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Basebf555 posted:Adam Driver is giving probably the best performance in any of the Star Wars films. The scene with Rey where he says "No no no you're still holding on!" is probably the best delivery of any line in the whole series. I'm imagining Hayden Christensen saying that line and it's giving me a sensible chuckle.
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trash person posted:I watched TFA last night and something that struck me as weird is how in TLJ Kylo is all, ‘kill the past’ but in TFA he’s literally praying to a Darth Vader helmet is it possible to admire and emulate something while still wanting to destroy it makes you think AndyElusive posted:I'm imagining Hayden Christensen saying that line and it's giving me a sensible chuckle. does hayden christiansen play kylo ren?
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Dec 19, 2017 19:58
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Linguica posted:Cute, but no. In TFA, the goal of the First Order is to destroy the Republic, because good is dumb. That's, like, their entire motivation. Hux's big motivational speech gives absolutely no coherent worldview besides "the Republic is bad and we're going to blow it up because we want to be in charge instead." There is absolutely no evidence that the First Order even functions as a government and has tax collectors and administrators and bureaucrats and a capital city and everything that any actual sovereign state has. I don't even know where to start so I beg out. You are right. I am wrong.
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Dec 19, 2017 20:00
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Also it's been driven into Kylo by multiple people that he'll never be as badass as Darth Vader. Rey tells him that, his dad basically refuses to see him as that, his adoptive father Supreme Reader Smoke tells him he's a lame copy of Vader at the start of TLJ. Of course by mid movie he's of the mind that the past should die. Waffles Inc. posted:does hayden christiansen play kylo ren? What? No I'm just saying that Adam Driver kills that line and I'm agreeing he's delivering some of the best readings in the saga while comparing him to the dry delivery of the lines Hayden Christensen had in the PT. Anyone else but Driver and the poo poo Kylo said would have sounded potentially awful. AndyElusive fucked around with this message at 20:03 on Dec 19, 2017 |
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Dec 19, 2017 20:00
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Basebf555 posted:Kylo is a student of history, and so he may not know precisely what he wants to do now that he's in control. But what he does know, is that the same cycle of corruption and death has been repeating itself for generations. He's saying lets burn it all down and we'll rebuild something from the ashes that isn't beholden to the rules that these puppets and supposed puppetmasters have been playing under all this time. You could almost say he's coming close to breaking the 4th wall, but again, he's established as having a strong interest in his families history, and the history of the Sith/Jedi in general. Maybe it could be argued that one of the great failures of Kylo Ren is that his entire worldview is so heavily framed by legacy, and that keeps him being able to fully realize the change he desires. His entire life has been predicated in history; on being a Skywalker, on being the Next Vader. In his greatest moment of strength, he rebels against those legacies and burns them down by literally burning down Snoke's throne room. But he can't escape that cage completely; despite his want for individuality, it's all he knows. So what's the first thing he does after killing Snoke? Turns around and tries to re-establish the Rule Of Two by getting Rey to join him. And he's rebuffed, by a person who is completely absent of the weight of legacy. A woman who doesn't even know that Luke freakin' Skywalker considers her to be the true Last Jedi.
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trash person posted:I watched TFA last night and something that struck me as weird is how in TLJ Kylo is all, ‘kill the past’ but in TFA he’s literally praying to a Darth Vader helmet He's pretty dogmatic at the beginning of TFA, he's going to avenge Darth Vader, take down the New Republic and make sure the Jedi can never return. Then Snoke forces him to kill his own father, and it does not "free him of this pain" the way he expects it to. He realizes Snoke is a liar, a manipulator, and just as much of the problem as the Jedi or Luke Skywalker. And then he's beaten in a lightsaber duel but some random nobody, so much for that Skywalker blood. He learns that the past is not nearly as important as he was led to believe it was.
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Dec 19, 2017 20:01
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Dec 19, 2017 20:05
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Did anyone get hung up on what Palpatine was actually doing as leader? Because outside of military actions, it sure as hell never shows it in the movies. Which is why it seems weird that people are asking what Kylo intends to do now that he's leader. And seriously, based on his past childish temper tantrums, I very much doubt he has any plans for his power beyond his personal vendettas. He wants power for it's own sake.
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Dec 19, 2017 20:10
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Why is Rey even concerned with finding the good in Kylo? She doesn't know him and isn't related to him. Luke didn't give a gently caress about turning Vader until he knew he was his dad. Everyone who knew Kylo Ren as Ben Solo will be dead at the start of the next movie, and I kinda hope they continue with jettisoning the OT tropes and not bother with trying to turn him good again.
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Dec 19, 2017 20:12
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Finally found it:
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Dec 19, 2017 20:18
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I bet Kylo (and Vader for that matter) gets super lonely. It's difficult to imagine them shooting the poo poo in the officer's bar and they're definitely not getting invited to the Troopers' off hour pazaak games. Who does he even socialise with?
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Just saw this finally and I think there may be some weaknesses in a strong central tight plot and some ambiguity in world-building but I caught Attack of the Clones on TV the other day on the treadmill and holy gently caress is that dogshit compared to TLJ, it was a stark contrast. I could listen to Adam Driver talk for hours. I still haven't processed or looked up what the reaction to Leia force space-bubbling herself is, what has the Star Wars Hivemind determined?
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Dec 19, 2017 20:20
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kiimo posted:I still haven't processed or looked up what the reaction to Leia force space-bubbling herself is, what has the Star Wars Hivemind determined? Some people are cool with it, others say that because we've only see her do telepathy stuff in the past this isn't a believable action. I'm cool with it and thought it looked dope, she's a Skywalker, not at all crazy to think she can do powerful stuff.
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Dec 19, 2017 20:22
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Filthy Casual posted:Finally found it: "How'd he die?" "Went to Mustaphar and put his face in a lava river 'just to check.'"
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Mr. Flunchy posted:I bet Kylo (and Vader for that matter) gets super lonely. It's difficult to imagine them shooting the poo poo in the officer's bar and they're definitely not getting invited to the Troopers' off hour pazaak games. Who does he even socialise with? 
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Dec 19, 2017 20:25
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perfect.
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Dec 19, 2017 20:27
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Given how gravity works with the Rebel bombers, it makes a lot of sense that Barf was weighed down by Vespa's luggage while carrying it up a ladder in space.
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Dec 19, 2017 20:32
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Hobo Clown posted:Why is Rey even concerned with finding the good in Kylo? She doesn't know him and isn't related to him. Luke didn't give a gently caress about turning Vader until he knew he was his dad. Everyone who knew Kylo Ren as Ben Solo will be dead at the start of the next movie, and I kinda hope they continue with jettisoning the OT tropes and not bother with trying to turn him good again. She was close with his dad and is close with his mom.
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Dec 19, 2017 20:34
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Barf being short for Bartholomew really missed the opportunity for a joke. It was obvious to this 10 year old that it should be short for Barfallonyou. I mean get real, Mel. Slippin.
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Dec 19, 2017 20:36
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AndyElusive posted:What? No I'm just saying that Adam Driver kills that line and I'm agreeing he's delivering some of the best readings in the saga while comparing him to the dry delivery of the lines Hayden Christensen had in the PT. Anyone else but Driver and the poo poo Kylo said would have sounded potentially awful. What I was getting at is that not only are Kylo and Anakin different characters but Hayden is incredibly effective and good, as is Adam Driver
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Dec 19, 2017 20:42
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NmareBfly posted:I like that even more than my excuse, which was just: if they had shields up a hyperdrive attack would be very harmless, but they were complacent about plinking the rebels for hours so took down shields to save on fuel. It could also be that shields didn't matter. A 500,000 to 600,000 ton object accelerated at the speed of light is about has about a hundredth the power of the Death Star superlaser. But I think stuff like planetary shields might be powerful enough to prevent such attacks, as well cost (hyperdrives are relatively expensive, one of the benefits the X-Wings and other Rebel fighter craft is they have hyperdrives, while the TIEs largely don't), smaller craft don't work as well against shields, plus actually hitting planets or other orbital objects might be hard to do. We also don't know how hyperdrives actually work: we know there's lightspeed component, but maybe reaching lightspeed is needed to enter faster than light hyperspace and Holdo didn't actually reach hyperspace but was still jumping to lightspeed when she hit the First Order fleet.
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Dec 19, 2017 20:53
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kiimo posted:Barf being short for Bartholomew really missed the opportunity for a joke. I thought that was actually what he said when I was 10.
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Young Freud posted:It could also be that shields didn't matter. A 500,000 to 600,000 ton object accelerated at the speed of light is about has about a hundredth the power of the Death Star superlaser. Main thing is that the question isn't 'why was that so effective' it's more 'why haven't people done that before'? The rebels lose a heavy cruiser in return for horrendously damaging the flagship, plus crumpling at least two destroyers essentially by accident. That's a drat good ratio. maybe not for the rebels who need every ship but why weren't sides doing this to each other back in the clone wars? If that's the math, it means every single time anyone throws fleets at each other in this universe, it's silly. Why have a capital ship brawl at all? They should just pick a capital, evacuate people or send it out empty, then ram a motherfucker. Now, we know that's not a viable tactic since we haven't seen it and have to assume the desperate, smart rebels would try this sort of thing if it were normally at all effective. So to make an excuse we have to work backwards -- this situation was different somehow, so it became viable. Illectro's technobabble is better. illectro posted:The in universe answer is obvious, the magic hyperdrive tracking macguffin gave them the ability to track the cruiser, but also gave the cruise that was being tracked the opportunity to hyperdrive into the ship. I mean I'm sure there's some in universe pseudoscience about tracking the ship by synchronizing hyperspace signatures creating a shared conduit between the two ships enabling the cruiser to perform this maneuver, whereas without this it would drop out of hyperdrive before impact. I accept this as my personal headcanon. The tactic only worked here because of the active tracking, and Holdo is an engineering genius for realising the implications of the technology.
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The hyperdrive scene doesn't bother me. I just think it should have been Leia. The whole shot out into space and mary poppins back in was to put her out of commission so a new character could be brought in to suicide out. That way they could get the scene with a Leia replacement. Carrie Fisher dying after filming then really screws that up. Leia going out like that would have been amazing and had the emotional weight that Holdo suicide didn't. Raccooon fucked around with this message at 21:16 on Dec 19, 2017 |
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I really liked Luke just messing with everyone and also Yoda messing with him. Just blows up the whole Jedi Tree to mug him off. Also that BB-8 is now Hackerman
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So leia is going to be in the next one then?
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kidkissinger posted:So leia is going to be in the next one then? No. I mean it could change, but as of now, no.
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kidkissinger posted:So leia is going to be in the next one then? Last I heard they said no to CGI Leia.
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Filthy Casual posted:Finally found it: The irony of this gif being Gareth Edwards is that guy next to him.
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Deadulus posted:The hyperdrive scene doesn't bother me. It's watered down too because they'd previously established that she was sacrificing herself anyway. If she could have otherwise gotten away then her deciding to kamikaze would seem a lot braver. As it is she was already a dead woman but still watched escape pods getting blown up for about ten minutes before deciding to help.
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The visual guide says that the bombs at the beginning are magnetic and that's why they're drawn to the dreadnaught.
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If you're insanely sperging out about the bombs in space, which you shouldn't, it's because the ships artificial gravity makes them fall out, at which point their momentum keeps them moving straight "down".
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Deadulus posted:Last I heard they said no to CGI Leia. Which I hope they stick to. I'll eat my hat if episode IX doesn't have a Leia funeral scene in the first half of the movie, if not at the very beginning.
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aware of dog posted:Which I hope they stick to. I'll eat my hat if episode IX doesn't have a Leia funeral scene in the first half of the movie, if not at the very beginning. They really have a bunch of reasons to do a time skip of at least a few years, I'll be shocked if they don't go that route. Open with Leia's funeral, problem solved. Using CGI to cover for an actor's recent death is pretty tasteless, The Fast and the Furious franchise seemed like they got away with it because they used Paul Walker's brother and they really went out of their way to put it out there that his family supported what they were doing. Once someone's been dead for decades it's a little more reasonable, like with CGI Cushing.
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Gonz posted:The visual guide says that the bombs at the beginning are magnetic and that's why they're drawn to the dreadnaught. They should be drawn to the spaceship they get dropped out of 
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Why do people take the best scenes and sperg out about them? The reason the hyperdrive scene works is because nobody has thought of doing it in a Star Wars movie before and it was loving awesome to behold. There had to be a first time after all. that said, Leia being the one to do it would have made me cry like a loving baby.
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kidkissinger posted:Can someone explain what the gently caress happened with Luke at the end. The first time Ren and Rey have their forcebook messenger chat, Ren goes, roughly, 'Are you projecting yourself here? That's not possible - the drain would kill you.' at the start of the conversation. Only noticed this on the second watch, but it was great. So much Adrian Edmondson too once I was watching for him - he really helped Hux shine as a loving idiot.
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aware of dog posted:Which I hope they stick to. I'll eat my hat if episode IX doesn't have a Leia funeral scene in the first half of the movie, if not at the very beginning. This is what bothered me the most about her Mary Poppins resurrection. It seemed like they were killing her off early like everyone expected, then you get those shots of her crystallizing with this sort of holy reverence, and you think it’s Disney saying farewell but nope, gotta drag this corpse along for another two hours.
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xiw posted:The first time Ren and Rey have their forcebook messenger chat, Ren goes, roughly, 'Are you projecting yourself here? That's not possible - the drain would kill you.' at the start of the conversation. Nice that it's there for those that get annoyed by those things, but it's completely unnecessary. Luke is exerting himself way beyond anything else we've seen a Jedi do, and then he fades away ala Obi Wan. I mean, to this day we still don't know what exactly "happened" to Obi Wan there, and we never will. He was absorbed into the Force somehow, that's all we need to know.
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Basebf555 posted:Nice that it's there for those that get annoyed by those things, but it's completely unnecessary. Luke is exerting himself way beyond anything else we've seen a Jedi do, and then he fades away ala Obi Wan. I mean, to this day we still don't know what exactly "happened" to Obi Wan there, and we never will. He was absorbed into the Force somehow, that's all we need to know.
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