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Sombrerotron posted:I mentioned this earlier in the thread, but perhaps it bears repeating: knowing there's cloaked ships about doesn't mean you can suddenly spot and/or target them. Clearly the transports weren't cloaked in the usual sense, because they were plainly visible, but it's possible they had some kind of stealth devices that render them invisible to radar or lidar or sensors or whatever. It's not outside the realm of possibility that Hux went "oh I guess we'll have to throw the anti-stealth switch and be done with it", but given that no such thing is mentioned, it seems likelier either that: It is mentioned: after BDT tells the FO about the plan to escape via transports, a guy comes in and says "we ran a decloaking scan" which is how they confirm what he tells them is true
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Sinding Johansson posted:Are you taking the piss Just because many of the things that happen are boring or pointless does not mean they aren't being paced to keep everything continuously moving and happening RIGHT NOW with no real time jumps.
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aware of dog posted:It is mentioned: after BDT tells the FO about the plan to escape via transports, a guy comes in and says "we ran a decloaking scan" which is how they confirm what he tells them is true [img]THANKSPOE.gif[img]
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Crion posted:Given the sequels' dedication to breakneck pacing and everything being immediate and tense, the first two movies take place over the course of...what? 72 hours? Is there a time-jump at the end of TFA between when Rey goes looking for Luke and when she finds him? Nope, unless they've been standing there for weeks.
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Dec 18, 2017 23:27
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s.i.r.e. posted:They do the same thing against the Royal Guards v.2 and they only have slightly less character than Snoke. Kylo killing Snoke is not the same as Kylo killing his father. It's not a sign of him seemingly having a change of heart, or showing that he's More Evil. It's a significant development for his character, it's just not the one you're looking for. I think the problem is you're viewing Kylo as an obstacle for the heroes, and not as one of the main characters in this series with his own conflicts and temptations. Tender Bender fucked around with this message at 23:35 on Dec 18, 2017 |
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Dec 18, 2017 23:31
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Can we talk about how this movie completely misses the visual point of a Star Wars film by using the same saturation filter as every other gritty movie in the last 10 years?
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Tender Bender posted:Kylo killing Snoke is not the same as Kylo killing his father. It's not a sign of him seemingly having a change of heart, or showing that he's More Evil. It's a significant development for his character, it's just not the one you're looking for. So what character development does it show? Also, he's both of those things much like Vader was.
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Dec 18, 2017 23:51
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Sinding Johansson posted:This movie literally took the wonderful finale of Rogue One and did everything backwards. Well yes. It's the mirror image of Rogue One's pro-libertarian message
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Dec 18, 2017 23:53
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busfahrer posted:Can we talk about how this movie completely misses the visual point of a Star Wars film by using the same saturation filter as every other gritty movie in the last 10 years? Holy poo poo yea. Remember when Star Wars was in color?
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aBagorn posted:Rogue One's pro-libertarian message 
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Sinding Johansson posted:Holy poo poo yea. Remember when Star Wars was in color? I really dug the use of colour - the film seemed to go out of its way to make the reds really vibrant (Snoke's throne room, his guards, the dust on Crait, Ren's lightsaber). Snoke's throne room kinda felt like it was something out of Ran actually. edit:  Man that's great set design. edit 2: Maybe I'm thinking of Greenaway's The Baby of Macon  or possibly something by Fellini or Bergman. Necrothatcher fucked around with this message at 00:09 on Dec 19, 2017 |
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Dec 19, 2017 00:04
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Second viewing this evening: yeah, fair play, good film. Casino planet and witholding the plan still dumb though.
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You're right but I think also listed every effectual use of color in the film right there.
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Sinding Johansson posted:You're right but I think also listed every effectual use of color in the film right there. I also liked the chase at the end too, particularly when the Falcon bursts into some huge crimson crystalline cave 
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So at the end when Luke appears and "touches" Leia, she immediately understands he's not actually there and it's only an insubstantial projection, right? She gives a look of slight shock and there's a quick countershot of Luke with a wry expression like "yup, you get it."
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The film? Hear this, trolls: I enjoyed it.
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And I don't want to just bang on about the red in the film, but man it was great red  
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Yoda trolling was the best part of this movie.
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busfahrer posted:Can we talk about how this movie completely misses the visual point of a Star Wars film by using the same saturation filter as every other gritty movie in the last 10 years? I think you missed the visual point of this Star Wars film. Mr. Flunchy posted:And I don't want to just bang on about the red in the film, but man it was great red Hell loving yes. Linguica posted:So at the end when Luke appears and "touches" Leia, she immediately understands he's not actually there and it's only an insubstantial projection, right? She gives a look of slight shock and there's a quick countershot of Luke with a wry expression like "yup, you get it." Did 3P0 know somehow too? There's no way he could have, right?
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Linguica posted:So at the end when Luke appears and "touches" Leia, she immediately understands he's not actually there and it's only an insubstantial projection, right? She gives a look of slight shock and there's a quick countershot of Luke with a wry expression like "yup, you get it." I thought it was because she felt the not-dice in her hand. Raises a point as to whether she'd think Kylo killed him or he died of exhaustion. Also the crystal tunnel chase and the Rebel fanfare are awesome.
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These guys are dope, they’re straight out of The Cell as if they’re manifested from someone’s dark psyche
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fivegears4reverse posted:The only reason we ever know Holdo is competent is because, ironically, Poe mentions something about her. You are trapped in the patriarchy and don’t even realize it. Here you are giving credit to a man, when the reason we know she is competent is because she was promoted to a high level job and we are explicitly told she is the clearest one qualified for the position. But your mind needed to wait for Poe’s OK. You should examine that in yourself.
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So I heard a good point someone brought up, the resistance ships slowed down when they ran out of fuel, why? Shouldn't they keep going the same speed if they are in space or am I misunderstanding how space and momentum work?
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Nude Bog Lurker posted:The mutiny would not have happened if Holdo had been a competent, inspiring leader. This is entirely distinct from whether her plan was good. Her crew didn't trust her and would rather take orders from the dude literally just demoted for insubordination. Literally everyone is fine taking orders from her except Poe who organizes a mutiny because he didn’t like how she talked to him and wouldn’t treat him like he thinks he deserves to be treated. Watch again when the woman is about to name Leia’s replacement. Poe looks around and thinks it’s gonna be him. He’s pissed it’s not. He then leans over to another man and is like “who the gently caress is this? This is the Holdo I’ve heard about? She’s a woman? gently caress.”
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GoldfishStew posted:You are trapped in the patriarchy and don’t even realize it. Here you are giving credit to a man, when the reason we know she is competent is because she was promoted to a high level job and we are explicitly told she is the clearest one qualified for the position. But your mind needed to wait for Poe’s OK. You should examine that in yourself. 
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Mr. Flunchy posted:And I don't want to just bang on about the red in the film, but man it was great red
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Tarantula posted:So I heard a good point someone brought up, the resistance ships slowed down when they ran out of fuel, why? Shouldn't they keep going the same speed if they are in space or am I misunderstanding how space and momentum work? Because the power of Life Day creates drag in the Star Wars universe, that's why. 
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GoldfishStew posted:Literally everyone is fine taking orders from her except Poe who organizes a mutiny because he didn’t like how she talked to him and wouldn’t treat him like he thinks he deserves to be treated. What you wrote is “everyone is fine taking orders from her” in the same sentence as “Poe organizes a mutiny” So is it everyone is fine taking orders from her or is there a mutiny?
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Sorry if this has been pointed out but: 1)Lolz at tiny bomber in the opening being able to do that much damage 2)Hyperspace a few SDs in front of the rebels? They had like 24/36 hours to figure something out. 3)Send out like a huge wing of tie figthers to disable engines or poo poo? Seriously lazy. Oh right, no support  4)Big door on salt hoth was like super thin. Didn't make any sense at all that whole battle. Why didn't they shoot another volley into the cave? Kylo clearly says they should kill everyone. Why not just shoot it from space?  5)Lolz at how powerful jumping to hyperspace is. Too bad they wasted all their support ships doing nothing instead of ramming them. Also lol at the medical frigate not evacuating until it was too late even though they knew they would run out of fuel.
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Tarantula posted:So I heard a good point someone brought up, the resistance ships slowed down when they ran out of fuel, why? Shouldn't they keep going the same speed if they are in space or am I misunderstanding how space and momentum work? You're not, but this is a Star Wars film so maybe don't think about it too much. Just pretend they're big boats.
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There’s like five people who Poe is able whine enough and star struck enough to convince to join him. Everyone else was fine taking orders from their boss you know like employees typically do.
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Shaocaholica posted:Sorry if this has been pointed out but: lolz no you're not.
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Waffles Inc. posted:What you wrote is “everyone is fine taking orders from her” in the same sentence as “Poe organizes a mutiny” Sorry I meant to type Poe is able to whine enough to get five others to agree with him. You’re pretty much arguing with the explicit text of the film. Poe is a hothead who thinks he knows better and he doesn’t.
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GoldfishStew posted:There’s like five people who Poe is able whine enough and star struck enough to convince to join him. Everyone else was fine taking orders from their boss you know like employees typically do. So we are now no longer at “everyone” but people he “whined” at? When are we shown he whined at people? What dialogue or visual supports that? What you’re writing is not truthful OP Edit: just press the question mark, this has been an ongoing discussion in this very thread
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The Knights of Ren are in the throne room. They have similar weapons and it’s implied. Do you all really need everything spelled out for you? Just because It’s a Disney movie are you all children?
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GoldfishStew posted:The Knights of Ren are in the throne room. They have similar weapons and it’s implied. Do you all really need everything spelled out for you? Just because It’s a Disney movie are you all children? Um, yeah... The Knights of Ren tried to kill Kylo Ren.
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The rest of the First Order is annexing the New Republic after destroying the Hosnian system, what 24-48 hours prior. They might not have the spare ships beyond what was there in Snoke's fleet. The New Republic might have been bloodying their nose.
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Waffles Inc. posted:So we are now no longer at “everyone” but people he “whined” at? When are we shown he whined at people? What dialogue or visual supports that? Because you are pedantic and hate Star Wars and also the text of films: Everyone but Poe and the ~5 people we see stand with him are fine taking orders. From their boss. Who was next in command after the blast. What is there to make you think she is not competent? The part where the person that introduces her says it could be no one but her? What makes Poe competent? The part where he does things his way, all the time, fucks up again and again, and gets reprimanded?
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Mr. Flunchy posted:And I don't want to just bang on about the red in the film, but man it was great red Yall should see a James Turrell installation.
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Velvet Elvis posted:Um, yeah... The Knights of Ren tried to kill Kylo Ren. So? We were never explicitly told in anyway shape or from that their loyalty was exclusively to Ben Solo in the first place.
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