was an actual culturally significant thing.

SpaceGoku
Jul 19, 2011

I'm guessing for a lot of those dudes it was one of the most defining moments of their lives, being able to "come out" as a neo-nazi and feel empowered about it

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Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014



oh my god lmao

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