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Disney is going to release a new Star Wars movie every year for the rest of our lives.
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Dec 20, 2017 08:11
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To be honest, I don't really hate that. I really love the look of the ship interiors. I think that's why I liked Rogue One so much.
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Dec 20, 2017 08:12
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NoNotTheMindProbe posted:Disney is going to release a new Star Wars movie every year for the rest of our lives. That's not true, by 2025 or so they'll be up to two per year.
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Dec 20, 2017 08:39
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Marvel vs. Jedi: Force War is gonna be good.
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Dec 20, 2017 08:43
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Bip Roberts posted:Marvel vs. Jedi: Force War is gonna be good. Am I the only one who would be totally okay with that happening so long as it was canonically isolated from the rest of the franchise?
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Dec 20, 2017 08:44
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LividLiquid posted:Yes, and it's way easier to find lots of little people than lots of people who are seven feet tall. Yo the NBA was around in 1983 which means Larry loving Bird could have been a motherfucking Wookie holy poo poo
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Dec 20, 2017 08:59
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Tender Bender posted:Snoke's evil was rejected. It didn't result in Kylo's transformation into a hero, but it absolutely was a rejection of who he was and what he did. It was partly opportunistic but partly to save Rey. Kylo is a complex character and he means what he says to her. Killing your own master because you think you know better is the Sith way. Palpatine embraced that nature and actually encourages Luke to kill him or Vader - if Luke succumbed in either way, Palpatine would've found a way into his heart and mind, either taking him as a new student or possessing him metaphorically.
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Dec 20, 2017 09:09
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BardoTheConsumer posted:Am I the only one who would be totally okay with that happening so long as it was canonically isolated from the rest of the franchise? gently caress yeah, Japan does that kinda poo poo all the time. Give us some non-canon spinoffs. Throw in Tag & Bink and Skippy the Jedi droid while you're at it.
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Dec 20, 2017 09:21
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BardoTheConsumer posted:Am I the only one who would be totally okay with that happening so long as it was canonically isolated from the rest of the franchise? I'm game, with all of the bloat that the Marvel stuff has with characters in every film (Infinity War looks like each character will have about 30 seconds of screen time and still make the 2 hour mark), they should just start crossovers and go balls out.
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Dec 20, 2017 09:57
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fatherboxx posted:Killing your own master because you think you know better is the Sith way. Palpatine embraced that nature and actually encourages Luke to kill him or Vader - if Luke succumbed in either way, Palpatine would've found a way into his heart and mind, either taking him as a new student or possessing him metaphorically. Luke did succumb. But Vader saved both of them.
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Dec 20, 2017 13:51
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euphronius posted:Luke did succumb. But Vader saved both of them. It seems a lot of people missed this. Luke was never a pure, virtuous, perfect Jedi. He fell to the dark side after Vader threatened to find Leia in the Emperor's throne room, then basically gave up and was going to let himself be killed until Anakin was redeemed and sacrificed himself to save him. He also repeatedly pissed on what Yoda and Obi-wan advised him to do, because he was always focused on the future instead of the present, and instead of calculating how his present actions could affect the future, he relied on his visions of what was to come. That was still his flaw between RotJ and TFA apparently, because it's exactly why he tries to kill Ben, and in so doing, turns Ben to the dark side. A flawless hero is a lovely, uninteresting character. I don't understand why so many people act like Luke's flaws ruin his character.
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Dec 20, 2017 14:08
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He's literally wearing all black in Rotj. Except he has a white t shirt that is exposed when he is microwaved by Sidious. It owns.
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Dec 20, 2017 14:10
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Youd think maybe Ghost Luke and Kylo are going to have a chat about WHAT REALLY HAPPENED at the end of ROTJ. Episode 9 being Hamlet in space would own. Kylo mistakenly stabs Hux while being tormented by ghost Luke.
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Dec 20, 2017 14:12
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fatherboxx posted:Killing your own master because you think you know better is the Sith way. Palpatine embraced that nature and actually encourages Luke to kill him or Vader - if Luke succumbed in either way, Palpatine would've found a way into his heart and mind, either taking him as a new student or possessing him metaphorically. It was a rejection of the sith. Kylo tells us this. Just because a sith killed his master, once, offscreen, doesn't mean any time a Sith kills his master it's part of the Sith plan. And no, Palpatine absolutely did not have any intention of being killed by Luke. He's lying to Luke because he wants him to try to kill in anger. We see this when Vader stops Luke's blow, as Palpatine knew he would, and Palpatine cackles with glee. He was 100% planning on making it out of there, he was just trying to figure out which of the other two would come with him. Tender Bender fucked around with this message at 14:32 on Dec 20, 2017 |
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Dec 20, 2017 14:15
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I pretty much understood the Emperor's ambitions in ROTJ were to trade up from clunky old burnt up Darth Vader to sexy new prettyboy Luke. Vader's tragedy is that he only realises at the last minute that the Emperor no longer has the hots for him.
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Dec 20, 2017 14:19
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PT6A posted:It seems a lot of people missed this. Luke was never a pure, virtuous, perfect Jedi. He fell to the dark side after Vader threatened to find Leia in the Emperor's throne room, then basically gave up and was going to let himself be killed until Anakin was redeemed and sacrificed himself to save him. Disagree on that last point, he doesn't give up at the end, he's victorious. Throwing away his lightsaber is him stepping back from the brink and defeating the emperor. "You've failed, your highness. I am a Jedi, like my father before me." Maybe just being pedantic but I think giving up undersells what he did. Incidentally as a kid I misread that whole fight for a long time, I thought Luke won by being badass and using his emotions to defeat Vader 
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Dec 20, 2017 14:28
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I love that Finn and Rose saved the weird rabbit horses but left the child slaves on the casino planet. What a loving stupid movie. And no before you say it no I don't want the kids to go on the doomed rebel flagship but come the gently caress on. Rose's dumb rear end is so happy to free a bunch of dumb animals but doesn't give a poo poo about those slaves other than giving them a loving cereal box decoder ring SunAndSpring fucked around with this message at 14:45 on Dec 20, 2017 |
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Dec 20, 2017 14:39
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BardoTheConsumer posted:Am I the only one who would be totally okay with that happening so long as it was canonically isolated from the rest of the franchise?
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Dec 20, 2017 14:55
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Angry Salami posted:Alright, something that bugs me now the more I think about it: The only thing I'd adjust here is the idea that it's Luke confronting the Emperor that brings down the Empire. Wedge and Lando and Luke's friends are the ones that destroy the Death Star but the biggest blow to the Empire was the death of the Emperor and his apprentice. I like just treating the movies as what's real and true but that becomes even clearer in whatever series of books you want to pick, whether it's the EU or the new canon of novels. I don't think you need them to see what's going on, though. SunAndSpring posted:I love that Finn and Rose saved the weird rabbit horses but left the child slaves on the casino planet. What a loving stupid movie. They're basically on a suicide mission. I don't see why they would want to bring the kids with them. They aren't going to the Rebel ship, they're going to the FO flagship. tadashi fucked around with this message at 15:13 on Dec 20, 2017 |
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Dec 20, 2017 15:11
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Tender Bender posted:I really feel like TLJ's overall plot and Finn especially suffer from Poe's presence. This script had to have been started well after the decision to keep him alive through TFA but he still feels shoehorned in, and it explains why he gets the big rebel leadership conflict while Finn gets totally sidelined on a private adventure to mostly relive his TFA arc. Probably, but Johnson has said the script was turned in before TFA was finished shooting.
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Dec 20, 2017 15:20
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For what it's worth, here was the timeline for the initial production as listed in the TLJ art book, along with the starts of TFA and RO's production.
Third draft of TLJ was turned in right before TFA came out. Final draft done a month and a half later.
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Dec 20, 2017 15:28
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Mr. Flunchy posted:I thought pretty much the same. It was shocking, awe-inspiring and perfectly cinematically executed. It had a huge emotional wallop. My thoughts on the hyperspace thing - -It's unpredictable as hell -in the shot pieces of the mon cal cruiser go flying all over the place. - The first order /empire etc has wayyyyy too many ships for that to be a remotely viable tactic -Even the hugest capital ship did relatively little damage, it's not like it blew up the other ship. - It's a freaking ocean battle analogue, much like the rest of Star Wars. The Empire managed to collide three star destroyers trying to chase the Falcon, this isn't hard sci-fi and anyone who thinks the OT's logic was any better is delusional.
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Dec 20, 2017 15:40
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It just kinda sucks that Poe, Rose, Finn, and frankly Rey have no real influence on anything that happens in this entire movie.
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Dec 20, 2017 15:49
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kidkissinger posted:It just kinda sucks that Poe, Rose, Finn, and frankly Rey have no real influence on anything that happens in this entire movie. uh, Poe, Rose and Finn gently caress everything up with disastrous consequences. Their actions affect the whole back half of the movie.
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Dec 20, 2017 15:51
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Tender Bender posted:Disagree on that last point, he doesn't give up at the end, he's victorious. Throwing away his lightsaber is him stepping back from the brink and defeating the emperor. "You've failed, your highness. I am a Jedi, like my father before me." Yeah, I can see that. The Emperor fails because he doesn't turn Luke, but Luke knows the only way to avoid the dark side is by embracing his own sacrifice, knowing that his friends will win the battle outside without him. In that sense, his choice makes the Emperor lose, but it doesn't defeat him; only Vader does. His actions are noble, but he is still flawed, and his inability to defeat the darkness within him except through refusing to fight and accepting his own death is the lens through which he views Ben's possible fall. The fact that we can have this conversation shows that a flawed hero is a much stronger, more interesting character than a perfect hero. I'm glad they didn't shy away from letting heroes gently caress up bad in this movie.
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Dec 20, 2017 15:53
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kidkissinger posted:It just kinda sucks that Don't talk about ESB like that!
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Dec 20, 2017 15:54
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kidkissinger posted:It just kinda sucks that Poe, Rose, Finn, and frankly Rey have no real influence on anything that happens in this entire movie. Everything would have played out completely differently without them, especially Rey. If Rey had somehow died before ever arriving on Ach-To then Luke would still be a hermit waiting to die, Kylo would never have confronted Snoke, and the Resistance would all be buried under a pile of rocks.
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Dec 20, 2017 15:56
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Who gets arrested for a parking violation? The cops in Space Monaco are dicks and are clearly the ones morally culpable for the deaths of hundreds of members of the resistance.
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Dec 20, 2017 16:14
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Mr. Flunchy posted:uh, Poe, Rose and Finn gently caress everything up with disastrous consequences. Their actions affect the whole back half of the movie. Rey is also a huge catalyst
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Dec 20, 2017 16:22
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Goreld posted:- It's a freaking ocean battle analogue, much like the rest of Star Wars. The Empire managed to collide three star destroyers trying to chase the Falcon, this isn't hard sci-fi and anyone who thinks the OT's logic was any better is delusional. This is a terrible argument, not because it is wrong, but because the only people who are on the other side of it are people who think "space = science fiction." Then they get mad because they don't want to hear the difference between hard science fiction, light science fiction, and fantasy that happens to be in space.
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Dec 20, 2017 16:47
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HAs anybody said EAT THE PORG, CHEWIE yet?
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Dec 20, 2017 16:50
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Chewie, Eat the Porg
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Dec 20, 2017 16:51
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OWLS! posted:Chewie, Eat the Porg Don't just look at it. Eat it.
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Dec 20, 2017 16:52
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BriteNite posted:Who gets arrested for a parking violation? Poor people who somehow walk into an oligarchs' den.
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Dec 20, 2017 16:58
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Is Finn gonna hook up with Rose or Rey?
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Dec 20, 2017 17:02
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Taco Duck posted:Is Finn gonna hook up with Rose or Rey? Mara Jade.
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Dec 20, 2017 17:02
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Food/nourishment is a kind of mini-motif for scenes on Ach To, between the milk, fish spearing and Porg-eating In a way it reminds me of Rey's magic bread kind of stealing the show a bit during her intro in TFA
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Dec 20, 2017 17:06
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Taco Duck posted:Is Finn gonna hook up with Rose or Rey? Poe 
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Dec 20, 2017 17:09
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In episode IX, Luke's ghost turns into a sith ghost after he finds out that the reason why the resistance is so small is because everyone is gay and no one has any kids.
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Dec 20, 2017 17:12
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I mean Luke Skywalker apparently died a lonely virgin so he'd probably be okay with that. Gonna be kinda funny when Kylo Ren dies and the Skywalker line is permanently scourged from the universe.
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