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Top Gun posted:The last 2 sucked. Ridley is suffering from whatever disease Lucas got when he started destroying star wars. Luckily Disney is once again here to save the day and gentrify another beloved 70s/80s franchise! A strange post through and through.
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K. Waste posted:The Walt Disney Company: Building better worlds. Prometheus even has an evil billionaire explicitly modeled on Walt Disney.
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Dec 16, 2017 00:57
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I thought of him as Peter Thiel
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The Vosgian Beast posted:I thought of him as Peter Thiel The little dog, Walt Disney Presents-style corporate video and being frozen until the immortality vaccine is discovered is all Walt.
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Dec 16, 2017 04:22
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K. Waste posted:A film about a bunch of violent convicts banding together, with no regard for their own lives, to prevent a massive corporation from creating biological weapons that will destroy humanity, is not nihilist. That's a straightforward narrative in which virtue triumphs over avarice.
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Dec 16, 2017 18:16
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Xenomrph posted:This is a good point, although the movie's characters do play up the inevitability of death fairly regularly, and Ripley epitomizes it when she learns that she has an Alien inside her. Is there a philosophical doctrine or mindset for something like that, where one accepts death but seeks to do so on their own terms, and give their death meaning? I was going to say "fatalist" but I looked it up before I went mis-using the term and it's definitely not that. Calvinism? SMG would probably be the one to ask about that, Christian Marxism is kind of his bag. In a more general sense, though, I think it's obvious that for as dour as Alien 3 gets, it amplifies the integrity of the setting, which is literally some kind of apocalyptic Christian prison cult. That scene where Newt and Hicks are 'commended to the void, with happy heart' is beautiful. As chaotic as the film's production was, the basic kernel of an idea of placing sci-fi tropes in an anachronistically medieval fantasy framework survived, and its one of the more potent aspects of the film. If I had to take a stab at it, I'd say it's pretty familiar to me having been raised Catholic. Even the whole concept of Ripley shaving her head and passing among a society dominated by men is straight out of Joan of Arc.
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Dec 16, 2017 18:32
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Xenomrph posted:Is there a philosophical doctrine or mindset for something like that, where one accepts death but seeks to do so on their own terms, and give their death meaning? Healthy?
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Dienes posted:Healthy?
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Xenomrph posted:In that case, why does the movie lean on it so heavily and call so much attention to it? She was on a planet where every other inhabitant was a mentally ill violent offender with double-y syndrome. One fifth of the country is on psychotropic meds. Healthy stands out.
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Dec 17, 2017 04:29
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I remember the first time I saw Alien Resurrection I was eating those microwavable grilled chicken breasts that come in a bag at Costco nonstop and at the scene where Ridley walks into that room and sees all those freakshow versions of her that they tried to clone I started barfing. Sums up that movie nicely I think.
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Dec 17, 2017 06:39
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Top Gun posted:I remember the first time I saw Alien Resurrection I was eating those microwavable grilled chicken breasts that come in a bag at Costco nonstop and at the scene where Ridley walks into that room and sees all those freakshow versions of her that they tried to clone I started barfing. Sums up that movie nicely I think. christ
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Dec 17, 2017 06:46
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Top Gun posted:I remember the first time I saw Alien Resurrection I was eating those microwavable grilled chicken breasts that come in a bag at Costco nonstop and at the scene where Ridley walks into that room and sees all those freakshow versions of her that they tried to clone I started barfing. Sums up that movie nicely I think. This is very vivid.
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Dec 17, 2017 06:47
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I can't eat non bread/fried covered chicken thanks to dissecting a really fat cat in high school. The fat we took out looked exactly like chicken and the smell made me ill Goddamn that cat was so fat. My teacher said he never saw anything like that before.
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Dec 17, 2017 06:55
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Top Gun posted:I remember the first time I saw Alien Resurrection I was eating those microwavable grilled chicken breasts that come in a bag at Costco nonstop and at the scene where Ridley walks into that room and sees all those freakshow versions of her that they tried to clone I started barfing. Sums up that movie nicely I think. I'm picturing you scarfing down like 5 microwaved chicken breasts in a row over like a 20 minute period.
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CelticPredator posted:thanks to dissecting a really fat cat in high school. ....But why? Are dissections really still a thing in some countries? And why a cat, of all things?
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Dec 17, 2017 10:54
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THE BAR posted:....But why? I graduated from highschool in 2002, but we did a frog dissection in my senior year biology class. I ended up not having to take any lab classes in college so that was the last dissection I ever had to do. As a cat owner I think I'd have real serious problems dissecting a cat. Like, I'd have willingly taken the F grade rather than doing it.
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Dec 17, 2017 12:37
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THE BAR posted:....But why? Dissecting stuff in high school isn't unusual (at least throughout the 90s) but it's more commonly a small frog or a worm and you can almost always do some alternate assignment if you let them know ahead of time that you're not comfortable doing it. Schools have to buy those from a supplier just like everything else though, and depending on the logistics of what the school has stocked/what's available will effect whether a bunch of small things are dissected by groups or if one larger animal/body part is used for the whole class.
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Dec 17, 2017 16:03
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THE BAR posted:....But why? I think the option was dogs or cats and my teacher picked cats. I honestly don't know. I didn't like doing it.
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Dec 17, 2017 16:05
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THE BAR posted:....But why? I was in high school from 1998 - 2002, and in freshman biology we had to dissect a frog and a fetal pig.
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Dec 17, 2017 16:10
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But why is it still a thing? What can students possibly learn, that you can't already find in books and articles?
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I took zoology in college and dissected a bunch of stuff. Shark. Worm. Squid. Probably some kind of fish. I don't remember if we did any mammals.
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Dec 17, 2017 16:38
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THE BAR posted:But why is it still a thing? What can students possibly learn, that you can't already find in books and articles? Being able to literally hold something in your hand and handle how it works and fits with everything can be super helpful.
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Dec 17, 2017 16:43
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Yeah. I have mixed feelings about the morality of it, but in terms of learning what the insides.of.living creatures actually actually actually look like, there's no substitute. Like in the class I took, we obviously studied a bunch of diagrams and read a bunch of stuff also. But the real thing is quit different. Almost all diagrams are color coded and it's hard to get a sense of scale. Plus obviously a textural understanding of the structure of the tissues involved.
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Neo Rasa posted:Being able to literally hold something in your hand and handle how it works and fits with everything can be super helpful. Normally, yes, but this example seems so pointless to me. You're not going fist-deep in a frog's internals under any circumstances. You're just spending an awful lot of energy procuring corpses to dissect, finding alternatives to those who refuse and for what purpose? Tradition? Medical students obviously need to know anatomy, but they know what they signed up for. E: I can't say when we stopped practicing dissections in high school or whatever in Denmark, but it's been decades. It just seems like a whole heap of trouble for miniscule gains. THE BAR fucked around with this message at 16:53 on Dec 17, 2017 |
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Now that Disney owns aliens, will they make the movies better?
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Xenomrph posted:This is a good point, although the movie's characters do play up the inevitability of death fairly regularly, and Ripley epitomizes it when she learns that she has an Alien inside her. Is there a philosophical doctrine or mindset for something like that, where one accepts death but seeks to do so on their own terms, and give their death meaning? I was going to say "fatalist" but I looked it up before I went mis-using the term and it's definitely not that. Calvinism? Humanism.
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Covok posted:Now that Disney owns aliens, will they make the movies better? Kingdom Hearts might be in for interesting times.
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THE BAR posted:Kingdom Hearts might be in for interesting times. "Garsh, Donald, I don't know about that Ripley fellow. I have a bad feeling in my gut about her. Actually I've had a bad feeling in my gut since I took that nap." "Oh, Goofy..." *cocks gun to take him out like Of Mice And Men*
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In middle school we dissected owl pellets, frogs, and pig fetuses in that order. We got pretty morbid when we got to the pig fetuses, everyone trying to mortify it to make as grotesque a puppet as possible. All boy middle school is a hell of a place.
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I was the only one to make a puppet out of my bullfrog . . I was that guy . .Covok posted:Now that Disney owns aliens, will they make the movies better? hahahahaha
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We dissected owl pellets, earthworms, crayfish, frogs, sharks, piglets, and sheep eyes. No cats, thankfully. Guess my school just really wanted kids to cut up animals. A few of us got pregnant sharks, causing one girl to exclaim: "I didn't know sharks were mammals!"
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Black Bones posted:I was the only one to make a puppet out of my bullfrog . . I was that guy . . At least they might take it away from Ridley Scott, a man who is just not able to recapture the magic of the original films and his psychological and philosophical drivel is not being well received and mostly made me and my friends laugh.
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Covok posted:At least they might take it away from Ridley Scott, a man who is just not able to recapture the magic of the original films and his psychological and philosophical drivel is not being well received and mostly made me and my friends laugh. See? Yet another reason why Disney buying Fox is an awful idea that should be illegal.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:See? Yet another reason why Disney buying Fox is an awful idea that should be illegal. It's happening.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:See? Yet another reason why Disney buying Fox is an awful idea that should be illegal. Oh, come on, there's still an outside shot that Trump's DOJ says no to Rupert Murdoch getting $50 billiolololol
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what's the over/under on david being revealed as the villain of disney's inevitable alien trilogy during a mid-credits sequence edit: can't wait for ripley to pass the torch to newt before dying a heroic death because nerds didn't like her last heroic death enough. bets on who plays newt? j-law? MajorB fucked around with this message at 19:27 on Dec 17, 2017 |
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Covok posted:At least they might take it away from Ridley Scott, a man who is just not able to recapture the magic of the original films Good filmmaking is not magic. The goal is not to recapture the unique cultural and social context of a movie that came out 38 years ago. The goal is to make a good film on its own terms. Prometheus and Covenant are both very good.
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Dec 17, 2017 19:38
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K. Waste posted:Good filmmaking is not magic. I'm surprised how many fans of the Alien movies in particular share this sentiment when each of the four Alien film has had a completely different director's sensibilities behind it. Plus even if Ridley Scott wanted to make something almost identical to Alien and somehow literally every single person who worked on Alien was available/alive to also work on Prometheus, it still would be absolutely nothing like Alien beyond "folks on a ship run into some weird poo poo" and that's hardly a failure on the part of anyone involved.
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Because they want Aliens.
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K. Waste posted:Good filmmaking is not magic. I disagree. Film is basically a magic trick where you wow the audience by basically tricking them into feeling something.
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