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   We drive off a sub. It's nice when this happens.  Phew! We're into another sub phase it seems!   Pretty much nothing happened in the air today – time to keep on rebuilding those pools !  Flow my pretties!
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Dec 19, 2017 05:26
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  Dammit. There is another bloody carrier buggering around. Lets hope they are not about to make a run on Singapore!   My destroyers deliver the 56th Infantry brigade to Jaluit today, and the tide turns back in favour of Japan! I'm going to hit them like this for a few days while they unpack properly, then begin the attacks! There are marines that need a-killin'!  A good day if only because I landed fresh troops into the only active warzone outside of China. 
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Dec 19, 2017 05:26
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What sort of special forces/elite units did Japan have during the war for ground combat? Anyone that might be useful for the island campaigns? Did they have any kind of specialized amphibious troops?
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Dec 19, 2017 06:56
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Night10194 posted:What sort of special forces/elite units did Japan have during the war for ground combat? Anyone that might be useful for the island campaigns? Did they have any kind of specialized amphibious troops? The Special Naval Landing Forces are the famous ones I've heard of.
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Dec 19, 2017 09:45
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Night10194 posted:What sort of special forces/elite units did Japan have during the war for ground combat? Anyone that might be useful for the island campaigns? Did they have any kind of specialized amphibious troops? The SNLF and the Teishin Shudan were the cream of the crop. The paratroopers didn't have too many opportunities to be used in air drops, however.
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Dec 19, 2017 12:19
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18 December 1943 Hazards of the job: British minesweeper Felixstowe strikes a mine off Sardinia. No casualties.
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Dec 19, 2017 17:53
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I was a bit surprised to find out that one of my grade school teachers writes books about the Pacific, including One Square Mile of Hell: The Battle of Tarawa. It sounds like the SNLF had their pick of the best physical specimens, because the Marines frequently encountered 6' Japanese defenders at Tarawa.
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Dec 19, 2017 21:08
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Lakedaimon posted:I was a bit surprised to find out that one of my grade school teachers writes books about the Pacific, including One Square Mile of Hell: The Battle of Tarawa. It sounds like the SNLF had their pick of the best physical specimens, because the Marines frequently encountered 6' Japanese defenders at Tarawa.
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Dec 19, 2017 21:37
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Is a six-foot soldier even desirable? I'd have thought having less to shoot at, being able to cram into smaller foxholes, being easier to drag off the field, eating less and so forth would have been more useful characteristics as a soldier than "Can lift heavier weights more easily".
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Dec 19, 2017 23:38
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Gort posted:Is a six-foot soldier even desirable? I'd have thought having less to shoot at, being able to cram into smaller foxholes, being easier to drag off the field, eating less and so forth would have been more useful characteristics as a soldier than "Can lift heavier weights more easily". If you're going to do a banzai charge and try and physically overpower the enemy so you can stab them to death, an army of short weaklings may not be your ideal soldier type.
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Dec 19, 2017 23:42
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Gort posted:Is a six-foot soldier even desirable? I'd have thought having less to shoot at, being able to cram into smaller foxholes, being easier to drag off the field, eating less and so forth would have been more useful characteristics as a soldier than "Can lift heavier weights more easily". Someone in the squad has to carry the heaviest poo poo like the machine gun or the radio or whatever, and that guy is gonna hold up the whole squad if he's too slow. Also in general across a large chunk of people in the 1940s, the smaller men are the ones who had worse nutrition growing up than the larger men. I think you generally plan your military composition based on winning, rather than who will be the easiest to deal with as a casualty. And I don't think four or six inches of height is going to make that big of a difference re: foxholes etc, especially since the strong guy can help dig the foxhole faster/deeper.
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Dec 19, 2017 23:45
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Gort posted:Is a six-foot soldier even desirable? I'd have thought having less to shoot at, being able to cram into smaller foxholes, being easier to drag off the field, eating less and so forth would have been more useful characteristics as a soldier than "Can lift heavier weights more easily". Other than waiting, soldiers mostly spend time marching with heavy loads, lift stuff, dig holes and so on. The actual Getting Shot At part is or at least used to be like 2% of a soldiers time in the war. I also imagine being able to haul more mortar shells and machine gun belts to a fight offsets the increased target they present.
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Then again, Simo Hahya was 5'3", so I'm pretty sure context matters. In his case I'm sure being a tiny Finnish sprite probably helped him avoid getting hit. Also if you select for something like height, you forgo or make more difficult the opportunity to select for other measurable traits like intelligence, accuracy, or bravery. E: this got me reading about Audie Murphy and holy jesus he's the IRL avatar of the godlike CoD teenager. Imagine a 5'4" 20 year old doing this quote:Two Germans exited a house about 100 yards (91 m) away and appeared to surrender; when Murphy's best friend responded, they shot and killed him. Murphy advanced alone on the house under direct fire. He killed six, wounded two and took 11 prisoner.[53]  THIS DUDE DID THAT This is just one of six or seven such incidents PRIOR to him holding off an entire company from the back of a burning tank. So in conclusion, if I'm looking for frontline infantry, I'll take the tiny bloodthirsy orphans over the big guys any day. S w a y z e fucked around with this message at 00:17 on Dec 20, 2017 |
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Dec 20, 2017 00:00
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I'm bad at editing my posts and got a little excited there
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Dec 20, 2017 00:16
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Iirc he also starred in movies about himself wherein his feats were made less ridiculous so audiences wouldn't call bullshit.
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Dec 20, 2017 00:16
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3 DONG HORSE posted:Iirc he also starred in movies about himself wherein his feats were made less ridiculous so audiences wouldn't call bullshit. Yup
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Dec 20, 2017 01:01
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Gort posted:Is a six-foot soldier even desirable? I'd have thought having less to shoot at, being able to cram into smaller foxholes, being easier to drag off the field, eating less and so forth would have been more useful characteristics as a soldier than "Can lift heavier weights more easily". There was once a Prussian regiment of dudes who were all over 6'2", mostly because the king thought they were kickin' rad. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potsdam_Giants
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Dec 20, 2017 01:40
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Leperflesh posted:Also in general across a large chunk of people in the 1940s, the smaller men are the ones who had worse nutrition growing up than the larger men. Feeding the young men of the nation and giving them physical exercise and pseudo military discipline was one of the intentions of new deal programs like the CCC and the WPA. 
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Dec 20, 2017 02:29
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My buddies started playing World of Warships, and thanks to this thread I was able to give them historical context on a lot of the boats. Also to warn them away from Regia Marina ships. Thanks, thread!
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PittTheElder posted:There was once a Prussian regiment of dudes who were all over 6'2", mostly because the king thought they were kickin' rad. quote:The king trained and drilled his own regiment every day. He liked to paint their portraits from memory. He tried to show them to foreign visitors and dignitaries to impress them. At times he would try to cheer himself up by ordering them to march before him, even if he was in his sickbed. This procession, which included the entire regiment, was led by their mascot, a bear. He once confided to the French ambassador that "The most beautiful girl or woman in the world would be a matter of indifference to me, but tall soldiers—they are my weakness" This, combined with the fact that they never saw action, rules Actually the more I think about this the more I begin to doubt the king's original motive for assembling this regiment Actually holy poo poo I'm reading and this dude was so into big men he would accept them as gifts from other nations, what can you say, dude loved his bears. Actually aside from Alexander this is probably the biggest gay success story I've ever read S w a y z e fucked around with this message at 04:48 on Dec 20, 2017 |
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Dec 20, 2017 04:41
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dylguy90 posted:Then again, Simo Hahya was 5'3", so I'm pretty sure context matters. In his case I'm sure being a tiny Finnish sprite probably helped him avoid getting hit. Also if you select for something like height, you forgo or make more difficult the opportunity to select for other measurable traits like intelligence, accuracy, or bravery. Post-war, Murphy was essential in helping to remove the stigma for vets dealing with PTSD and seeking psychological help: "Murphy suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) after his return from the war. He was plagued by insomnia, bouts of depression, and nightmares related to his numerous battles. His first wife, Wanda Hendrix, often talked of his struggle with this condition, even claiming that he had at one time held her at gunpoint. For a time during the mid-1960s, he became dependent on doctor-prescribed sleeping pills called Placidyl. When he recognized that he had become addicted to the drug, he locked himself in a motel room where he took himself off the pills, going through withdrawal for a week. Always an advocate of the needs of America's military veterans, Murphy eventually broke the taboo about publicly discussing war-related mental conditions. In an effort to draw attention to the problems of returning Korean and Vietnam War veterans, Murphy spoke out candidly about his own problems with PTSD, known then and during World War II as "battle fatigue" and also commonly known as "shell shock." He called on the United States government to give increased consideration and study to the emotional impact that combat experiences have on veterans, and to extend health care benefits to address PTSD and other mental-health problems suffered by returning war veterans." He also became a famous Hollywood personality for playing himself in war movies based on his wartime experiences.
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Audie Murphy is absolute proof that you can be the bravest badass in the world and still suffer serious mental trauma. He deserves just as much acclaim for being brave enough to be open about needing help as anything else he did.
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Dec 20, 2017 05:03
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Still have to be at least 5’10 to be one of these dudes. 
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I'm a moron
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Dec 20, 2017 05:15
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Groundhog Day!
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Dec 20, 2017 05:21
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Groundhog day comes late this year.
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Dec 20, 2017 05:21
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The next 6 months are going to be nuts
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mercenarynuker posted:My buddies started playing World of Warships, and thanks to this thread I was able to give them historical context on a lot of the boats. Also to warn them away from Regia Marina ships. Thanks, thread! Italian ship designs aren't that bad. They're all very short-ranged, but that follows from Italy's geostrategic position in the Mediterranean. Italy did suffer structural weakness issues in destroyer designs, but that's also true of France, Germany, and Japan at the least. Destroyers show structural weakness more readily than most ships because their small draft and low freeboard (discounting forecastle if any, because the break of the forecastle is a stress concentration) mean the hull girder can't be very deep. Imagine two pieces of corrugated cardboard, one one millimeter thick and one ten millimeters thick. Which will support more weight hanging from its center before collapsing? Naval architects in the aforementioned countries had to accept higher stresses than their British and American counterparts because they demanded extremes of performance (e.g., France and Italy competing for speed, Japan's philosophy of quality over quantity); at the same time, they generally had less practical experience with ship design because their navies could not pay for as many ships as the RN or USN. It was Italy's naval high command that really sucked. Night10194 posted:Audie Murphy is absolute proof that you can be the bravest badass in the world and still suffer serious mental trauma. He deserves just as much acclaim for being brave enough to be open about needing help as anything else he did. More, even. I'm sure his advocacy for PTSD research and treatment has saved far more lives than any of his battle exploits. Oh, hey, the turn posted while I was writing this, even if it's not the right one yet... 19 December 1943 American torpedoes have begun to work: USS Grayback sinks the Japanese destroyer Numakaze 50 miles ENE of Okinawa.
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Jobbo_Fett posted:Groundhog Day! *I got you babe* starts playing
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What doesn't Grey want us to see? KB got jumped by a fleet of fast battleships?
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dylguy90 posted:Then again, Simo Hahya was 5'3", so I'm pretty sure context matters. In his case I'm sure being a tiny Finnish sprite probably helped him avoid getting hit. Sure didn’t help him avoid a bullet to the face, though.
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mercenarynuker posted:My buddies started playing World of Warships, and thanks to this thread I was able to give them historical context on a lot of the boats. Also to warn them away from Regia Marina ships. Thanks, thread! WoWS boats are only loosely based on their historical counterparts, and WoWS game mechanics are only loosely based on how naval combat works in real life. Tell your friends to stay away from aircraft carriers.
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alex314 posted:What doesn't Grey want us to see? KB got jumped by a fleet of fast battleships? we're going to get the same day's post over and over again for about six months, and then Grey catches us up with the Allies up about 2000 points for some reason
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Re; soldier height chat, I'm fairly sure short soldiers were preferable in certain tank and aircraft units (depending on the vehicle) where space was an issue.
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Dec 20, 2017 14:11
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OpenlyEvilJello posted:More, even. I'm sure his advocacy for PTSD research and treatment has saved far more lives than any of his battle exploits. Yeah. One thing that often gets missed in today's culture is that PTSD required significant political and social cache to get recognized. Keep in mind we're talking the immediate aftermath of the Vietnam war and still in an era where a lot of men are growing up in the manly man don't-talk-about-your-feelings mode of thinking. Before PTSD was conceptualized this was seen as an embarrassing weakness to hide rather than a problem to diagnose and treat. The other side of the coin is Psychology in this era is slowly climbing out of the depths of radical behaviorism and the proponents of that camp, still a force in the discipline, are also essentially aping "real men don't talk about feelings" as a valid model of understanding humanity. If there hadn't been people advocating hard for PTSD's recognition, it probably wouldn't have happened at all.
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ModernMajorGeneral posted:Re; soldier height chat, I'm fairly sure short soldiers were preferable in certain tank and aircraft units (depending on the vehicle) where space was an issue. I did watch a documentary that noted 90s Russian soldiers were on the whole getting too tall for their 70s tanks
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Conskill posted:Yeah. In WW2, British bomber crewmen and officers who suffered what we now call PTSD were getting dishonourably discharged with their papers stamped LMF in big red letters Meaning "Lack of Moral Fibre" E: correction from wiki, it was somehow even worse: quote:A man classified in categories (i) or (ii) would lose his flying badge, "to prevent his getting a lucrative job as a pilot in civil life".[11][12] The service records of those classified LMF were stamped with large red "W" (for "waverer").[11] Officers would lose their commissions and be refused ground jobs in the RAF, while NCOs would be reduced to aircraftman second class and assigned menial tasks, such as latrine duty, for at least three months.[12] From 1944, men released as LMF could be called for the coal mines or drafted into the army.[11] Class (i) was "medically fit", class (ii) was "medically unfit on nervous grounds", but even class (ii) didn't exist as a separate category until 1941. You'd just be called medically fit and malingerant simplefish fucked around with this message at 16:15 on Dec 20, 2017 |
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dylguy90 posted:This, combined with the fact that they never saw action, rules Interestingly, his son (Frederick II “the Great”) was abused mercilessly by Frederick William for his affections to another man, whom the elder Prussian monarch had decapitated. (This was in contrast to one of Frederick II’s earlier paramours, who was merely sent into exile in an unpopular regiment.) Frederick William also had fourteen children with his wife, a distinct increase from Frederick II’s zero. I can only assume that the Soldier-King’s relationship with his sexuality was complicated. Night10194 posted:Audie Murphy is absolute proof that you can be the bravest badass in the world and still suffer serious mental trauma. He deserves just as much acclaim for being brave enough to be open about needing help as anything else he did. What a badass. David Corbett fucked around with this message at 16:57 on Dec 20, 2017 |
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