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Lightning Knight posted:Well yeah, but I think that what we run on actually is important. I'm just saying, convincing people to vote for an open socialist backed by the DSA is an achievement on to itself, Trumplash or no Trumplash, and carefully documenting what he found successful and what he didn't would be a good thing to do to help other socialists run for office. Yeah, I agree. However, we won’t really know what works and what doesn’t until more DSA candidates run. After all, one of the truest things I ever learned on campaigns was that everything you do on a winning campaign is great, so that it’s fairly difficult to learn from them. True introspection comes with loss.
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Ytlaya posted:To be honest, Your Boy Fancy was actually probably correct about chalking up his (and other candidates') wins mostly to anti-Trump backlash. That's probably going to be the biggest motivating factor in the near future (basically as long as Trump is president). The poster in D&D who actually does poo poo is probably right you guys but let’s poo poo on him anyway and call him a naive young babby. I can tell, I am an expert in anime psychological profiling. Thank loving goodness for the YBFs of the world. Without them we would be in an Ed Gillespie/Roy Moore hellscape.
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Oh joy, you’re posting in the ‘normal’ threads again, how swell.
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Trabisnikof posted:The Democrats are pushing for massive electoral reforms. As far as the primaries, the unity commission is already committed to making the biggest reforms since the 70s. Including massively cutting the number of superdelegates, During Konst's 2-parter on Dore's show she pointed out how the reforms are far from a done deal: First, the proposals have to pass the Rules & Bylaws committee (one of the committees from which Perez stripped the lefties a few months ago); then it has to pass a delegates vote (the same delegates who were coerced into supporting Perez over Ellison last winter); and further, she said the delegate vote may or may not happen at the DNC's 2018 fall meeting with whatever reforms that are deigned to be passed by Rules & Bylaws. Inasmuch as that most of the reforms, if passed, wouldn't kick in till the 2020 presidential race I guess the timeline isn't that important but the fact that the stacked R&B deck has to OK the reforms before they get to a wider vote bodes ill. Plus a lot of the reforms like "get rid of caucuses" and "allow same-day party registration" are mere suggestions, because it's up to state legislatures and state parties to determine. Like, Iowa's never ever gonna get rid of caucuses bc of the money that flows into the state for being the first caucus of the primary season. (I'm pretty sure that's codified in the state constitution, just as NH has it written into its state constitution that it holds the first primary of the season). And iirc, the big hairball still left to deal with is the organization's financial reporting; Konst mentioned that even people on the DNC budget committee don't know which consultants are paid and how much money they get, which is pretty appalling. eta: Konst also mentioned that the big donors she's talked to are also pissed off about the lack of transparency in financial reporting, and that if pressure will come from anyone it's those donors.
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Office Pig posted:Oh joy, you’re posting in the ‘normal’ threads again, how swell. This feels like a thunderdome post something awful forums user Office Pig.
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yronic heroism posted:This feels like a thunderdome post something awful forums user Office Pig. yes, mayhaps you should take your shitposting to the thunderdome thread and get out.
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Koalas March posted:When injustice dies, I can finally rest. Not until the Ninja Turtle DLC comes out next month. Koalas March posted:
biracial bear for uncut posted:Take this guy and put some hell flames around him and you'll be good to go. Take all this, put it on Kendrick from the Humble video and off you go.
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C. Everett Koop posted:Not until the Ninja Turtle DLC comes out next month. Nah man, DNA.
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Koalas March posted:Nah man, DNA. The blacker the Berry is still my favorite Kendrick track, and I think it would fit that mean looking koala quite well.
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WampaLord posted:There was another event in 1984. We talked about this in USPOL, there's no evidence this happened again in 84 other than this Twitter post.
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Grapplejack posted:We talked about this in USPOL, there's no evidence this happened again in 84 other than this Twitter post. There’s now been four different articles posted, including one by a local mainstream paper.
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Ytlaya posted:This is kind of tangentially related, but the sort of attitude involved with asking a question like this is actually extremely classist, and I don't mean that ironically. It implies that only people who are very informed and involved politically deserve to have a political voice (which, coincidentally, would result in heavily disproportionately higher income people "deserving" to have political opinions). If Kilroy isn't lying he can drop >$200 a month on donations to political groups, so I don't think this argument works. Kilroy posted:At any rate I answered the question and Grapplejack had nothing to say about it, so whatever witty retort he was winding up must have fizzled. You dodged the question and I didn't feel like needling you about it.
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Lightning Knight posted:There’s now been four different articles posted, including one by a local mainstream paper. which one was the local mainstream paper?
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tekz posted:That was another incident. Trabisnikof posted:which one was the local mainstream paper? LA times.
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Lightning Knight posted:LA times. Oh I didn't see that second tweet, lol. Nice.
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Grapplejack posted:You dodged the question and I didn't feel like needling you about it.
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Grapplejack posted:Do your own representatives meet the standards you're setting for other states, is what I'm asking. Kilroy posted:If I lived in Alabama I'd pull the lever for Jones so hard I'd break the thing off, Potato Salad (Not to mention the bigger issue here, which is that "lesser of two evils" is supposed to be a one-off argument you occasionally make in defense of this or that politician, for the greater good. Not the linchpin of every single national or statewide Democratic campaign and a lot of the local ones too. Jesus Christ.) I'm in a safe blue district in a safe blue state. The stuff that's going to appear on my ballot probably isn't going to make it to the national news much less to this thread, but if you're under some apprehension that I'll change my tone if it does, I'm struggling to think of how you could come to that conclusion. I guess you don't like me, and you don't like people who hold their own reps to a different standard, and you therefore conclude I hold my reps to a different standard?
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Chilichimp posted:drat, the whole thing was apparently Feinsteins attempt to pander to Dixiecrats who were visiting around that time. Do not trust liberals, they will throw minorities under the bus when it suits them.
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I dunno, I just find it more interesting to look at what they're doing and what that might signify rather than talk about what we want them to do. There's no reason we can't have both in this forum, though, so I'll try being less combative. With Jones, his actions in this case point towards him either not believing that the blue wave will be in 2018 or be that big of a deal, or feeling like he wouldn't survive the 2018 general, so he's trying to triangulate a bit. I don't doubt that he's going to vote with the Dems unless they decide to burn a few hall passes, though. I'm really curious what the internal polling the Dems have looks like if Jones is trying to carve himself some wiggle room before even getting seated. In less surprising news https://twitter.com/thehill/status/942882681309880320 Stein is definitely going down regardless of anything else that happens in the Mueller investigation.
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Grapplejack posted:I dunno, I just find it more interesting to look at what they're doing and what that might signify rather than talk about what we want them to do. There's no reason we can't have both in this forum, though, so I'll try being less combative. With Jones, his actions in this case point towards him either not believing that the blue wave will be in 2018 or be that big of a deal, or feeling like he wouldn't survive the 2018 general, so he's trying to triangulate a bit. I don't doubt that he's going to vote with the Dems unless they decide to burn a few hall passes, though. I'm really curious what the internal polling the Dems have looks like if Jones is trying to carve himself some wiggle room before even getting seated. Jones isn't up til 2020.
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Koalas March posted:I always liked to think of myself as Black Girl Punisher but this awesome too. Oh man. If Marvel ever has the balls to kill Frank Castle for good, I hope they replace him with a black woman. So many right wing nutters heads would explode.
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DrNutt posted:Oh man. If Marvel ever has the balls to kill Frank Castle for good, I hope they replace him with a black woman. So many right wing nutters heads would explode. That would be dope as gently caress. 
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Lightning Knight posted:So this is the same article I posted referencing this event, or at least it's the same text, and these are the only two sources anywhere I can find referencing this. There's barely any references to the '64 incident but there's literally no other sources besides this one page blurb about this event. It isn't in her Wikipedia page either. If anyone still cares about this, I can explain what was going on. Outside of SF City Hall is a plaza, with something like 20 flagpoles. For decades, they had a bunch of flags from American history (not all flags of the USA proper). They included the Betsy Ross Flag, the Gadsden "divided rattlesnake" Flag, the original California Bear Flag, the Lone Star Flag of Texas, the "Don't Give Up the Ship" flag from the early American Navy, the New England Pine Tree Flag, and others. Yes, one of them was a Confederate Flag. If you visit SF now, the flags have all been replaced by American Flags, but there are plaques at the bottom that tell what each one of the flagpoles used to have. It was basically a flag history lesson, and nothing more. You can see from the picture that the flagpole is not on the front of City Hall, but out in the plaza. Sounds like someone climbed the flagpole and tore down the Confederate flag, and I suspect that a maintenance worker replaced it to keep the display complete. Dianne Feinstein should get the hell out of Congress, but the idea that "Dianne Feinstein is a confederate sympathizer who puts the Dixie Flag on SF City Hall" is utterly ridiculous, and so of course angry and gullible goons believe it even though they can find no support elsewhere on the internet.
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Koalas March posted:Nah man, DNA. Humble had the flaming heads unless I missed something from the DNA video.
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Chilichimp posted:drat, the whole thing was apparently Feinsteins attempt to pander to Dixiecrats who were visiting around that time. Wut? Where did you get that from?
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Koalas March posted:
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C. Everett Koop posted:Humble had the flaming heads unless I missed something from the DNA video. Fair enough. I was thinking of the lyrics.
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predicto posted:Dianne Feinstein should get the hell out of Congress, but the idea that "Dianne Feinstein is a confederate sympathizer who puts the Dixie Flag on SF City Hall" is utterly ridiculous, and so of course angry and gullible goons believe it even though they can find no support elsewhere on the internet. If she wasn't a terrible person, as soon as she was mayor I assume she'd have had the authority to throw that rag in the trash where it belongs and replace it with virtually any other flag. Picking which parts of our history to venerate is not apolitical. 'Not ultra-racist traitors' seems like a very low bar to clear.
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predicto posted:Wut? Where did you get that from? One of the like 3 articles
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Grapplejack posted:If Kilroy isn't lying he can drop >$200 a month on donations to political groups, so I don't think this argument works. I was talking more in generalities, not about Kilroy specifically. Like, I think the reasoning behind asking that question in the first place is kind of hosed up. Anyone living in this country should feel free to express their political views and not need to meet some arbitrarily level of qualification first. Related to this, but I've noticed a trend where people tend to conflate any strong criticism of Democrats with a choice to either not vote or desire the Republican to win. Not only does this not make sense, but it's kind of hosed up to attach a precondition to merely having an opinion like that (unless the opinion is specifically on the topic of voting strategy). Maybe some people making these criticisms didn't vote Democratic, but there's no logical reason to assume they didn't. And at the end of the day, I think that the people trying to shut down criticism are actually causing more harm than the criticism itself (which is obviously going to exist regardless). The most positive interpretation I can think of is that people are concerned that criticism will result in fewer people voting Democratic for whatever reason. But even if this were the case (which I doubt), trying to clamp down on the criticism obviously isn't going to actually be effective at stopping it. If anything it would just inflame divisions within the party more than just engaging directly with the criticism. DrNutt posted:Oh man. If Marvel ever has the balls to kill Frank Castle for good, I hope they replace him with a black woman. So many right wing nutters heads would explode. Hahahaha that would be so perfect on multiple levels.
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Breaking the GOP's stranglehold on rural and small-city whites even a little could open up paths to a lot of stealth victories next year, albeit with a lot of luck. I just hope we didn't lose too many to Fox News over the last eight years. Still a few grizzled old Dems in southern Indiana that didn't lose their poo poo over Obama singing Amazing Grace after Dylan Roof shot up a church. Our presumed candidate to take on that disingenuous Freedom Caucus gently caress Bucshon is William Tanoos, a social security disability lawyer who directed and starred in a film about a socialist labor leader who runs for governor against a corrupt prosecutor. Here's the trailer for his film, and all I can say is that I CAN'T wait to see next year's campaign. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_Wp35rNULk
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DrNutt posted:Oh man. If Marvel ever has the balls to kill Frank Castle for good, I hope they replace him with a black woman. So many right wing nutters heads would explode. Is that a referance to  ?
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They already did a woman Punisher too, in the Mangaverse. I think either something got lost in translation or just got weird given she used a whip. Don't get your hopes up either way; the pattern has been that minority replacements for popular characters are poorly written, rejected by the fans and eventually unceremoniously killed off or written out and never brought up again.
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Inescapable Duck posted:They already did a woman Punisher too, in the Mangaverse. I think either something got lost in translation or just got weird given she used a whip. Hispanic blue beetle is the first blue beetle anyone cared about (or black green lantern)
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Hispanic blue beetle is the first blue beetle anyone cared about (or black green lantern) + Miles Morales has a big fanbase, as does Ms Marvel
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Is that a referance to I have this arc somewhere in singles. The old warehouse manager at work used to buy lots of comics unseen looking for hidden gold and when there was none to be found, I'd wind up with things like this on my desk randomly. I think I also have the first few issues of the Luke Cage book that this arc was meant to launch, too.
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As for the Punisher, people always paint him as this good hearted vigilante when he's seriously just an amoral monster that justifies his bloodlust via whatever he defines as "crime" at the time. I like the Punisher but I really dislike how people keep trying to whitewash the fact that he's really just a lunatic. Writers gently caress this up constantly and I don't know how, he isn't that complicated as a character.Ytlaya posted:I was talking more in generalities, not about Kilroy specifically. Like, I think the reasoning behind asking that question in the first place is kind of hosed up. Anyone living in this country should feel free to express their political views and not need to meet some arbitrarily level of qualification first. Yeah, that's true.
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