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Mu Zeta posted:It would be better if public transportation became so efficient that people thought driving would be too much of a hassle. That's how you get everyone to be on automated vehicles. But no, rich people don't want the minorities coming to their neighborhoods. They also don't want to pay taxes to support mass transit, because they don't care if poors can't afford a car.
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It’s true, we dont
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Atmus posted:I think the idea is that it's a precursor to actual autonomous trucks. you can automate the easiest part, which is just keeping a truck in the lane and not hitting anything. you can train a chimp to do that there's a lot more to driving a truck tho, or just driving in general. driving a vehicle is a complex social behavior, as a lot of what you do when driving isn't just lane keeping but rather anticipating what other drivers are going to do. you've seen gifs of humanoid robots who can walk and keep their balance, how often have you seen these robots walking in a crowd of people and navigating as a person does? same thing with self driving vehicles there's no binary point where self driving vehicles are "good enough" to be worth replacing humans with. there's a loooong spectrum of roles which self driving cars will gradually eat up - for example, airport shuttles with a fixed route between A and B are easy to automate, ambulances and fire trucks will be some of the last to automate if ever. freight haulage is likely to not ever be automated because a lot of the tasks a truck driver needs to do are very difficult to automate most likely self driving vehicles, both commercially and for independent use, will spend the next couple decades in a weird purgatory where as a driver you dont have to touch the controls but you do have to sit there, ready to take the controls in case of an emergency, in a sort of trancelike fugue as you're watched by cameras installed by your insurance company monitoring your behavior (these already exist for teen drivers) to make sure you are paying attention to the road and not watching porn
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Dec 18, 2017 19:00
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Self driving trucks will just be an excuse to cut driver pay because all they'll need to do is load/unload the truck and get it going again and just to be there in case something bad does happen
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Dec 18, 2017 19:05
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Later, they will ensure you are watching porn, and not trying to interfere with the driving system.
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Nobody should have to work. It should be optional, especially if we have robots that can do whole sectors of work.
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Dec 18, 2017 19:07
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boner confessor posted:you can automate the easiest part, which is just keeping a truck in the lane and not hitting anything. you can train a chimp to do that And this isn't even considering AVs for the blind, who are highly unlikely to be able to pull the vehicle over to the side of the road or into a parking lot if something goes wrong. (I have enough vision to be able to do this, speaking personally, but not enough to be otherwise legal to drive. I'd love to have an AV, if only because that gives me independence I can't otherwise obtain.)
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Karate Bastard posted:Later, they will ensure you are watching porn, and not trying to interfere with the driving system. Fleshlight interlock?
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boner confessor posted:you can automate the easiest part, which is just keeping a truck in the lane and not hitting anything. you can train a chimp to do that Interestingly enough I was watching an episode of NOVA yesterday about a DARPA contest for creating a "rescue" robot. It turns out that there's a shitload that goes into just navigating uneven terrain, or turning a valve. They're simple things to us humans, but in order to get a robot to complete the task (with a human operating it), it's extremely difficult and none of them were able to complete the course. IMHO I think the problem was that the contestants were tying too hard to make a humanoid robot, because locomotion on two legs is a fairly difficult task in itself.
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Shoulda got those tank tread legs which raise your armored core's weight limit and let you equip the heaviest missiles.
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self-driving trucks are still gonna have truckers, just in a more supervisory role. as long as other people share the same road i doubt people are gonna wanna have a computer behind the wheel of steel. a clocked up computer running on hour 17 of the day, red eyed and angry about sacks of meat cutting into its hours.
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Iron Crowned posted:IMHO I think the problem was that the contestants were tying too hard to make a humanoid robot, because locomotion on two legs is a fairly difficult task in itself. yes. the biggest problem with self driving vehicles is that we're trying to retrofit an inherently human mode of transportation to an environment which is largely hostile to automation (the complex urban landscape created by exclusive use of the automotive mode) if we were going to build automated transport from the ground up it would look a hell of a lot like mass transit since that's way easier (why make the machine steer a car in a free environment? why not just put the car on a track and cut out like 90% of the complexity?) and that's why most early conceptions of self driving cars conceptualized of the roadway itself as being a kind of track guiding a relatively dumb car instead we're trying to jam automation in to a very messy environment to deal with some of the problems caused by heavy reliance on automobiles (death, traffic, driving sucks) and it's super difficult to do and in some ways still isn't really feasible imagine self driving bicycles and how silly of an idea that is, and then self driving cars is only marginally less silly than that compared to something like light rail (super easy to automate and has been automated at times in the past)
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boner confessor posted:yes. the biggest problem with self driving vehicles is that we're trying to retrofit an inherently human mode of transportation to an environment which is largely hostile to automation (the complex urban landscape created by exclusive use of the automotive mode) Put a car on a track? Like a train/trolley system? They had those before the automotive industry lobbied them out of existence. It's all a dog chasing it's tail, in hell. e: i can't wait to see the inevitable future where self driving delivery cars are constantly being hijacked or hacked.
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LifeSunDeath posted:They had those before the automotive industry lobbied them out of existence. maybe 20% of the decline of streetcars is attributable directly to general motors and NCL the much bigger problem was the beginning of mass automotive suburbanization (started around 1920ish) and in many cities streetcar lines were hobbled by city ordinances capping their fares and once you've got a built environment that revolves around the use of a vehicle to traverse efficiently then lol you've kind of painted yourself into a corner LifeSunDeath posted:e: i can't wait to see the inevitable future where self driving delivery cars are constantly being hijacked or hacked. see this is where it just makes more sense to use drones to deliver small parcels to single family homes
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Mad Doctor Cthulhu posted:Also, I'm still doubtful we're living in a future where self-driving trucks is anything but a pipe dream. Trucks are going to happen well before cars, especially long-haul trucking where 90% of the route is all major highways. There's already been some effective demonstrations that indicate this could happen in 5-7 years vs the 10+ generally predicted for cars (not to open the auto-car time debate  ). There was a CGP Grey video about the future of job automation that specifically calls out self-driving vehicles as a major societal issue because transportation jobs account for one of the largest labor forces and a massive number are going to be unemployed with very specific skills.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU edit: that'll teach me to keep a tab open too long, the can's already been opened.
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Must be nice being the driver in a Buddweiser truck that drives itself. Just kick back and have a nice cold one. Heck, you're in a Budweiser truck, you could probably trade a case or two for a sixer of nice beers.
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oh look they're already trying to make bitcoin illegal. fuckin police
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Dec 18, 2017 19:42
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A crime so hilarious they don't even charge him.
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Dec 18, 2017 19:43
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I hope he made way more and hid it well
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Dec 18, 2017 19:43
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im guessing at least chuck e cheese coins can get you food?
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A hybrid solution that's being looked at is to fit the trucks with remote control, so remote human operators can perform the tricky "last mile" maneuvers and switch it to autopilot once it's on the freeway. So a "truck driver" would become like a drone operator, switch between multiple trucks.
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datajugend posted:im guessing at least chuck e cheese coins can get you food? No, they can not go towards the purchase of food.
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Dec 18, 2017 19:58
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datajugend posted:im guessing at least chuck e cheese coins can get you food? Charles "Chuck" Entertainment Cheese only accepts cold, hard cash for the cold, hard pizza. The tokens are for the games.
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The_end posted:No, they can not go towards the purchase of food. Back in my day you could use them to win tickets which could be exchanged for a really old sucker, or maybe a fun sized laffy taffy! That's less hassle than exchanging actual bitscoin for food.
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Crust First posted:a really old sucker Say hi to your mom for me
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Dec 18, 2017 20:12
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Fake, sadly. https://gizmodo.com/no-a-guy-didnt-scam-1-million-by-selling-chuck-e-che-1821382567
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gschmidl posted:Fake, sadly. https://gizmodo.com/no-a-guy-didnt-scam-1-million-by-selling-chuck-e-che-1821382567 i didn't want to say but there are some pretty serious logistical challenges with selling a token stamped "chuck e cheese" as anything other than a chuck e cheese token
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boner confessor posted:i didn't want to say but there are some pretty serious logistical challenges with selling a token stamped "chuck e cheese" as anything other than a chuck e cheese token I mean, people put money into this bullshit I think. Chucky cheeze coin scam could still work. 
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Sex Hobbit posted:Have you maybe seen the MST3K episode/old rear end Italian B-movie Hercules Unchained? He's pretty much the first mythical figure depicted. Nope, I suspect it is just that I read too much.
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boner confessor posted:i didn't want to say but there are some pretty serious logistical challenges with selling a token stamped "chuck e cheese" as anything other than a chuck e cheese token Not to mention the fact he would need to sell them as whole coins so every customer could only be buying in multiples of 10k usd or whatever value it's at now.
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Is the Twitter purge not generating good content?
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UP THE BUM NO BABY posted:Is the Twitter purge not generating good content? It probably is, but nobody wants to go on Gab long enough to find out.
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Ak Gara posted:They could become Uber drivers! Oh wait, driverless uber cars... Nah, self-driving tech is GREAT if you can steal the tech from a larger company and resell it to a bunch of assholes!
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UP THE BUM NO BABY posted:Is the Twitter purge not generating good content? Who got caught up in it?
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SpaceViking posted:It probably is, but nobody wants to go on Gab long enough to find out. https://twitter.com/willsommer/status/942792802559254528 Here's what we're missing out on.
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Regalingualius posted:Who got caught up in it? Lowtax
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Regalingualius posted:Who got caught up in it? https://twitter.com/FFRBookSeries/status/942764222806679554 Here's a good thread covering who is getting banned. Some highlights: Britain First (including the woman that Trump retweeted those faked videos from) Jared Taylor/American Renaissance ("Race realists") American Nazi Party Vanguard America Traditionalist Worker's Party the EDL
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UP THE BUM NO BABY posted:Is the Twitter purge not generating good content? "purge" is the wrong word to use. it implies that these nazis belonged on twitter and are being unjustly removed "flush" is a better word to describe what's going on here
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Self-driving trucks will be fought by the industry until t he last teamster dies of cardiovascular disease or mobster-induced lead overdose. If you want to talk about change in trucking just look at the ELD mandate: electronic logbooks have been fought by the industry since 1982, and took 35 years to go live across the industry ( today is ostensibly the first day of the ELD mandate, but DOT is so unprepared they won't start issuing citations until April).
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