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CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




Welcome back CI

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Reince Penis
Nov 15, 2007

by R. Guyovich
CI is hated on by everyone in the thread, but he keeps things interesting and we'd fall apart if he ever left.


CI is basically the Quebec of the CanPol thread. Vive Le CI Libre!

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord
Only idiots hate CI hth

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
Let's just hope CI doesn't get himself permabanned by the tankie mod like certain other D&D lightning rods.

yellowcar
Feb 14, 2010

CI actually posts what we all think deep down inside

Kraftwerk
Aug 13, 2011
i do not have 10,000 bircoins, please stop asking

yellowcar posted:

CI actually posts what we all think deep down inside

Confirmed.

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




Reince Penis posted:

CI is hated on by everyone in the thread, but he keeps things interesting and we'd fall apart if he ever left.


CI is basically the Quebec of the CanPol thread. Vive Le CI Libre!

Only lame idiots hate CI. Wait....that's the same as Quebec.......

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


I demand from this day forth that every CI post is posted larger in french than it is in english.

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/1...kcahpmg00000002

quote:

A Liberal MP says she regularly experiences instances of "microaggressions" that feel like "death by a thousand cuts."

Celina Caesar-Chavannes took to Facebook on Thursday evening to describe an experience she had in a washroom in her Ottawa office building.

In a post, the Ontario MP said she was getting ready for an "epic" photo shoot for a magazine spread due for release next year.

"I was excited. I was joy personified," she said.

The mood quickly changed, Caesar-Chavannes said, after two women walked into the washroom.

She said one of the women walked straight past her and into a stall while the other put her wallet on a counter by the washroom door.

"As she placed her wallet down and our eyes met in the reflection of the mirror, she said, 'Don't steal my wallet OK?'" the MP wrote.

"My smile, joy and excitement vanished. She noticed, because she quickly responded with an, "I was just joking" - with a little sprinkle of 'like duh??' on the side."

HuffPost Canada reached out to the the MP's office for comment, but a spokesperson said she had nothing to add to what she wrote in her post.

"To say that these micro-aggressions do not bother me, would be a lie. They do," she wrote. The term is used to describe the subtle or unintentional insults or discrimination of a member of a marginalized group.

"They happen all the time."

Caesar-Chavannes, who was elected in 2015, said other experiences include being asked what she was doing in a certain location or if she was "with" the "White men in suits ahead of me."

Geoff Regan, the Speaker of the House, released a statement on Friday saying he was disappointed to learn about Caesar-Chavannes experience but that he'd spokenwith her about the incident.

"As Speaker, it is of course my priority that all Members are treated respectfully. I have instructed the Parliamentary Protective Service and the House of Commons Administration to take immediate steps to ensure that all Members and indeed all visitors to the Hill are treated with dignity and respect, in keeping with our institutional values," Regan added.

Supporters on social media thanked the MP for sharing her story.

We're good peeps, here in Canada.

https://twitter.com/GavinHStill/status/942476672221114369

https://twitter.com/kimyoungpi/status/941743318270083072

https://twitter.com/Druid_Returns/status/941746714934996992

Aoi
Sep 12, 2017

Perpetually a Pain.

bunnyofdoom posted:

If the liberals were causing billionaires to kill themselves half the thread would start saying nice things about JT

When I walked into the room as the news was breaking on the tv, I said "See, Canadians can still be proud of setting an example for the rest of the world to follow.".

I felt kind of bad later, but only about these individual human beings who happened to be billionaires, not billionaires in general killing themselves.

Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

That's terrible, if we can't have a little fun with a common stereotype then what else do we have. Wallet lady will have to make the joke more obvious next time like "Don't steal my wallet ok, ya filthy Liberal".

Tsyni
Sep 1, 2004
Lipstick Apathy

The replies are rude, but sometimes I have trouble putting these things into context. I've said something similar lots of times "don't steal this thing! Haha..." Should I not do that if it's a minority... Because it might remind them of negative stereotypes? Or what?

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

Tsyni posted:

The replies are rude, but sometimes I have trouble putting these things into context. I've said something similar lots of times "don't steal this thing! Haha..." Should I not do that if it's a minority... Because it might remind them of negative stereotypes? Or what?

A minority with which you aren't on exceptionally good terms? Yeah, I can't imagine "joking" about that to a relative stranger.

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
Hey you guys we really need to protect the most venal, rapacious motherfuckers, our poor MPs from bullying

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
I'm totally positive this oval office isn't pulling this stunt or of some cynical and devious plot to curry some kind of favour

Even if she isn't, Iguess I'm not sure she'll be able to somehow comfort herself with that MP pension

This is a grave injustice and we need the senate to investigate

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

namaste faggots posted:

I'm totally positive this oval office isn't pulling this stunt or of some cynical and devious plot to curry some kind of favour

Even if she isn't, Iguess I'm not sure she'll be able to somehow comfort herself with that MP pension

This is a grave injustice and we need the senate to investigate

:fuckoff:

James Baud
May 24, 2015

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
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James Baud fucked around with this message at 12:09 on Aug 26, 2018

heehee
Sep 5, 2012

haha wow i cant believe how lucky we got to win :D
Perspective* is key to everything~

heehee fucked around with this message at 03:24 on Dec 18, 2017

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

James Baud posted:

Being told to show your bus pass to get on the bus is also a microaggression, apparently.

It's pretty amazing how differently people can view the same world.

If you had an ounce more perspective, this might be where you'd think, "maybe other people really do experience life differently because of their race or gender," rather than knee jerk making GBS threads all over the concept.

Furnaceface
Oct 21, 2004




PhilippAchtel posted:

If you had an ounce more perspective, this might be where you'd think, "maybe other people really do experience life differently because of their race or gender," rather than knee jerk making GBS threads all over the concept.

Dont waste your energy replying to James Baud, he is literally the anti-CI.

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
Hmmm quite right transit fares are inherently racist

James Baud
May 24, 2015

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
.

James Baud fucked around with this message at 12:09 on Aug 26, 2018

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
As the posterboy for white privilege I can't imagine why anyone would be distrusting of authority figures, feel unwelcome in certain social situations, or believe that life in general is a daily struggle.

Acknowledging that someone might feel this way is actually denying them agency.

namaste faggots posted:

Hmmm quite right transit fares are inherently racist

Farebox recovery is classist AF, comrade.

James Baud
May 24, 2015

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
.

James Baud fucked around with this message at 12:09 on Aug 26, 2018

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe

infernal machines posted:

As the posterboy for white privilege I can't imagine why anyone would be distrusting of authority figures, feel unwelcome in certain social situations, or believe that life in general is a daily struggle.

Acknowledging that someone might feel this way is actually denying them agency.


Farebox recovery is classist AF, comrade.

nice humblebrag

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

namaste faggots posted:

nice humblebrag

:smugdon:

Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

PhilippAchtel posted:

A minority with which you aren't on exceptionally good terms? Yeah, I can't imagine "joking" about that to a relative stranger.

Right, nobody would have said that because who leaves their wallet on the counter in a public bathroom and none of it happened.

PhilippAchtel posted:

If you had an ounce more perspective, this might be where you'd think, "maybe other people really do experience life differently because of their race or gender," rather than knee jerk making GBS threads all over the concept.

I got to see one of these at a christmas party. CEO comes over and gives the female employee a pat on shoulder and says "Smile!" and her boyfriend, who doesn't work there, a big handshake. I don't think it was a microaggression because there was no intent there but, having been oversensitized to the gendered lens from this thread, I checked in and she was seething.

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe

Postess with the Mostest posted:



I got to see one of these at a christmas party. CEO comes over and gives the female employee a pat on shoulder and says "Smile!" and her boyfriend, who doesn't work there, a big handshake. I don't think it was a microaggression because there was no intent there but, having been oversensitized to the gendered lens from this thread, I checked in and she was seething.

didn't Deep Thinking Intellectual, the honurable and righteous margaret wente just write an article about this

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Postess with the Mostest posted:

I don't think it was a microaggression because there was no intent there but, having been oversensitized to the gendered lens from this thread, I checked in and she was seething.

I thought they're not necessarily "intentional" just subconscious expressions of the way people view whatever marginalized group.

namaste faggots posted:

didn't Deep Thinking Intellectual, the honurable and righteous margaret wente just write an article about this

I assume she was somehow in favour of it

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

Postess with the Mostest posted:

Right, nobody would have said that because who leaves their wallet on the counter in a public bathroom and none of it happened.

Women do all the time. It probably makes less sense to men because they keep their wallets in their pockets, but the idea that a woman placed her wallet or handbag or whatever it was on the counter isn't implausible at all.

quote:

I got to see one of these at a christmas party. CEO comes over and gives the female employee a pat on shoulder and says "Smile!" and her boyfriend, who doesn't work there, a big handshake. I don't think it was a microaggression because there was no intent there but, having been oversensitized to the gendered lens from this thread, I checked in and she was seething.

Maybe he's sexually harassed her in the past or is just a condescending prick. Maybe she just hates his guts and having his hand on her shoulder physically repulses her. It's not that hard to imagine.

She's probably just being overly sensitive because she's a woman, though, amirite? :v:

ETA: Men do this poo poo a lot actually, casually touch their female associates and subordinates. And, yeah, sometimes it's unwelcome or inappropriate. A male boss touching a female subordinate who isn't living up to his expectations of perky at an office party actually is a perfect example of a condescending micro-aggression. Thanks for sharing.

PhilippAchtel fucked around with this message at 02:19 on Dec 18, 2017

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




Lipstick Apathy
Touching your employees is a sign of dominance and doesn’t necessarily imply sexist intent. It’s just a thing certain types of boss do

E: not defending it, just saying that if you watch the boss he’s probably doing that to his male employees too. Stopping doing that would be a good thing all around.

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

Jordan7hm posted:

Touching your employees is a sign of dominance and doesn’t necessarily imply sexist intent. It’s just a thing certain types of boss do

E: not defending it, just saying that if you watch the boss he’s probably doing that to his male employees too. Stopping doing that would be a good thing all around.

I get that you're not trying to defend it, but it is funny how much the thread is guffawing and bending over backwards to deny that careless racist and sexist stuff happens all the time.

Maybe it was just a dominance thing. Maybe it was both. But it pretty clearly isn't out of bounds to interpret it as a sexist thing, which is funny since it was intended as an anecdote about how overly sensitive some people are.

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




Lipstick Apathy
I don’t think it’s out of bounds to interpret it as sexist, especially if you’re the one being touched. But it’s one of the ways people demonstrate their power, regardless of gender. It’s a more exaggerated version of the two hand handshake.

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
guys i am so worried about the mental wellbeing of our MPs

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord
Imagine a MP going on stress leave, the stress of constantly lying

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
philip achtel should we give your precious mp compensation for all this mental anguish

pls advise

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
maybe we can fund it out of some aboriginal reserve suicide relief fund since the money's not being used anyway

Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

PhilippAchtel posted:

She's probably just being overly sensitive because she's a woman, though, amirite? :v:

ETA: Men do this poo poo a lot actually, casually touch their female associates and subordinates. And, yeah, sometimes it's unwelcome or inappropriate. A male boss touching a female subordinate who isn't living up to his expectations of perky at an office party actually is a perfect example of a condescending micro-aggression. Thanks for sharing.

Well I asked and she was pissed off she didn't get the handshake. She wanted him to see her first as a professional competent employee and not as a woman. I agree the touching was inappropriate but that wasn't what really hurt, it was her perceived, probably accurate, reasoning behind it and that her boyfriend got what she wanted just by default. The CEO is either misses glaringly obvious things or recognizes what motivates her and withholds it like a perfect slot machine.

e: it was definitely sexist, the shoulder touch and the smile! thing was not something you'd do to a guy

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

Here you go, dumbshits. Read this article until you really grok the kinds of poo poo that women have to think about all the time as a matter of personal safety in our society in the tyool 2017.

http://www.macleans.ca/opinion/what-we-know-and-have-always-known-about-this-moment-in-sexual-harassment/

quote:

What we know—and have always known—about this moment in sexual harassment

These stories of harassment exist on a spectrum, but they’re all about abuse of power as gratification, writes Tabatha Southey

On Dec. 7, Democratic Senator Al Franken of Minnesota announced that he will shortly be resigning from the U.S. Senate. Franken has been accused of groping several women, mostly while they were having their picture taken with him, and of planting a few big, sloppy and decidedly unsolicited kisses on the mouths of women he met in a professional capacity.

Just weeks ago, in the wake of multiple allegations of sexual misconduct against him, distribution of comedian Louis C.K’s film I Love You, Daddy was cancelled, HBO suspended C.K.’s appearance on an upcoming Night of Too Many Stars, and Netflix announced they would not be producing his next stand-up special.

Both Franken and C.K. have admitted wrongdoing, although Franken seems to be having difficulty sticking to both his story and his “sorry,” which doesn’t look good on him. I’ve followed both these men’s careers admiringly and wish that all of that comedic and legislative work had been done by men who—unlike Franken, apparently—were consistently capable of spending a day glad-handing at a state fair without grabbing a stranger’s rear end uninvited. Please, just eat a corn dog, down a funnel cake, guess the weight of a pumpkin, pose for some pics and go home, guys. This is not political rocket science.

I regret that C.K. masturbated in front of women he worked with, women who worked for him, and women who knew he metaphorically held their careers in his hands even as he literally held his penis in his hand. They should never have been put in that position.

What I don’t regret is C.K. or Franken or anyone else being called to account for their behaviour or much else about this Great Moment in Sexual Harassment History we’re currently witnessing. After all, these were not “crimes against property.” This wasn’t prop comedy, as bad as that would be, partly because it wasn’t comedic and also these things were done to women who were just going about their business. I believe some greater good will come of this little revolution via revelations.

There was a time, not so long ago at all, when people routinely said the same things we’re hearing now—“If it really bothered her, she’d have left”; “I bet he barely touched her”; “Look, it’s a private matter, it’s between them”; “She must have done something to get him going”—but they were talking about men beating their wives. We’re still far from perfect in that regard, but a societal shift did occur, and maybe what we’re experiencing now is another.

Yes, the talents of C.K. and Franken will be missed for as long as they’re gone, but I’d trade both these guys and Matt Lauer, Charlie Rose, two Garrison Keillors, a Mark Halperin, a half-dozen Harvey Weinsteins and all the others I don’t have the patience or the word count to name if it would start to make things right. It would be great if we could get all the women who scuttled quietly away back in this deal, but we can’t—and please consider that before you bemoan the “brain drain” taking place in the entertainment industry.

We will never know what work those women might have done, but film-wise, maybe everyone should have to sit through two hours of blank screen and think about that. Just one 20-minute “set” with no one onstage at the comedy club because I have no doubt that there have been talented women who never got to figure out how great they could be because when harassed, groped, coerced and humiliated, they walked away from the scene.

“Oh, but they should have had a thicker skin!” I hear some people cry. So let me tell you something that a lot of women figure out pretty quickly: You either walk away—get to safety—when that creepy, gropey stuff happens, knowing that leaving will likely get you accused of over-reacting, perhaps called “hysterical,” or you stay, in which case you will be held responsible for anything that happens afterwards as well as having to go through it. It’s the gamble you take.

From the time you’re 14 and the dad driving you home from your babysitting gig reaches over and squeezes your thigh and says “Lookin’ good,” you are going to be, on some level, asked to account for what is done to you next. Growing up girl is partly about learning to get out of situations—short-term or long-term—that look bad or turn weird. It’s about managing your exits without hurting the feelings of the man involved or, God forbid, making him angry because there may be hell to pay if he loses his temper and then you’ll be asked, “Maybe you could have handled that a little better?”

Women play a non-stop game of Whac-A-Mole most of their lives, if the goal of Whac-A-Mole was to talk a mole gently back down to its hole without upsetting it or embarrassing it in front of its mole friends, just as another mole pops up. It’s ”I’m seeing someone else, Mole,” “I got another job offer, Mole,” “Oh, hey, Mole, you’re cute, but I have to go meet my brother.”

Most of what we’re seeing in the news about sexual harassment isn’t actually news to women because we already knew all this. All of it but the names. Well, some of the names were known, just as a lot of us know that there are women who would have merrily signed up to watch C.K. “defrag his hard drive”—but their willing participation was not what he desired. Similarly, most of us realize that a man as wealthy and powerful as Weinstein need never have spent a night alone and, listening to the stories of the many women who have credibly accused him of threatening, tormenting, sexually assaulting and raping them, we can surmise that consensual sex, a phone call away, is not what gets him off.

While these stories exist on a broad spectrum, they are about abuse of power as gratification, something these men felt entitled to at any cost, and about telling women what is first and foremost their place.

Many of us know all this, even if we’ve never known a successful film producer or politician. We understand that we are hearing these stories because they involve famous people and the stories of the famous get listened to, but that this is hardly a wild story from the decadent beyond.

Adjust for scale, and to me it looks a bit like this, a moment I’d forgotten until the Weinstein story broke, and hardly the only story like this I know. When I was 17, I worked for a year in shoe store. It was a pretty good job. But one day, a coworker and I had an earnest discussion about our career prospects. She was about the same age as me and had just recently been hired, and she said to me quietly: “Well, you don’t want to work at ____ Jeans, you have to blow the boss,” and she shuddered ever so slightly, but somehow deeply, like it went all the way through her, and she glanced down awkwardly, shyly, for a “tough girl.” She’d worked at ____ Jeans.

The point is that if you have rent to pay, and are living paycheque-to-paycheque, and can’t afford a gap in your resume and are angling for that coveted “good reference,” you might desperately need to keep those five shifts locked down.

What we’re being told is not a “Hollywood” story: It’s just the story. A waitressing job can be a woman’s Titanic. Her boss may know that. The stakes vary, but the equation stays the same—and that’s what we need to change.

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namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
nah

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