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Dementropy posted:Post hoc rationalization I think it's really interesting how swiftly after the lawsuit the true believer narrative has shifted to "Star Citizen was super critical even if it doesn't ever release!" I mean I get that people don't want to feel like they wasted their money. But... they did. They wasted it. CIG threw it away in the stupidest way possible. The only way in which Star Citizen will be important is in establishing legal precedent preventing anyone from pulling the same kind of scam a second time. I guess... good job contributing your money toward that goal?
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hot balls man no homo posted:There was a sticked post in the SC sub that was that cartoon of Derek with *autistic screeching* over his head. That's how they view Derek and all the "haters". This isn't as knee-jerk as it sounds. The citizens probably really DID perceive Derek's words as INSERT AUTISTIC SCREECHING HERE. They don't process the content of the media they consume, they process the emotions it made them feel. No citizen can remember what Ben or Chris or Tony said in episode 172 of Reverse the Hearse two years ago. But they can remember a powerful, idolised man told them he would give them their dreams, and that's all that registered in their brains. Does something make them feel hyped and pumped for Star Citizen? It goes in the GOOD category, is welcomed into their worldview, and the theorycrafting begins about how awesome this will be. Does something make them feel nervous or anxious or attacked? Then it goes in the BAD category and cannot be allowed to be real, ever. To an extent this is the basis of all marketing, but a worldview this far gone is endemic to the kind of unsocialised, poorly-socially-developed, alienated person who is most vulnerable to cult recruitment. They don't have the self-worth that comes from a sense of their own accomplishments and an established place in a community to allow them to properly evaluate the marketing hype. They don't have other voices in their lives to provide something they can compare that hype to. Actually evaluating a statement means understanding it and sorting it into concepts the reader's mind can grasp, and that's scary when the statement includes criticism of the core of your self-identity. A cultist cannot do that. Their emotions are the only legitimate response to CIG marketing a cultist will accept. Announcing a new ship? That makes them feel psyched! It's gonna be great flying that with their friends and their orgs, and Chris said orgs will seek you out if you have one (the Pioneer). Calling out the hefty price tag of a new ship? That makes them feel attacked, stop making them feel bad about a thing they were feeling good about a moment ago. You must be a goon or an alt or a shill or another evil word, because you want to harm me by making me feel bad. The backers evaluate all criticism by the disappointment and defensiveness the cultists themselves feel when they hear it. Not what the actual critic said. You don't embrace Star Citizen with the same level of enthusiasm I do and that makes me sad. That hurts. Why did you hurt me? You must have wanted to hurt me. Your motive cannot have been critique or evaluation or even well-intentioned concern, it can ONLY be to hurt me. You must hate me. So you hate Star Citizen. You are coming for me and I must ATTACK, ATTACK, ATTACK to stop you hurting me again!. The rest is mob mentality and nerds being shitlords in predictable ways. We call Citizens "manchildren", this is how they behave like children. The content doesn't matter, only the way it makes them feel. Intent does not matter, if it hurts them to hear your words you must have meant to hurt them. You cannot be merely a critic or just curious about the project, you must be a hater who wants to harm them. This is why they're so strangely blasé about release dates and feature lists. All that matters is how awesome it will be when 3.0 is released. If not 3.0, 3.1. If not 3.1, 4.0. It's gonna feel so awesome. This is why critical bloggers and streamers must be attacked so viciously (setting aside considerations about grey market prices). Your words make me feel sad and that hurts so you must be deliberately attacking me. I will react as if you have directly assaulted me. This is why they cheered when Chris said he won't give release dates. Release dates are just words in the mouths of people who hurt us. If Chris does not make promises, the haters have less ammunition! This is why the hardcore cultists freeze and lock up when CIG fucks up the marketing, But but but CIG makes me feel GOOD and now I feel bad! Whyyyyyyyyyy...!. Ultimately this is why they're pathologically incapable of evaluating the Crytek lawsuit. The lawsuit manifests in their heads as nothing but giant documents reading WE ARE HERE TO TAKE YOUR DREAMS AWAY. YES YOURS, CITIZEN 415762, YOUR DREAMS PERSONALLY. NYAR HAR HAR WE'RE SO EVIL, SO VERY VERY EVIL. They don't see the words on the page. They don't respond to the points raised. They respond to their emotional reaction of knowing a lawsuit was filed. That reaction is a combination of nervousness and bravado, grasping at any passing piece of information that might provide a way back out of the scary introspection - "mighty CIG will crush all before it!" "ORTWIN WILL BRING THE FUREH!" "This is just a Crytek cash grab!" "Please please please can that be true I'm scared!" There's no point arguing with a Cultist over the substantive content of anything, lawsuit or critique or forum post, because the Citizens aren't reading the content. The content doesn't matter. The meaning doesn't matter. All that matters is that the lawsuit, the GOONS, the words of a critic or Chris's failure to play his own game or whatever it is...suddenly makes them feel anxious. So it must be rejected as hard and as thoroughly as possible to make the anxiety stop. EDIT: I've been linked to this post on reddit as a perfect example of my post in action. I wasn't expecting something quite so picture-perfect, but hey I'll take it. Loxbourne fucked around with this message at 22:52 on Dec 19, 2017 |
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Mirificus posted:https://twitter.com/SC_Logicorp/status/943120080392671233 https://twitter.com/TarkaRoshe/status/943186155943718913
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In what bizarro reality does PC gaming need saving? Where does this strange hatred of consoles come from? I much prefer PC gaming, but I've owned a few consoles as well, and I can't really see the conflict. There was a brief period where PC games, especially in the US, were close to disappearing from stores and malls. But that's like 10-20 years ago now, and was a short interlude. I played my first games on a ZX81, and it took a while for "IBM PCs" (ie x86) to even be relevant to gamers. Computer platforms evolve. I really don't understand this console hatred. I don't really like using Apple products, but I don't get mad at people who own an iPhone, and hope for some wonder product to show the true glory of some rival platform. Why are they fighting this imaginary war? What are they hoping will happen?
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https://twitter.com/TarkaRoshe/status/943195459761385473 I always forget how dumb some of these people are, it's amazing.
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PederP posted:In what bizarro reality does PC gaming need saving? Where does this strange hatred of consoles come from? I much prefer PC gaming, but I've owned a few consoles as well, and I can't really see the conflict. There was a brief period where PC games, especially in the US, were close to disappearing from stores and malls. But that's like 10-20 years ago now, and was a short interlude. everything else is downgraded trash and how dare the companies that produce games care about things like "sales" or "money" or "keeping a business running" its a total elitist attitude which I find hilarious because the next iteration of consoles are going to be insanely powerful as the price and size of components continues to drop you find these guys in every part of society and they are always saying the same fundamentalist poo poo
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PederP posted:In what bizarro reality does PC gaming need saving? Where does this strange hatred of consoles come from? I much prefer PC gaming, but I've owned a few consoles as well, and I can't really see the conflict. There was a brief period where PC games, especially in the US, were close to disappearing from stores and malls. But that's like 10-20 years ago now, and was a short interlude. PC gaming need to be saved from the PC police and the modern world, and go back to a time when everyone who gamed was just like CIG fans. I think this is actually what they believe. (ignore that PC gaming was never really just for pasty white boys)
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PederP posted:In what bizarro reality does PC gaming need saving? Where does this strange hatred of consoles come from? Nerd territoriality and a craving to feel persecuted. "Person X will save PC gaming" was, and still is, a marketable slogan for most of the current decade. We can expect to see more of it as the AAA industry stumbles over lootboxes.
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D_Smart posted:Crytek has employed a legendary Wall Street law firm to pursue damages against the developers of perpetually-delayed space-sim Star Citizen. breitbart you link breitbart without a disclaimer 
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PederP posted:In what bizarro reality does PC gaming need saving? Where does this strange hatred of consoles come from? I much prefer PC gaming, but I've owned a few consoles as well, and I can't really see the conflict. There was a brief period where PC games, especially in the US, were close to disappearing from stores and malls. But that's like 10-20 years ago now, and was a short interlude. It literally comes from this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhsgiliheP0 It's citizens not having a brain so they repeat parrot fashion what CIG tell them to. You have to appreciate that the last time a lot of these twats played a game it came on a floppy disc, so much like Chris they know gently caress all about modern gaming. Saying a PS4 Pro can't run a Cryengine game is laughable, the only saving grace is pretty soon it won't be a Cryengine game lol
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Bitcoin is a shorting vehicle. Don’t go there. Idiots are being lured in by the press. Mr.Tophat posted:breitbart Something something scorpion something.
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Mirificus posted:https://twitter.com/TarkaRoshe/status/943185395851976705  recursive.
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Mirificus posted:https://twitter.com/TarkaRoshe/status/943185395851976705 
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It's not stalking when I go into my neighbor's house while they're at work. We live right next to each other. P.S. I watch you while you sleep Jeff.
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peter gabriel posted:the only saving grace is pretty soon it won't be a Cryengine game lol I think that's likely actually. With Ortwin recused it will fall to Chris to represent CIG himself. And he's a genius, so the case is a foregone conclusion.
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lol I can't wait for 3.0 going live goontown gonna owntown https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qGyQdQKg6Q
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Hav posted:Something something scorpion something. I don't understand fable development, it's like, peter, please, for fucks sake, stop talking
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big nipples big life posted:I've always said the worst thing about pc gaming is pc gamers and they keep proving me right. Watching NMS refugees flood the SC reddit after they found out that the ride they bought tickets for wasn't really up to snuff was like watching people ditch the Carpathia to get in on this awesome Titanic thing that they'd been hearing so much about.
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Interesting points about the PC-Console schism. Thanks. Is this mostly an Anglo-Saxon thing, or is it just my luck that I've never seen this in Scandinavia? I guess we are mostly pasty white boys and girls anyway and the non-pasties who've settled recently certainly haven't brought along any inclination towards gaming on a single platform only. I've always experienced gamers being equally happy with PCs, consoles, mobile devices, etc. Mind you, people do have preferences and there's the odd fanboy/girl or hater, but nothing like the schism I've seen online occasionally. I guess Germans prefer PCs as that's easiest way to get lots of EURO JOB SIMULATOR variants for maximum efficiency entertainment, but I can't remember seeing anti-Console vitriol in Germany or from Germans. I know lots of grognards as well, and they're certainly mostly bitter, middle-aged white men (which given the demography of Scandinavia perhaps isn't a surprise), but not with any particular loathing of consoles, or even a longing for any old days. They just grump about, trying to hide their cheerfulness as they play niche games and have grognard conversations and/or round-robin monologes. Come to think of it, these are perhaps internet denizens mostly? Not actually part of any particular subculture or with fellow gamer friends? Interesting.
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PederP posted:Interesting points about the PC-Console schism. Thanks. Is this mostly an Anglo-Saxon thing, or is it just my luck that I've never seen this in Scandinavia? Don't read too much into it they are just idiots
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peter gabriel posted:Don't read too much into it they are just idiots  Eloquent wisdom putting my troubled soul at ease. Thanks.
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Also remember:CIG posted:Q: Do you think there’s a possibility that Star Citizen eventually shows up on consoles after all?
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Mirificus posted:https://twitter.com/TarkaRoshe/status/943185395851976705 It's a bot, not a person. No sentient AI has been developed yet.
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thatguy posted:Space Court. Fans will brag that CIG is going to deliver on 50% of that promise at least.
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Colostomy Bag posted:Apologies to Charlies Daniels: thatguy posted:Chris was in a bind 'cause he was way behind and he was willin' to make a deal. thatguy posted:The Devil opened up Notepad and he said, "I'll start this show." 
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TheAgent posted:yeah, I can't think of a worse thing than being remembered in the star citizen thread title You're a good person despite what r/ds thinks.
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Truga posted:This was me, but if I had known the full freelancer story back then I'd have only backed for the $30 entry price. I never really cared about what shop did what game, and had no idea who CR even was until a bunch of freelancer fans stirred up dust over some cool new project from the supposed makers of freelancer (which I liked and played a lot back in the day). I was the same way. I saw Privateer the MMO and had no idea about freelancer until the fans of that game began to show up in 2013. Sometime around 2013 or 2014 I found a copy of Freelancer at an estate sale for $1 and loaded it up to play it and went: "WTF is this poo poo". Then suddenly the whole mouse aim thing became apparent and there were two very different fan bases wanting to very different games delivered in terms of the feel of flight. Most of the original backers I felt were like myself and fans of the 90's era Wing Commander, Xwing Series, and Freespace games. Hence the Controller Katamari thread that went on for years until finally in summer of 2015 we asked for them to explain how the flight model was going to work...and they couldn't. They gave us a write up about different flight "modes", but not how the game was supposed to feel. Elite went with nerfed yaw to make it more like airplanes in space because they thought it was more fun. You can argue about not liking that control scheme, but you can't say that Frontier didn't nail what they were aiming for, but they knew what they were aiming for where as CIG never did. Last year I decided to wait and see if they delivered 3.0 by the end of Jan 2017. They didn't so I got a refund.
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thatguy posted:The Devil opened up Notepad and he said, "I'll start this show." I loving love this! 
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Daztek posted:Magnificence I'd forgotten Wesha's "certified millionaire" bullshit. I look forward to his discovery that his backer dollars paid for the Best drat Monaco Holiday Ever(TM).
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Loxbourne posted:This isn't as knee-jerk as it sounds. The citizens probably really DID perceive Derek's words as INSERT AUTISTIC SCREECHING HERE. They don't process the content of the media they consume, they process the emotions it made them feel. No citizen can remember what Ben or Chris or Tony said in episode 172 of Reverse the Hearse two years ago. But they can remember a powerful, idolised man told them he would give them their dreams, and that's all that registered in their brains. Does something make them feel hyped and pumped for Star Citizen? It goes in the GOOD category, is welcomed into their worldview, and the theorycrafting begins about how awesome this will be. Does something make them feel nervous or anxious or attacked? Then it goes in the BAD category and cannot be allowed to be real, ever.  Get a refund, citizens, and reclaim your humanity.
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Most people, even losers, maintain reasons for their feelings. Citizens seem to exclusively maintain feelings for their reasons. By default we all understand the idiot language, though we commonly use our national languages. There are some that have abandoned the meanings associated with the spoken languages and elect to only communicate in idiot. When engaging these people it is important to remember that they only speak idiot, the anticipated conversation will be in idiot, and engagement with hopes of victory can only be entertained by an idiot.
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PederP posted:In what bizarro reality does PC gaming need saving? Where does this strange hatred of consoles come from? I much prefer PC gaming, but I've owned a few consoles as well, and I can't really see the conflict. There was a brief period where PC games, especially in the US, were close to disappearing from stores and malls. But that's like 10-20 years ago now, and was a short interlude. this has been true since star citizen began, but it's really notable in this glorious year 2017, which has been a tremendous year for videogames on all platforms. to tie it back into Loxbourne's excellent post about how the vocal citizens are governed by feelings - i think it's to do with growing up. videogames rarely exert such a strong magical pull on you as you get older, because, well, you're not as easily tricked into that experience again. deep down you know it's all microchips and processors and code. incidentally, this year has been the first year that a game (zelda breath of the wild) has actually tricked me into feeling some of that old magic again. anyways, they're not really interested in videogames; they're interested in reliving the feeling they associated with the videogame as a kid.
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TheAgent posted:for most of these backers, pc gaming equals a $5,000 PC and the select few games meant to take advantage of nerds with too much money It is nice to see games push equipment to the fullest potential which doesnt happen as much as it use to. I remember a time when new games came out you had to upgrade your gpu/graphics card to play. Now that isnt required - maybe somewhat for VR if you are still on a 970 but even then it still does the job.
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