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Tatsuta Age posted:Fooled how Thinking they aren't just as big of pieces of poo poo as the ones that voted for it and not be as worked up to vote them out.
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CPColin posted:Weekly reminder that the Spoiler Effect can be eliminated by moving to a voting system that doesn't have it and that anger at spoiler candidates would be better directed at bad voting systems. While it's true that we could solve the problem with a better voting system, spoiler candidates must make decisions based on the laws as they exist, in which the only way they can influence the election is by delivering victory to the opposing candidate and deserved to be held accountable accordingly.
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CPColin posted:Weekly reminder that the Spoiler Effect can be eliminated by moving to a voting system that doesn't have it and that anger at spoiler candidates would be better directed at bad voting systems. Yeah, there's lot of things we can do to get rid of stupid plurality wins.
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Did anything happen with McCabe today? Wasn’t gowdy flailing about him?
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pumpinglemma posted:Wait, if the tax bill is going to eat Wednesday as well, does that mean they're only going to have two days to avoid a shutdown over Christmas? They can work through recesses if they decide they want to, I'm pretty sure.
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CPColin posted:Weekly reminder that the Spoiler Effect can be eliminated by moving to a voting system that doesn't have it and that anger at spoiler candidates would be better directed at bad voting systems. Counterpoint: In the voting system that exists there is a spoiler effect and every candidate that runs is aware it exists. Spoilers deserve all the hate they get.
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I've had an idea for a law to reduce the obvious bribery of Congresspeople that's been floating around in my head a while but I've always thought it must be dumb since I've never heard anyone else propose something like this Basically, a member of Congress, in order to be seated, has to divest themselves of all businesses and investments they own, with the exception of retirement accounts. After someone leaves Congress, they receive a pension equal to, say, 70% of the current congressional salary for as long as they live, but they're no longer allowed to work anywhere except nonprofits or academia. This would eliminate the kind of super obvious bribery like with Corker and significantly cut back on wingnut welfare for Congresspeople.
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Gyges posted:I think Collins actually only cares about still being the "good" Republican in the media and zeitgeist. It's not about Maine giving a poo poo, it's about no longer being fawned over. She must realize that that's gone forever if she votes for the tax bill though.
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CPColin posted:Weekly reminder that the Spoiler Effect can be eliminated by moving to a voting system that doesn't have it and that anger at spoiler candidates would be better directed at bad voting systems. no, anger at spoiler candidates should absolutely be directed at them to keep them from flipping races to republicans until the voting system is changed. idiot spoiler candidates should put their effort into the voting system changes instead of vanity runs to aid republicans.
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Dec 19, 2017 23:34
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Lycus posted:McCain dying would be bad. Arizona's psycho governor would promptly replace him with another psycho. It would actually be very very good because it puts that seat up for reelection next fall. Which means that the chances for Dems retaking the Senate goes from possible to outright likely.
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Lycus posted:McCain dying would be bad. Arizona's psycho governor would promptly replace him with another psycho. who would serve less than a year until the special election is held in 2018.
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Dec 19, 2017 23:38
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Pakled posted:I've had an idea for a law to reduce the obvious bribery of Congresspeople that's been floating around in my head a while but I've always thought it must be dumb since I've never heard anyone else propose something like this Great, you're eliminating a lot of the most driven, ambitious, intelligent people from the pool of possible congresspeople, and heavily skewing it so that older people will be even more likely to run for office versus younger people. It would also make people leery to be candidates in possible wave elections, since they probably wouldn't hold the seat for consecutive elections and, welp, good luck having a normal career after that! There's no way that could ever backfire, I'm sure.
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botany posted:very likely. if the tax bill actually goes into effect, it's going to seriously depress aggregate demand for large sections of the economy. that means lay-offs, unemployment and underutilization, which in turn depresses aggregate demand even more. it's very easy for this to lead into a recession.
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too easy https://twitter.com/dril/status/134787490526658561?lang=en
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mcmagic posted:Meh, We want as many seats on the ballot in 2018 as possible. Well yea, but in the meantime Convalescent McCain is Best McCain
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TheScott2K posted:Well yea, but in the meantime Convalescent McCain is Best McCain He's supporting this vile class warfare tax bill. gently caress him. There is no best McCain.
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Dec 19, 2017 23:41
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CPColin posted:Weekly reminder that the Spoiler Effect can be eliminated by moving to a voting system that doesn't have it and that anger at spoiler candidates would be better directed at bad voting systems. You can't elect candidates to change the voting system while there are spoilers running
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Dec 19, 2017 23:42
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mcmagic posted:He's supporting this vile class warfare tax bill. gently caress him. There is no best McCain. well technically, he's not he just would if his vote was needed but he's not gonna bother if its not
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Has anyone pointed out to her that she has, in fact, very obviously gotten nothing and gotten duped? Maybe someone should tell her that she got duped, she doesn't seem to realize it.
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evilweasel posted:well technically, he's not He's come out in support of the bill.
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Pakled posted:I've had an idea for a law to reduce the obvious bribery of Congresspeople that's been floating around in my head a while but I've always thought it must be dumb since I've never heard anyone else propose something like this Non-profits are already a big place where politicians go to get their cushy payoff job. Academics too. And I don't think we want a world where academics and non-profits are banned from lobbying either. I don't think we can solve this problem through criminalization. We need to solve this problem socially and culturally. This kind of corruption is acceptable to most Americans and that's the source of the issue.
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mcmagic posted:He's supporting this vile class warfare tax bill. gently caress him. There is no best McCain. there was a perfect tweet for this, it said like "There is a part of John McCain I love and admire, unfortunately they're trying to kill it with radiation"
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:It would actually be very very good because it puts that seat up for reelection next fall. Which means that the chances for Dems retaking the Senate goes from possible to outright likely. nah best it's ever going to get is like, 50-50 people always forget the six or so democratic senators who have no business whatsoever being an elected national democrat from their state up for re-election, and keeping all of those is hard
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haven't seen these posted yet but uhhh lmao https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/943246409251291139 https://twitter.com/pdmcleod/status/943241140656107520
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empty whippet box posted:Has anyone pointed out to her that she has, in fact, very obviously gotten nothing and gotten duped? Maybe someone should tell her that she got duped, she doesn't seem to realize it. She's obviously not being duped. She's complicit. What she asked for was cover, nothing more.
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mcmagic posted:He's come out in support of the bill. yeah but he's not going to vote on it, because he's in arizona getting medical treatment
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Pakled posted:I've had an idea for a law to reduce the obvious bribery of Congresspeople that's been floating around in my head a while but I've always thought it must be dumb since I've never heard anyone else propose something like this Serve 2 years as a rep, make $121k for life, get a job at a totally real and not fake nonprofit think tank
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:It would actually be very very good because it puts that seat up for reelection next fall. Which means that the chances for Dems retaking the Senate goes from possible to outright likely. That can happen later next year though.
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Gyges posted:I think Collins actually only cares about still being the "good" Republican in the media and zeitgeist. It's not about Maine giving a poo poo, it's about no longer being fawned over. She wouldn't be courting hall passes - and therefore increasing the leverage of everyone else looking for one - unless she was scared of something.
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Republicans can burn in Hell for all I care. Blatantly lying to the American people. Wife and I can’t wait for the beginning of the year to file our paperwork for the primaries. 
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Al Borland Corp. posted:You can't elect candidates to change the voting system while there are spoilers running You can't convince people to be mad enough at the voting system to elect candidates who will change it when you're busy being pointlessly mad at the spoilers. Be mad at the spoilers, if you want to be, but if you're not also going to be mad at the voting system, the anger's wasted. Now if there's a third-party candidate who is advocating against revising the voting system, gently caress 'em.
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Xae posted:It happens pretty regularly in small elections. Just like "Dems are too far right and don't do anything." Lycus posted:McCain dying would be bad. Arizona's psycho governor would promptly replace him with another psycho. Yeah, but it would mean another senate seat available for pickup in Arizona in an unprecedented blue wave. CPColin posted:Weekly reminder that the Spoiler Effect can be eliminated by moving to a voting system that doesn't have it and that anger at spoiler candidates would be better directed at bad voting systems. Weekly reminder that this is an incredibly dumb take and on par with claiming that all our anger at arsonists should really be directed towards our flammable buildings and people.
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evilweasel posted:nah best it's ever going to get is like, 50-50 Dems need to pick up 2 seats. If McCain dies that makes 2 seats in Arizona up for grabs. Combine that with Nevada and that's 3 very obtainable seats in a normal year let alone during a wave. Then you have Tennessee and the possibility of even Cruz getting popped in Texas if the wave is large enough.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Dems need to pick up 2 seats. If McCain dies that makes 2 seats in Arizona up for grabs. Combine that with Nevada and that's 3 very obtainable seats in a normal year let alone during a wave. Then you have Tennessee and the possibility of even Cruz getting popped in Texas if the wave is large enough. You're being very optimistic to put Arizona in the "very obtainable" category.
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