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BonoMan posted:I'd be interested to hear what you think Johnson uniquely contributed to that scene. It was pretty straight forward. It was a joke based on an observation I had where people were complaining about the Porgs then it's just funny we have a scene with one on a spit. Johnson's contribution more has to do with him being the director unless we want to go into "Disney runs the film" which is a debate I don't have the interest in getting into right now.
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Justin Godscock posted:It was a joke based on an observation I had where people were complaining about the Porgs then it's just funny we have a scene with one on a spit. Johnson's contribution more has to do with him being the director unless we want to go into "Disney runs the film" which is a debate I don't have the interest in getting into right now. I'm directly referring to this line: " Chewbacca trying to enjoy his roasted Porg with motified Porgs looking on would be a goofy scene under other directors but Johnson made it work and I laughed." I don't see any unique perspective on that scene that made it "work" nor do I understand, I guess, how another director would have ruined it. It's an ultra basic joke (and not that great of one) that literally a film student could have told. There's nothing unique, in my opinion, to how Johnson told that scene. It's literally just shot/reverse-shot. So I was just wondering what you thought Johnson actually brought to that scene that other directors wouldn't have?
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kylo and rey were basically cybering. that was cool, but I think this is the first star wars movie made by an 'online' guy and im not sure i like it.
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gohmak posted:Rogue One was a great movie and the characters were really dynamic. Yeah, probably one of the better Star Wars films. And the somewhat flat characters reduced to broad types adds to the WWII squad action/adventure aspect of the movie. Not sure I'd call any of them dynamic.
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Al Cu Ad Solte posted:I liked this. It has some major, major issues though. It's a collection of incredible scenes and sequences connected by some startlingly weak narrative tissue. Because Poe had to learn a lesson about not being a hero but it seems an odd lesson to teach since 99% of the time in this universe being a hero works out fine. Like how Finn and Rose are somehow the only two survivors in a room that had previously had hundreds of people in it. Oh sorry I danced around the question a bit. It couldn't be leia because someone had to be mean to poe. PantsBandit fucked around with this message at 07:23 on Dec 17, 2017 |
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Zas posted:kylo and rey were basically cybering. that was cool, but I think this is the first star wars movie made by an 'online' guy and im not sure i like it.
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Al Cu Ad Solte posted:I liked this. It has some major, major issues though. It's a collection of incredible scenes and sequences connected by some startlingly weak narrative tissue. Poe needed to see competent leadership and real sacrifice at work, and Leia needed to survive to say good-bye to Luke.
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I'm convinced that somewhere in disney film hq there is a white-board with the words "SHIRTLESS SCENE" circled a dozen times.
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Mulva posted:Poe needed to see competent leadership and real sacrifice at work, and Leia needed to survive to say good-bye to Luke. The leadership seemed really incompetent because for some reason she left a bunch of her crew in the dark about the fact that she actually did have a plan to not let them all die. drat, can't have double snarky posts. Something I liked: Rey's parents being nobodies was a great resolution to that plot-point.
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PantsBandit posted:The leadership seemed really incompetent because for some reason she left a bunch of her crew in the dark about the fact that she actually did have a plan to not let them all die. Loose lips sink ships!
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the entire conceit of "sometimes you will go to great lengths to accomplish something heroic, and totally loving fail, AND YOU NEED TO LEARN FROM IT" is so solid like, the entire casino bit -could- be cut, were it not for the A-plot and B-plot both being about learning the concept of "defeat is only final when you've refused to learn any lessons from it" see: the entire post-snoke scene with Hux and Ren. "welp, the boss is dead *choke* I... GUESS... WE ALL FOLLOW THE NEXT BIG ANGRY FORCE GUY?" the New Order is doomed, because it refuses to learn the lesson that following the biggest baddest force user is a recipe for eating poo poo repeatedly at the hands of ghosts.
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BonoMan posted:I'm directly referring to this line: " Chewbacca trying to enjoy his roasted Porg with motified Porgs looking on would be a goofy scene under other directors but Johnson made it work and I laughed." Fair enough. I guess I was thinking of someone like George Lucas which would have made that scene more goofy than funny. I wasn't trying to elevate it to higher comedy just a dumb joke that got a genuine laugh from me.
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BonoMan posted:His character seemed to heavily insinuate that he had a larger plan so I hope so. Basically my partner and I came to the conclusion if you promote a beer and attached to the SW universe you get to be suave and rugged. Lando colt, BDT Heineken. Ze Pollack posted:like, the entire casino bit -could- be cut, were it not for the A-plot and B-plot both being about learning the concept of "defeat is only final when you've refused to learn any lessons from it" Casino was a great parallel to the senate without actually going back to it: You saw the cogs working in the galaxy. Also slave children are a very important core element of SW. incoherent fucked around with this message at 07:35 on Dec 17, 2017 |
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Dec 17, 2017 07:33
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kylo ben wearing nothing but too-high-up-his-dang-torso black leather pants was one hell of a visual. Breathtaking. Just fuckin special
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In the trailer for TFA, it asks "Who are you" and Rey answers "I'm no one." They've been totally upfront about it from the start.
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Zas posted:kylo and rey were basically cybering. that was cool, but I think this is the first star wars movie made by an 'online' guy and im not sure i like it. Their chemistry is one of the better things about the film.
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incoherent posted:Basically my partner and I came to the conclusion if you promote a beer and attached to the SW universe you get to be suave and rugged. also loading up chekhov's assault cannon with force-sensitive children, yes
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Ze Pollack posted:like, the entire casino bit -could- be cut, were it not for the A-plot and B-plot both being about learning the concept of "defeat is only final when you've refused to learn any lessons from it" There's more than a little fat that could be cut from the film, but if anything I wanted to see more of the casino.
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Dec 17, 2017 07:50
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Lukes Gambit made the main villians seem real loving dumb. Because they are real loving dumb. Now we have the next movie coming and we know now that the villains are real loving dumb.
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The Big Word posted:kylo ben wearing nothing but too-high-up-his-dang-torso black leather pants was one hell of a visual. Breathtaking. Just fuckin special It showed me that Adam Driver has a really tiny head.
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can someone in this thread explain why i was supposed to give a gently caress about captain phasma like...ever?
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The other thing that surprised me about the shirtless Kylo was the scar because I just thought it cut him across the face.
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Professor Funk posted:can someone in this thread explain why i was supposed to give a gently caress about captain phasma like...ever? Also ran boba fett. They just keep her around to poo poo on her.
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Professor Funk posted:can someone in this thread explain why i was supposed to give a gently caress about captain phasma like...ever? You weren't.
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Professor Funk posted:can someone in this thread explain why i was supposed to give a gently caress about captain phasma like...ever? Brienne of Tarth owns that's about the only reason
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Ze Pollack posted:see: the entire post-snoke scene with Hux and Ren. "welp, the boss is dead *choke* I... GUESS... WE ALL FOLLOW THE NEXT BIG ANGRY FORCE GUY?" the New Order is doomed, because it refuses to learn the lesson that following the biggest baddest force user is a recipe for eating poo poo repeatedly at the hands of ghosts. Maybe Hux will be the one to kill Kylo. That'd be a good crank.
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Mantis42 posted:Maybe Hux will be the one to kill Kylo. That'd be a good crank. The best scene in the entire movie was him slowly grabbing for his blaster in the throne room, and sadly, kylo waking up.
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Professor Funk posted:can someone in this thread explain why i was supposed to give a gently caress about captain phasma like...ever? I don’t think you were? There’s a good possibility that you originally were supposed to give a gently caress but she was mostly thrown to the cutting room floor. There’s also the possibility that she, like Snoke, was intended to eventually subvert expectations. Personally, I believe both characters were intended to have more of a presence at first, but a variety of factors led to them being reduced. Then, when it came time to execute Episode VIII, their roles were ultimately changed and they were dismissed entirely in light of where the series was now heading.
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Foppish Yet Dashing posted:
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Schwarzwald posted:There's more than a little fat that could be cut from the film, but if anything I wanted to see more of the casino. I’m sorry you don’t like Star Wars
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Schwarzwald posted:There's more than a little fat that could be cut from the film, but if anything I wanted to see more of the casino. Honestly what would be left if you cut the fat from this movie? It felt like complete filler.
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Thought the movie was overall solid, but Jesus H. The loving Leia resurrection scene was the goddamn worst. Riding horses through the city was pretty bad too. Oh, I guess spending half the film in the slowest moving chase scene was pretty lovely. Henrik Zetterberg fucked around with this message at 09:36 on Dec 17, 2017 |
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Waffles Inc. posted:Not to mention that, like a lot of these comparisons, it doesn't make any sense past the initial look. It’s a repeat of the reaction to TFA: 95% of the posts are about the plot, and the five percent that tackle the narrative are saying like “the moral is don’t take risks!” Or “Star Wars represents Star Wars, the characters dress like Star Wars characters because it’s Star Wars”. Or “young people aren’t old people; old people are older than the younger ones.” Or “the force is like the internet! Using the force is like using the internet! And even all this is just a form of restating the plot. Meanwhile the fact that everyone can do ‘astral projection’ is glossed over. Astral projection, like telekinesis, of course isn’t real - so what is the film expressing here? Star Wars films have always followed an “as if” logic: it’s as if the sword flies into Luke’s hand. It’s as if objects bend to his will. It’s as if Han has impossible vision while blind, and it’s as if Jar Jar is tossed around the battlefield by a divine hand, etc. So when Luke’s spirit-self specifically appears as people remember him - across vast distances, without latency - this points to it being a metaphorical deal: it’s as if Luke is there. But this entire concept is also a fairly direct reference to the gnostic version of Christ: “In order to reveal his dual nature, the Acts of John reports that at times [Jesus Christ] was substantial like an ordinary human being, but that at other times he seemed insubstantial and did not even seem to leave footprints. (Acts of John 88-89). Everything he did was ‘a symbol and a dispensation for the conversion and salvation of humanity’ (Acts of John 102 cf. also Against Heresies 1:8:2). He taught he disciples ‘first in a figurative and mystical way, then in parables and riddles and thirdly clearly and directly in private’ (Excerpts of Theodotus 66 cf. John 16:25, Luke 8:9-10).” -gnosis.org What we have is a sort of strange battle between this New Age Christ dispensing knowledge of self-actualization, and the authentic Christ that is Vader.
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A couple of days later, and I find myself liking it less the more I think about it. I'm just gonna stick to Dave Filoni's TV shows and, maybe, the one-offs if they look good, because they appear to be incapable of getting the main line sequels close to worthwhile.
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Star Wars having flashbacks is weird, especially with how the prequels and TFA have mostly stuck to the visual and directing style of the originals. The Kylo and Rey livechatting sequences were pretty interestingly done with nothing but camera angles and back-and-forth from different settings. But Rey's trippy mirror sequence was weird in comparison. (though I could swear the OT had a trippy mystical hallucination sequence with Luke at some point) Also, apparently trees can be Jedi, or Sith. Also, lol that Luke's original fuckup was being wishy washy on killing baby Hitler.
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Inescapable Duck posted:Star Wars having flashbacks is weird, especially with how the prequels and TFA have mostly stuck to the visual and directing style of the originals. Wouldn't be the first time Star Wars canon has had a tree Jedi.
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Inescapable Duck posted:Also, lol that Luke's original fuckup was being wishy washy on killing baby Hitler. Jeb! will fix it!
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The phase of discussion of a movie where SMG has begun posting but enough normal people are still in the thread that his mental diarrhea is just ignored, is my favorite. We’re in the sweet spot folks
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