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Serf posted:Were the Knights of Ren not the people that Ben and Rey murked in Snoke's throne room? That's what I assumed.
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Serf posted:Were the Knights of Ren not the people that Ben and Rey murked in Snoke's throne room? Those were The Praetorian Guard, but as far as I know it's not yet established where they came from, so there might be some overlap
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Dec 18, 2017 17:00
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Serf posted:Were the Knights of Ren not the people that Ben and Rey murked in Snoke's throne room? Maybe. You'd think though when Kylo did in Snoke that if they were the Knights of Ren, they would have just been cool with it instead of attacking them.
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Dec 18, 2017 17:02
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This is basically exactly where I'm at.
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Dec 18, 2017 17:02
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The Knights of Ren are one mystery from TFA that Rian Johnson didn’t throw in the trash compactor so I imagine JJ will revisit them in Ep. IX.
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Dec 18, 2017 17:03
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PostNouveau posted:Maybe. You'd think though when Kylo did in Snoke that if they were the Knights of Ren, they would have just been cool with it instead of attacking them. Why would you assume they would not ultimately be loyal to Snoke
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Dec 18, 2017 17:05
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Mahoning posted:The Knights of Ren are one mystery from TFA that Rian Johnson didn’t throw in the trash compactor so I imagine JJ will revisit them in Ep. IX. They could also just be an origin story for kylo and not be a thing that is around anymore. Maybe snoke ate them all except the strongest one or they died or they all failed training but kylo or whatever. Star Wars loves the last members of some past order of things.
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Dec 18, 2017 17:07
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Lotsa people think the salt planet = Hoth, which sure that was probably part of it. I feel like they probably went with it moreso because it looked really cool to have the white surface with red dust. Also helped the contrast with the last stand scenes. Like, I guess it could have been a swamp, or a desert, but that wouldn't have looked as cool.
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Dec 18, 2017 17:10
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:They could also just be an origin story for kylo and not be a thing that is around anymore. Maybe snoke ate them all except the strongest one or they died or they all failed training but kylo or whatever. Star Wars loves the last members of some past order of things. Doesn’t Snoke call him the Master of the Knights of Ren in TFA? You could be right though.
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Dec 18, 2017 17:13
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The World Inferno posted:Lotsa people think the salt planet = Hoth, which sure that was probably part of it. I feel like they probably went with it moreso because it looked really cool to have the white surface with red dust. Also helped the contrast with the last stand scenes. Yeah disregarding everything else, from a raw visual standpoint that scene was incredible.
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The World Inferno posted:Lotsa people think the salt planet = Hoth, which sure that was probably part of it. I feel like they probably went with it moreso because it looked really cool to have the white surface with red dust. Also helped the contrast with the last stand scenes. It's a barren, monochrome, almost death-like planet with vibrant crystals the color of blood or flame buried underneath. A neat visual metaphor that I'm a fan of.
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Dec 18, 2017 17:14
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:Everything went dead quiet except for one guy in the back who said "Gawd-drat!" My theater was silent for that amazing scene except for a child who said, somewhat sadly, "She broke it..." which owned
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Dec 18, 2017 17:17
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The hyperspace suicide attack is a top 5 Star Wars moment ever.
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Dec 18, 2017 17:21
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euphronius posted:Why would you assume they would not ultimately be loyal to Snoke Kylo's thier master right? You'd think they'd be like "Hell yeah, our dude is taking over."
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Dec 18, 2017 17:22
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PostNouveau posted:Kylo's thier master right? You'd think they'd be like "Hell yeah, our dude is taking over." "Finally! We can have casual Fridays!"
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Dec 18, 2017 17:24
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If the Knights of Ren are in episode nine, then I imagine Kylo is going to have his beer buddies be up in high ranking positions while Hux just not able to do a drat thing about it.
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Dec 18, 2017 17:28
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PostNouveau posted:Kylo's thier master right? You'd think they'd be like "Hell yeah, our dude is taking over." unclear . Our only source is Snoke in TFA and he's cruel and sarcastic to Ren. He might have been taunting Ren with the Master of the Knights of Ren title. Even so, if he is their master they still may ultimately be loyal to Snoke
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Dec 18, 2017 17:30
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It's astounding that Hux survives 5 minutes of Kylo's administration. It's a military organization; whoever's next in line will do what you tell him. Choke that bitch out before he starts plotting to overthrow you.
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Dec 18, 2017 17:34
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Rirse posted:If the Knights of Ren are in episode nine, then I imagine Kylo is going to have his beer buddies be up in high ranking positions while Hux just not able to do a drat thing about it. Something that would be interesting to see in Episode IX is if the First Order begins to break apart now that Snoke is dead, since his primary underlings are both incompetent and clearly hate each other. Hell, you could even have Finn begin actively recruiting former Imperials to join the Resistance to help rebuild their numbers, which could create some interesting conflict between those who recognize the Resistance need all the help they can get and those who would rather die than rely on former Imperials. Of course that wouldn't be a direct retread of RotJ, so there's no way it'll happen 
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Dec 18, 2017 17:40
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PostNouveau posted:It's astounding that Hux survives 5 minutes of Kylo's administration. It's a military organization; whoever's next in line will do what you tell him. Choke that bitch out before he starts plotting to overthrow you. I loved how Hux was going to kill Kylo much like Luke was, but his hesitation didn't come from a place of moral panic and self loathing like Luke's, but from a place of "this guy can accomplish our goals" Hux is great
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Dec 18, 2017 17:40
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Second best Luke part (after the Force hologram) was the moment with R2. For just a bit, the old jaded man falls aside and Hamill channels young OT Luke again. 
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Dec 18, 2017 17:41
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The one thing that breaks down the "It's an Empire/Jedi" remix is the lack of an analogue for Jabba's palace. But then I realized the casino is the analogue for Jabba's palace. The key difference is that it has the Arab harem/seedy jazz bar elements are replaced with white people stereotypes.
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Dec 18, 2017 17:43
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Timeless Appeal posted:The one thing that breaks down the "It's an Empire/Jedi" remix is the lack of an analogue for Jabba's palace. But then I realized the casino is the analogue for Jabba's palace. The key difference is that it has the Arab harem/seedy jazz bar elements are replaced with white people stereotypes. Which part of the Canto Bight sequence was an indictment of white people? Which countries in the real world are the largest concentrations of conspicuous consumption? Which country has the most lucrative horse races? You're making comparisons based upon things that the film does not show you
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Dec 18, 2017 17:46
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Timeless Appeal posted:The one thing that breaks down the "It's an Empire/Jedi" remix is the lack of an analogue for Jabba's palace. But then I realized the casino is the analogue for Jabba's palace. The key difference is that it has the Arab harem/seedy jazz bar elements are replaced with white people stereotypes. It's space Morocco, which is like spanish arab africa with resorts and gambling and arms dealers in the real world.
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Dec 18, 2017 17:51
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I wonder if Mark Hamill was inoculating himself from fan boy rage by stating in interviews that he very much disagreed with Johnson's treatment of Luke in the script
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Dec 18, 2017 18:00
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Waffles Inc. posted:Which part of the Canto Bight sequence was an indictment of white people? Which countries in the real world are the largest concentrations of conspicuous consumption? Which country has the most lucrative horse races? You're making comparisons based upon things that the film does not show you While Owl is right that Morocco is a touchpoint, the scene is meant to contrast with how the underbelly of Star Wars has usually been depicted. If you want to argue about the precision of using white people in my original post fine, but I think it's unfair to say that there is no comparison at all.
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hiddenriverninja posted:I wonder if Mark Hamill was inoculating himself from fan boy rage by stating in interviews that he very much disagreed with Johnson's treatment of Luke in the script I think he was just trying to big up how they were going somewhere with the character that wasn't immediately obvious.
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Waffles Inc. posted:I loved how Hux was going to kill Kylo much like Luke was, but his hesitation didn't come from a place of moral panic and self loathing like Luke's, but from a place of "this guy can accomplish our goals" I got more of a sense that Hux was going to kill him Ren since he was lying there unconscious, but stopped himself the moment he came to since he knew he had no chance of killing him
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Vegetable posted:This movie felt really bloated, like they had too much money and decided to keep adding an expensive set piece every time they were done with one. They should have found a way to end the film after the events on Snoke’s ship. It felt like it should have naturally ended there. You didn’t need to do the salt planet battle if the main point was just for Luke to show up and distract Kylo Ren.
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hiddenriverninja posted:I wonder if Mark Hamill was inoculating himself from fan boy rage by stating in interviews that he very much disagreed with Johnson's treatment of Luke in the script He didn't state it in "interviews", it was one line of one interview that fans seized on to prove starwars was ruined forever or whatever. It wasn't even a negative thing he was saying and he clarified in other interviews he didn't mean it in a bad way.
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Man, Rey is going to be a mythical figure in IX now that Kylo is telling everyone that she single-handedly kicked his rear end, killed Snoke and all the red guard and then a huge loving hole got blown into the flagship. I'd be terrified of her if I were a rank-and-file stormtrooper.
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Dec 18, 2017 18:46
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Is there a name for the "they aren't light sabers, they have little wiggly lightning lines instead of blades" technology that is so big in these movies?
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Dec 18, 2017 19:07
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Probably vibroblades
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Is there a name for the "they aren't light sabers, they have little wiggly lightning lines instead of blades" technology that is so big in these movies? They had something called vibroblades in the KotR video games that could stand up to a lightsaber but weren't lightsaber.
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PostNouveau posted:Man, Rey is going to be a mythical figure in IX now that Kylo is telling everyone that she single-handedly kicked his rear end, killed Snoke and all the red guard and then a huge loving hole got blown into the flagship. I'd be terrified of her if I were a rank-and-file stormtrooper. Yeah Kylo just straight up admitting it would have upped his street cred rather than stoking rumors of the enemy.
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Probably vibroblades Vibroblades are just space motorized turkey carving knives.
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Just freeballing here, but between Finn and Poe, I think they should have killed off one of them. Poe serves no purpose and has no real connection to any of the other characters. Finn had a pretty decent arc in The Force Awakens, but here he just feels like a distraction from the Rey and Ren story. I'm thinking they should have worked Finn's story here into an attempt to foment insurrection within the stormtrooper ranks, as some here have suggested. That'd give him a reason to come up against Phasma and make his background as a stormtrooper far more relevant. He should die while achieving some success in devastating the ranks of the First Order. A fragmented First Order, headed by an unstable Ren and torn apart by what'd essentially be labor unrest. There are rich real-world parallels to be drawn. Not sure what they should do with Poe. Here, he's used to subvert the Star Wars tradition of hot-headed pilots thinking their covert mission can save the day, and I have a lot of sympathy for that angle. But I don't think this part was told properly. It's ultimately not really Poe's plan, and we just see him hanging out at the base a lot. I think they should have made him take ownership of a Han Solo-esque plan, but have it fail absolutely miserably (possibly leading to the death of some other named character -- maybe Leia?). And they should milk the poo poo out of that for emotions, of course. Or he could actually die in one of those schemes. This one might be a bit too Game of Thrones, though. Whatever it is, they really should be doing more with Finn and Poe. In my imagination each of them had perfectly developed plotlines that they owned. Perhaps to that extent they could have cut back on Leia and Luke, freeing up screen time and allowing them to make a significant impact when they did appear.
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Dec 18, 2017 19:43
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Vegetable posted:Poe serves no purpose and has no real connection to any of the other characters. Poe's purpose is to be a goofus to show how a galant would work. His thinking would make finn smash his plane into the ram because that is what a cool hero does and rose's thinking would make someone smash their own thing into their friend's to make him not die. Finn's role is pretty much "be the baby everyone is parenting to grow up to be good" and everyone is doing different things and he learns the lesson of which are good and which are bad.
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Vegetable posted:Just freeballing here, but between Finn and Poe, I think they should have killed off one of them. Poe serves no purpose and has no real connection to any of the other characters. Finn had a pretty decent arc in The Force Awakens, but here he just feels like a distraction from the Rey and Ren story. Poe being the one to kamikaze himself into Snoke's ship would've made a great moment even better. Poe's whole plan to get the master code cracker directly leads to Benicio del Toro telling the FO about the hidden escape pods and getting all of those people killed, so he could have made up for his mistake. Dern's character just kind of comes out of nowhere and I found myself not caring so much about her sacrifice. Then you'd have Finn trying to go out like his bro before Rose stops him.
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Hobo Clown posted:Poe's whole plan to get the master code cracker directly leads to Benicio del Toro telling the FO about the hidden escape pods and getting all of those people killed Maybe my memory is fuzzy, but did Poe ever tell Finn and Rose that Laura Dern was planning to use the transports to escape? All I can think of is that it was when they were on their way back in the stolen ship prior to the mutiny but after Poe saw her fueling the transports. Otherwise I wasn't sure how Benicio even had that info, the whole premise of the code cracker plan was that they didn't think there was an official plan at all up until well after they left, much less the actual details of flying under the radar to a nearby planet (which he didn't learn till Leia personally ended the mutiny at the exact moment Finn and Rose were captured)
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