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The best way to use a boat is to anchor or tie up somewhere tropical, indefinitely.
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M_Gargantua posted:The best way to use a boat is to anchor or tie up somewhere tropical, indefinitely. RUSSIAN SPOTTED Also make sure you do so in hurricane season
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Slavic Crime Yacht posted:RUSSIAN SPOTTED The best place for a ship in a storm is at a pier. With me ashore.
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lightpole posted:The best place for a ship in a storm is at a pier. With me ashore. watching the yachts at the SYC burn during hurricane Katrina gave me a chuckle or two
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Dec 18, 2017 09:31
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I wish to have no connection to a ship that does not make port visits often, for I do not intend to wake up sober.
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Dec 18, 2017 17:14
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WELL HAVE I GOT THE JOB FOR YOU
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Slavic Crime Yacht posted:That's a true story man I know a guy who knows a guy that was on the lighthouse Battleship HMS Montagu posted:At 0200 hours on 30 May 1906 during radio communication trials carried out in thick fog, Montagu was steaming at high speed in the Bristol Channel when she ran into Shutter Rock on the southwest corner of Lundy Island. The force of impact was so great that her foremast was raked forward. The ship settled hard aground, with many holes in her hull, the worst of which was a 91-foot-long (28-meter-long) gash in her starboard side.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Obviously the solution to the collision problem is an all-battleship Navy 
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Bremerton shipyards. I'm a few feet from the dry dock. Some crazy damage was repaired here from ww2.
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Dec 18, 2017 21:32
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I mean gently caress, that picture. Where do you even start with repairs
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Nostalgia4Dogges posted:I mean gently caress, that picture. Where do you even start with repairs Cut off the front and slap on a new one?
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McNally posted:Cut off the front and slap on a new one? Basically.
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Dec 18, 2017 23:34
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Wasn't there an unfinished bow from a cancelled ship that just happened to be sitting around?
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McNally posted:Cut off the front and slap on a new one? You joke, but that's not that far off.
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Dec 19, 2017 00:02
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USS SanFranLulu
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Where might I find more battle damage pictures like that? Are there pictures of the repairs as well? That sort of thing is fascinating
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Terrible Robot posted:Where might I find more battle damage pictures like that? Are there pictures of the repairs as well? That sort of thing is fascinating Well dont have a depository of before and after images but this a good read on the one ships battle damage and repairs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_St._Louis_(CL-49) http://web.kitsapsun.com/archive/2002/12-08/19459_repairing_america.html Interesting link. Crab Dad fucked around with this message at 01:31 on Dec 19, 2017 |
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LingcodKilla posted:Wasn't there an unfinished bow from a cancelled ship that just happened to be sitting around? They welded a temporary one on at Pearl and then fixed her for real when she made it back to Bremerton. USS Washington also managed to get within 5 miles of a Japanese BB before being noticed (night action + the Japanese ship was focused on trying to kill the USS South Dakota) and blew the poo poo out of her. Terrible Robot posted:Where might I find more battle damage pictures like that? Are there pictures of the repairs as well? That sort of thing is fascinating More here: https://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/OnlineLibrary/photos/events/wwii-pac/marshals/wash-ind.htm Phanatic fucked around with this message at 01:34 on Dec 19, 2017 |
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Wouldn't there be a shitload of compaction damage all throughout the ships piping / ducting? Seems like taking all of that apart and putting it all back together would cost more than the ship is worth nowadays. Actually now that I think about it this happened before the navy fully sucked all the fun out of being a sailor. That thing probably barely had electrical systems aside from lighting and announcing that ran through the entire ship
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Kawasaki Nun posted:Wouldn't there be a shitload of compaction damage all throughout the ships piping / ducting? Seems like taking all of that apart and putting it all back together would cost more than the ship is worth nowadays. The answer is "yes" but it might be bad enough that it has to be repaired. Ships were a lot more resilient back in the day as you pointed out.
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LingcodKilla posted:Well dont have a depository of before and after images but this a good read on the one ships battle damage and repairs. Phanatic posted:More here: 
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ManMythLegend posted:The answer is "yes" but it might be bad enough that it has to be repaired. Ships were a lot more resilient back in the day as you pointed out. Nah, pretty much the opposite. Ships back then were built before we understood how shock damage works and how to build to mitigate it. Granted, modern ships have systems that might be more innately susceptible to damage (Iowas didn't need chillwater pipes to keep their combat systems operational, for example; if you don't need it you don't need to worry about it breaking), but modern ships are strong in ways that WWII ships just weren't. Examples abound of ships taking enormous amounts of damage and not only not sinking, but being able to stay on station performing duties. USS Princeton set off a mine in the Persian Gulf, the explosion of that mine set off a second mine nearby, and the two converging shockwaves basically picked her up and shook her around; the bow and the stern were each gyrating in three dimensions but with no axis in common. There weren't two parallel lines anywhere on the ship anymore. They had the AEGIS and forward launcher back up in 15 minutes and stayed on station, able to perform air defense, for another 30 hours. And she's still in service. The Samuel B Roberts is another example, she hit a mine that blasted a 15' hole in her bottom and broke her keel:  Here's the USS Thach SINKEX. 4 Harpoons, a few Hellfires, at least one Standard, a Mk 84 2000-lb bomb, a GBU-12 500-lb bomb, and a Mk48 to finish her off. Granted, there's nothing flammable or explosive on board, but there's also no damage control of any kind and even after the torpedo hit she took 12 hours to go down. Modern ships are tough as hell. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzn5L-82GdE Phanatic fucked around with this message at 04:33 on Dec 19, 2017 |
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Phanatic posted:Here's the USS Thach SINKEX. 4 Harpoons, a few Hellfires, at least one Standard, a Mk 84 2000-lb bomb, a GBU-12 500-lb bomb, and a Mk48 to finish her off. Granted, there's nothing flammable or explosive on board, but there's also no damage control of any kind and even after the torpedo hit she took 12 hours to go down. Modern ships are tough as hell. As a note to casual observers of our nautical thread the Mk48's always have to go last in any SINKEX since theres nothing that floats that can withstand one. Maybe a Carrier could, doubtful it would take more than two.
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There's always the Bridgeton if you want to use a 400k+ dwt tanker as a minesweeper. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridgeton_incident
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I was just about to mention a ULCC as an example of something that could take an ADCAP or two and live. Just by virtue of being loving enormous. But definitely not much else.
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They’re also compartmentalized five way to Sunday, have longitudinal strengthening, and are essentially gas-tight. It’s really hard to sink a tanker, compared to say, a bulk carrier.
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FrozenVent posted:They’re also compartmentalized five way to Sunday, have longitudinal strengthening, and are essentially gas-tight. It’s really hard to sink a tanker, compared to say, a bulk carrier. Keep everyone working for 15 hours a day, 7 days straight.
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ManMythLegend posted:The best ship handling training I've gotten in the Navy was during what they then called, "High Speed OOD," as part of the LCS pipeline when I was a JG. That class was no loving joke.  Looking back, I wonder if it would be possible to make DDG versions of this and then mandate that everyone has to pass the final as the OOD with a 3 man watchteam. Or at least something like that would have helped when I was dumb as gently caress and showed up to a ship not knowing anything and everyone told me about how good that is because "if you were a pilot you would still be in training right now!"
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M_Gargantua posted:As a note to casual observers of our nautical thread the Mk48's always have to go last in any SINKEX since theres nothing that floats that can withstand one. Maybe a Carrier could, doubtful it would take more than two. I know what you're talking about, but it's more fun if you imagine this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mk_48_machine_gun
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:I know what you're talking about, but it's more fun if you imagine this: Isn't that just a slight redesign of the M240B, which is also made by FN?
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It's a relative of the 249. It's also light enough to easily hip-fire one-handed and look like a badass and/or retard.
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Yeah a Mk48 can be snapshot with surprising accuracy.
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M_Gargantua posted:Yeah a Mk48 can be snapshot with surprising accuracy. If the TMOW is awake.
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Just talked to a guy I know who is on a destroyer about the work hours, he told he about getting like three one hour naps per night and nothing else for months, with a crew of hundreds. As a merchant mariner it is just all super alien to me, you can run a thousand foot ultradeepwater drillship 24/7 such that everyone gets 12 hours of rest a day with half the crew I mean I know a destroyer is more complicated than a box full of boxes like I'm used to these days but gently caress man those schedules can't be good for not getting run over
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We aren't that smart as a force
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shovelbum posted:Just talked to a guy I know who is on a destroyer about the work hours, he told he about getting like three one hour naps per night and nothing else for months, with a crew of hundreds. As a merchant mariner it is just all super alien to me, you can run a thousand foot ultradeepwater drillship 24/7 such that everyone gets 12 hours of rest a day with half the crew I mean I know a destroyer is more complicated than a box full of boxes like I'm used to these days but gently caress man those schedules can't be good for not getting run over Yeah that's pretty much how the Navy works. Noone on a Navy ship is anywhere near as smart or capable as even an able bodied seaman on a merchant marine vessel, so they bury the problem with a shitload of sleepless bodies.
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orange juche posted:Yeah that's pretty much how the Navy works. Noone on a Navy ship is anywhere near as smart or capable as even an able bodied seaman on a merchant marine vessel, so they bury the problem with a shitload of sleepless bodies. They were probably Einsteins before they didn't sleep for years if they can stay upright and so much as mash random buttons tho
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The Navy way to do things is #1 send more bodies and if that does not work #2 have more bodies there longer
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ded posted:The Navy way to do things is #1 send more bodies and if that does not work #2 have more bodies there longer Send more fatbodies to the problem now. New navadmin stops separations for PFA failures. They are getting pretty desperate if they are keeping the formerly persecuted fatties now.
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Laranzu posted:Send more fatbodies to the problem now. New navadmin stops separations for PFA failures. Has this jumped from rumor to reality?
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